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Does my friend have the wrong idea here?

Started by kyle_lawrence, July 24, 2010, 12:36:32 PM

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kyle_lawrence

So as I've mentioned before, my gay male best friend has been dating a trans guy for a couple months. (They are so in love and disgustingly cute, it makes me want to throw up a little, but that's not the point...)

So the other day I go to their place, and A (the cis male) tosses me a book on the female orgasm, saying he found it on B's bookshelf.  He's like, "I may be dating a boy, but he does still have female genetalia, so I might as well read up on it."

I didn't really comment on it, but It kind of got me thinking.  How would you guys react to your partner reading a book like this?  Would it make you more uncomfortable or affect your dysphoria in a negative way?  Does my friend have the wrong idea in reading this book to learn how to please his boyfriend, or is he inadvertantly thinking of him as female?

I know its totally not my place to be asking about there sex life, and have no intention of mentioning the book again, but something about the whole conversation made me think "Hmmm, this whole thing seems a little off."

I know for me personally, I would be uncomfortable with it. I'm generally not comfortable with other people touching me below the waist anyway though, and that connection to female terms would not be ok for me.
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Shang

I think I'd be fine with it because I do have female genitalia and it would show me that he (or she) is concerned about my pleasure as well as their own.  It shows thoughtfulness to me.

Your friend should talk to his boyfriend, though, on what his boyfriend would prefer because that's also a good thing to know.
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ForWantOf

I think I have to agree with Shang on this one.
I'm not sure if he would be inadvertently thinking of his boyfriend as female, I think we can all agree here that genitalia is not the one standing definition of someone's gender.

I actually think it's pretty nice of him to read up on how to pleasure his boyfriend, if anything, I think it's a great sign of respect and showing he's not afraid to go to any extent for his boyfriend, even if it's learning something new!
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Squirrel698

I agree with the other two posters.  In a sexual relationship everyone's pleasure is equally important.  On account of him being a gay male he probably doesn't have to much experience with female parts.  It shows that he really cares that he is making an effort to learn.  Good for him!  Can I have one?  lol

Genitals do not make the gender but they do produce the orgasms.  Orgasms for the win! 
"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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Osiris

Quote from: Squirrel698 on July 24, 2010, 02:32:19 PM
I agree with the other two posters.  In a sexual relationship everyone's pleasure is equally important.  On account of him being a gay male he probably doesn't have to much experience with female parts.  It shows that he really cares that he is making an effort to learn.  Good for him!  Can I have one?  lol

Genitals do not make the gender but they do produce the orgasms.  Orgasms for the win! 
Well said, and most definitely agreed. :D
अगणित रूप अनुप अपारा | निर्गुण सांगुन स्वरप तुम्हारा || नहिं कछु भेद वेद अस भासत | भक्तन से नहिं अन्तर रखत
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Nimetön

I would also read such a book.  If I am in such an intimate relationship with someone, a decent respect for, and value of, their pleasure and happiness motivates a certain degree of discipline and study on my part, and I would expect the same degree of commitment from them.

Every part of your body exists.

- N
While it is entirely possible that your enemy entertains some irrational prejudice against you, for which you bear no responsibility... have you entertained the possibility that you are wrong?
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Squirrel698

I see what you are saying Kvall.  I suppose I am just assuming that communication about sexual needs doesn't start and end at that book.  The two need to talk together about what they want and what pleases them.  Could go further when they talk about turn-ons and kinks and so on.  No book is going to describe exactly what each person wants regardless of anything else.

It's just a good stepping off point and will hopefully lead to further discussion about what everyone wants and how to get them there. 
"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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Arch

I don't know. Trans male anatomy and trans male wants and desires could vary so much from the book that such research is not all that useful. If I had a boyfriend who knew very little about female anatomy and decided to read up, I might appreciate the thought but hope that he intends to find out most information by doing and, as needed, asking. Then again, I might think, "What the frack are you reading that for? I'm not a girl, and you're not going to learn as much as you would learn from ME." And learning by doing is so much more fun.

