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Relationship help (not sure where to put this)

Started by Sarra, November 18, 2006, 06:17:20 PM

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Sarra

Okay, some of the people who frequent #chat are familiar with the situation of my previous relationship, which ended. For those of you not active in #chat or who never see me active there due to when I'm active, here's a quick rundown.

My girlfriend was living in the same area as I, Southern Oregon. We were together for about 4 months, and then in early summer, decided to return home to live with her parents and little brother. She's 21. She was going to school here, but dropped out because she was becoming increasingly emotional. specifically, depressed.

Her little brother wound up in the hospital, in a psyche unit. About a month after that, a family friend and her little brother (the friend and her brother were living together, as her brother is going through something horrible, caused by their mother) were spending time with her, and realized that she was... Well, not doing well. They took her to the hospital, and she was admitted to the psyche unit.

Two friends and I drove the 400 miles from Southern Oregon to Vancouver, WA, and visited her. She was a complete mess. she was released after a week, and started a 2 week outpatient program at the hospital. 2 weeks into the program, she started getting worse, they asked her to attend an extra week. she wsa planning on coming back to live with me and the two friends that I mentioned after her outpatient program ended.

2 days after they asked her to spend an extra week in the program, she got suicidal. She had been diagnosed with PTSD. she started having flashbacks, and wound up in the hospital again. While she was in the ER holding room, she tried to kill herself. She then spent another week in another psyche unit, in Salem. She was diagnosed the day before she went to the ER the second time as having Disossocitive Identity Disorder.

After being released, she was okay for about 4 days, then took a fatal amount of tylenol and alcohol. she lived, after going ot the ER. She spent another week in the psyche unit, and was discharged.

Somewhere between her first and second visit to the psyche units, we were talking, and i had done some research. She had told me she would have to remain in vancouver for 6 months to a year for treatment. I went online, and found that the recovery time for her would be 3 + years, most probably more than 5 years.

Her mother abused her as a child, which is what damaged her personality. she immediatly moved out, and in with her brother and family friend, and all three are living in Vancouver, her parents living in Portland area.

A few days after doing research on DID, I started to break down. She didn't want me to get an apartment for the two of us locally, because she wouldn't be moving here for 5+ years. She didn't want me to move up to Vancouver, for her own reasons. She needs space from me, or she will associate me with some of her flashbacks, and that wouldn't be good for either of us.

It's been a few weeks since she was in the hospital last. I don't know what to do, I can't stop thinking about her. I feel helpless, all I can do is talk to her on the phone.

we've talked about meeting, going on a short vacation together, or completely cutting eachother off. I don't know what would be beneficial for her. That's the forefront of my mind. She's trying to get me to move out of state, to live with a friend in Minnesota, where there are actual support groups for TS people. She was all I had, my future. She was stable, supportive, and mostly happy before she went back to Portland.

On top of this, some of my problems are coming more and more into the light. She is the one who initiated our relationship, not me. I didn't actually want to be her girlfriend, I didn't want to be anything more than friends. But, it felt good to have someone who cared about me, who wasn't as repulsed by my body as I am. I always felt that was a mistake. Now, I've talked to her about this a little, and I realized that I really don't want another relationship. Any relationship I'm involved in will turn out to be a huge mess, and a painful parting for me, her, or both of us. I want to remain my ex girlfriend's friend as long as I can, to do anything to help, but there's really not much I can do. She's going to live in Vancouver long term, and she stated she doesn't want me to live there just to be close to her.

Does anyone know if it would help us, as friends, to have contact from time to time, or to just cut eachother off for a while? There are benefits and downsides to both, risks and possible gains. What should I do?
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Chaunte

Sarra,

Do you have a counselor of your own?

WHat you have described is a very dynamic and stressful situation.  I strongly urge you to seek and find a professional therapist to help you work this out. 

We'll be happy to hold your hand at the therapist.  However, in my opinion, you need a professional to help you sort out your feelings.

Peace,

Chaunte
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Sarra

I do have a therapist. However, I'm working on a letter for HRT, and when my exgirlfriend was in the hospital the second time, I was in a psyche unit here as well. I've got other things going on in my life, and my therapist isn't exactly putting this issue at #1 right now. Nor am I.

this is so complicated, her issues are wound together with mine in such a complex way. It's confusing, and too complicated. Maybe I should make a flow chart?
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cindianna_jones

Every time you get on an airliner, you get the safety drill.  Parents are advised to take care of themselves first if the oxygen masks are dropped.  Why?  A sudden loss of cabin pressure will render you a vegetable in a few short seconds.  You'll actuallly save you and your child if you take care of yourself first.  If you save the kid, you may not be able to save yourself.  In fact, both of you are likely to suffer the effects of low air pressure.

