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making real friends... fail!

Started by confused, June 09, 2010, 04:42:50 AM

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confused

i actually like being alone , taking input rather than output, laughing rather than making others laugh , maybe it's kinda selfish , but i can't do it otherwise unless i become someone i'm not..

i have a considerable number of friends outside the internet , but , their not friends with ME , they're friends with whatever persona i created to actually be able to have friends , that's why i'm avoiding them maybe

i wish to know what's wrong with me , i wish someone was straight with me and tells me 'here's what's wrong with you' right at my face
am i really socially retarded or something? is there such thing? , why people are capable of having fun talking with each other and i can't
pleh , it's even stupid to post something like this , but just maybe , someone would , idk , say something that would help
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Cindy

Hi eNTROPY

I think this is rather common among the TG community. As teens many of us did not develop the social queues that our gender types do. In my case I did not pick up the 'girl' skills of making friends with other girls. So I find it very difficult now making girl friends to chat and talk with. I was classed as male but I didn't identify as male so I really wasn't interested in male bonding stuff, so I have no male friends. On that side as well I think I may be safe in saying many MtF are not used to having boy friends and have trouble picking up the vibes of who wants to chat and date and who wants to get into sex ASAP. OK wrong there, they all want to get into sex ASAP :laugh:

Now a days I'm presenting better and making friends much easier. I think being happy with ones ID also helps. I'm no longer living a lie full time.

JMO

Cindy
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no_id

I don't often talk about my own experiences in my replies to threads, but for once I think it might be useful.

I used to be in your spot; an einselgänger by choice and whenever I socialised with people in the real world I felt like I put forward a persona that wasn't completely me; just a superficial representation. At some point it really got me confused with who I was.

Nevertheless, as I continued socialising the more I became 'me' which wasn't that einselgänger persona or that superficial representation - the latter was simply a base to build from and become who I was. Over time I then realised that the einselgänger who chose not to socialise was someone who was self centered, arrogant and in a way narcisistic because they thought the world didn't have a place for them/wasn't big enough for their persona.

To socialise is not to expect the world to adept to you, but to adept to the world in an honest way. There will always be people you won't like and there will always be people who won't like you, but one way or the other you will always be able to give something to someone else and vice versa. What you receive is what allows you to grow and become who you are.
Tara: The one time in my life I thought I was happy, I was a f**kin zombie.

True Blood S3E2
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spacial

I don't socialise. I've always been uncomfortable is social siutations. I don't know what to say and feel uncomfortable when saying anything.

What was worse, when I was younger and thought I had made a connection with someone, socially, they generally gave me the brush off.

There is nothing wrong with you. There is no rule that we must all socialise.

You live accoding to basic human decency. Avoid dishonesty and conflict. Eventually you find your place in society.

Your question, what is wrong with me, I wish someone would just say it, rings a very familiar note.

There is nothing wrong with you. You are you.

Cindy points out that we have social problems. The years between being children and adults, when we learn how to socialise, most people are concerned with appearing normal. Being different means not being part of the group.

My wife is an interesting case. She has no close friends either. But a huge circle of casual friends, many of whom regularly invite her to dinner, to wander around shops and such. Yet all of these contacts have been built up of many years. I am pretty certain, all of her contacts really like her. She is very likable. Yet, to their oter friends, I dare say they would imply they are acting out of kindness. Certainly, they rarely ever invite her to be with their social group.

Also, if she was in real trouble, I wouldn't like to think she would need to rely on them.

But she takes each of them as they are, as she does with most people. She doesn't expect more than they are likely to give. She generally accepts when they let her down.

At the end of the day, it's about you building your own life. Making your own arrangements.

Quite frankly, people like us, people who were born like us, need to stand on our own two feet.
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lightvi

Ya! I thought I had issues too but I've come to realize I'm just not a very social person :laugh:
People really drain me and if I'm around them too long it's like a guaranteed headache *cringe* and the annoying kind, the kind that's dull and gets worse and worse unless you go to sleep or take excedrin.
Sure I have social anxiety which fuels the fire a bit but I'm very introverted. I have my moments though, sometimes I'll want to hang out or do something with a friend but they are a very inclusive group. If I consider you a friend I would take a bullet for you!
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Cindy

One point I'll raise. I and many others have made very happy and very important friendships here. Indeed I count on several people here to be my closest friends to whom I not only share my intimate thoughts but also have given them my contact numbers and they have given theirs to me. I trust my friends totally. They have supported me when no one else will, and I hope I have given the same in return.
I have friendships here that I think we are all dieing to find ways to physically meet each other. First time in my life I have had friends who I not only respect but also love. Never ever knew you could love people as friends and just 'chill out' with people you like to talk to.

But then I don't see them as odd, even if I am :laugh:

Cindy BTW Hugs and Kisses to my friends  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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justmeinoz

As the others have said here, there is nothing wrong with not being overly sociaable. Some people need lots of friends around them, some don't.

Places like Susan's can be the modern equivalent of the village pub, with the advantage that your friends can be anywhere in the world, giving you a wider range of opinions to consider.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Dryad

I don't have too many friends, but the friends I do have.. Well; I know they like me because I'm socially strange. I tend to be simple, non-judgemental and down to earth while also looking at things from other perspectives. Some people think I'm weird enough to avoid, and other people like the weirdness. I don't have any friendships 'based on gender,' so to speak.. Male, female, other.. It's all the same, to me. Basically, I have friends because my friends know they can be themselves, and not be judged for it. (Unless being themselves is directly hurtful or judgemental to other people.)
I also have friends from all walks of life, regardless of financial success, education, spiritual views, (non)criminal lifestyles/environments...

I think it's because I'm socially strange that I have friends.
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confused

i do have this variance in friends types like dyard said , but it's way more complicated , i don't even want to go through explaining because it would take much effort , but bottom line is it's not 'really me' that they are friends with ,and that makes me like , one dimensional person for each ,or like no_id said ..superficial persona ,and i don't enjoy it or feel i have real friends or....
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QuoteAt some point it really got me confused with who I was.

i found out though that in cases when i'm overly happy/sad/angry... i act like myself regardless ,and these personas seem to merge with the real me or just fade away and then , only then , that i'm comfortable being around friends

i remember this being an issue with me since i can remember (or at least since puberty) that i've been trying and failing , and having to create these 'faces' which goes with what cindy said
anyway , making friends -->still fail , but i just got back now from a day out with friends , and i did have a good time since i was in one of my many extreme emotional states mentioned above , but as i was coming home , i figured that it's really me that don't want to let anyone close , that's it . i get close to people if they let me , but i never let anyone get close to me ,that's my problem , plus the persona thing , plus that i'm kind of 'fast mood changing person' and i can't say anything that doesn't go with my mode unless it sounds superficial/stupid (like IF i try to say i joke when i'm in no happy mode it's really very stupid/silly )
thanks for helping me analyze this everyone
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