A case in point: My ex knew very much indeed about my pre-HRT anatomy and how it responded. But coming out freed me up psychologically and physically, and he became increasingly uncomfortable with my pre-HRT wants and desires. Then, when I actually started HRT, I changed even more--quite radically--and our sex life went to hell. My parts didn't respond the way they used to, and he didn't know how to work with my new anatomy. My sex drive increased. I became even more uninhibited (except about my chest) and sexually aggressive. I was no longer willing to have sex without an orgasm (pre-T, I had an orgasm about fifty percent of the time). In short, without all that poisonous E governing my system, I was trying to have sex the way men have sex together.

I don't want to get more explicit because this isn't the sexuality forum, but let's just say that the last two items led him to feel slighted or inadequate or SOMEthing (he wouldn't talk to me about it), and he refused to continue. If he had been "going by the book," which in a way he was, his information would have been sadly deficient.

My story is only anecdotal, of course, but I'm wondering how useful a book will be. I hope the boyfriend isn't expecting his lover to automatically respond the way the book says he will. The boyfriend can get a basic grounding in pre-HRT anatomy but might be better off learning the rest through experience. And there would probably be less risk of both hidden assumptions and offending his lover. (Badly put, but I'm in a hurry today.)
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Turtle

Quote from: Squirrel698 on July 24, 2010, 03:12:01 PM
It's just a good stepping off point and will hopefully lead to further discussion about what everyone wants and how to get them there.
Any relationship worth its salt will involve communication - I can't imagine this guy is going to waltz into the bedroom with his book under his arm, without consulting his boyfriend on the subject! Good for him for trying - personally, I love it if my partner tries to find new ways to make me wriggle, and if this guy gets it wrong, I hope they're in a sufficiently loving relationship to talk about it, and do a bit of practical exploring to sort things out.
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kyle_lawrence

Arch and Kvall, you guys pretty much summed up my concerns better than I was able to explain earlier.  I do also agree that It is a very sweet gesture, and I'm sure it will help open up some conversation about what B really wants.

B has been on T for 4-5 years, and has had top surgery and a Hysterectomy, so I would be surprised if anything in the book applied to him anymore. I also know that B has dated women in the past, so for all I know the book could have been from an ex, and intended to apply to her.

Seriously though, I know its none of my business what they do in the bedroom together, so I'm not going to bring it up with A. Just made me curious what other people thought.  I do wish however that I had pointed out how much T can change genetalia and that B probably doesn't want his junk treated the way a cis woman would. 
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Alessandro

Actually I am kind of jealous.  I won't let anyone anywhere near me in that way, even though I am with someone that I love a lot.  For me, sex isn't really about orgasms, though I know it should be and it sucks that it isn't!  Anyway I think its really nice that this guy is willing to go there and I am sure it isn't a slight on his transman boyfriend. 
"You can't look where you're going if you don't know where you're going"
-Labyrinth
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Elijah3291

I think it is thoughtful of him to think about his partners sexual happiness.. and if this trans guy doesn't want that particular kind of stimulation, then at least he is trying to learn.

it doesn't sound at all like he thinks of his boyfriend as female.. he just understands that he has female parts.. and being gay, he doesn't know much about it and just wants to please him.

My boyfriend has only ever dated women, so he knows what he is doing, and I don't mind him pleasuring me in that way because it feels good and it is the parts I have so I need to make due with what I've got.

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zombiesarepeaceful

I would personally rip it out of their hands and burn it. The only people I'm remotely comfortable with having them seeing or touching me below the waist is other transguys. And even then I might flip out. I don't acknowledge that my junk isn't a normal dick so if they did I'd freak out. Sure maybe they don't deal with their junk the same as I do but...eh. It would depend on how close I was to them if they were a trans man. If they were cisgendered there'd be no question. I'd freak out.
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rexgsd

i agree with zombies :/
i really dont need to be reminded what i am missing down there and what i have instead.
☥fiat justitia ruat coelum☥

"Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. Its a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world." - The Kinks

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Hurtfulsplash

Quote from: rexgsd on July 26, 2010, 08:31:02 PM
i really dont need to be reminded what i am missing down there and what i have instead.

Agreed!
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