Sara dear, the oxygen masks have just dropped on you.

Cindi
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Sarra

It's not as cut and dried as that. That analogy just doesn't work for the situation.

I could go off and do my own thing, find a place that's supportive of me and my problems, but... the area where she's currently living would do the same thing for me, and be closer to here, where i'm currently living. It would actually be less of a risk because if I had to, I could drive to my parent's home within 5 or 6 hours instead of 4 or 5 days. I mean, moving into Vancouver or Portland or even Eugene would make a LOT of sense for me as far as transition goes. I'd also be very close to her, but I don't actually know if she wants to see me. I guess I'm going ot need to talk to her some, maybe have a conversation where my therapist, her, and I talk together.

I've got a lot of thinking to do, but I'll do it after talking to my therapist.
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Refugee

I suppose my perspective is a little different becuase of my line of work...

My old roommate, also a Paramedic, was dating this girl one time.  She would regularly drink too much and then make comments about hurting herself.  Her phone calls to him became free therapy sessions after about a month or two of them dating.  When it got to the point that he stayed up all night with her to make sure she didn't OD on the vallium she'd hidden and bragged about he was at his wits end.  He came to me and asked what I thought he should do.

"Do you really want to take your work home with you?" I said.

He broke up with her the next day.  I know you love her, but you need to take care of yourself before you can think about saving her.  As one who's done it, I would also caution you not to confuse loving her for needing someone in your life to care for/safe.  They end up draining you in too many ways and never returning the effort you put into them.
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Sarra

I'm not trying to save her, just be there for her. Be a friend. I don't stay up past my own bedtime for her, we don't spend 9 hours a day on the phone. I don't go out of my way to make sure she's okay. I didn't go visit her when she was in the hospital the third time. I offered, though.

Moving close to her would be more beneficial to me, personally, with my transition, than staying here.
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Refugee

Quote from: Sarra on November 19, 2006, 02:55:55 PM

Moving close to her would be more beneficial to me, personally, with my transition, than staying here.


If that's true, then that's all you need to know.
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Sarra

Well, she has asked me specifically not to move up there, and i'm not really sure why she did.
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Melissa

Hmm, I'm not quite sure what I can say to help.  I live in Vancouver, WA and I'm not sure how or if I could help, but maybe I can.  Let me know if you need me as a friend whose living in the area.
Melissa
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Sarra

Actually, I'm going to have to go from Medford to Portland to get HRT, and having a place to spend the night in the area would be very helpful. :p Other than that, it would be nice to get together with another TG for a few hours, or something. Maybe we could drag my friend out and take her someplace fun, that's one thing that I can do to help her, I think.
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Robyn

Quote from: Sarra on November 19, 2006, 04:01:38 PM
Well, she has asked me specifically not to move up there, and i'm not really sure why she did.
She may be trying to save you, Sarra.  She may recognize that your being nearby might hurt you.

I think that's one of the reasons my ex wouldn't come west with me, besides her own fear, she knew that she might try to kill me again.  I count that an act of love.

Robyn
When we walk to the edge of all the light we have and take the step into the darkness of the unknown, we must believe that one of two things will happen. There will be something solid for us to stand on or we will be taught to fly. — Patrick Overton
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Sarra

I understand that, very well. But, after talking to my best friend and her boyfriend about this very same thing last night, she thinks that it would hurt both of us to part ways completely. She thinks it is hurting both of us being apart, distance wise. She thinks it would be better for both of us if we at least have some personal contact, and honestly, I agree. But this isn't entirely my decision, if she doesn't want me near her, I can move to Minneapolis with a friend, and then I really would be cutoff from her, probably permanently.
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Refugee

Quote from: Sarra on November 19, 2006, 09:19:46 PM
I understand that, very well. But, after talking to my best friend and her boyfriend about this very same thing last night, she thinks that it would hurt both of us to part ways completely. She thinks it is hurting both of us being apart, distance wise. She thinks it would be better for both of us if we at least have some personal contact, and honestly, I agree. But this isn't entirely my decision, if she doesn't want me near her, I can move to Minneapolis with a friend, and then I really would be cutoff from her, probably permanently.

I had quite the stormy relatinship with my former roommate, for many different reasons.  We live about an hour apart now, still see each other regularly, and get along much better.  Truth is, when I let him just be himself and have the space he was always complaining I never gave him, I like him much better.
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Sarra

I understand that. But, we haven't seen eachother once after she got released from the hospital the first time, and there are many issues both of us need to resolve.
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