Susan's Place Logo

News:

According to Google Analytics 25,259,719 users made visits accounting for 140,758,117 Pageviews since December 2006

Main Menu

How do you cope waiting for SRS?

Started by deviousxen, August 04, 2010, 03:00:14 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

deviousxen

When it can be many years a way in terms of being covered, affordability, or additional time after the date is set, even?

What do I do? I keep hearing that 4 years, and then it might be covered by healthcare... And the second that thought penetrates my mind... That I have to wait even LONGER... Especially that long... I instantly question whether or not I can survive that long. Its this intense pain right now, thats sickening me. Its in my chest where my anxiety takes itself out physically, its behind my eyes because the second I remember how long, I'm in the state right before crying.

How can you possibly survive this when even more of your life has gone by? How do I survive unscathed? I feel like this is breaking me and I can't think of a single way to dull it or make it stop. I can't function with it ... At all... Its like having uranium duct taped to your body... Its poisoning me and destroying my life. What do you do with that? I severely doubt anyone will know at 4 in the morning, but I can't sleep. This is ruining me and my mom blames the lack of sleep on me...


WTF do I do?
  •  

Colleen Ireland

Kara, I feel your pain.  My heart goes out to you.  But, please realize you are young, and time is very much on your side.  Yes, it seems like forever.  Well, look at the personal text under my avatar to the left.  I'm just waking up after a ~30 year slumber.  And no, it doesn't feel good.  But.  I can say (because BTDT), that suicide is NOT the answer, and that you CAN go on living, and you CAN do things to overcome the pain.  Are you on hormones?  Are you living full-time as a woman?  I would think that'd be a start (I'm still pre-pre-pre, at 54, so I have a LONG way to go).  Look around you - notice the beauty in the world!  Listen to good music, look at great art - it will inspire you.  Find some thing you can do that requires all your concentration, and do that thing a lot.  You can do this!  Hugs to you, girl...

  •  

spacial

Kara

I really hope you don't mind more input from an old, past it. But may I suggest you work on your mental atitude?

What I'm talking about is to think yourself female.

I knew a young girl who had a rather obvious, bright red scar on her chest which she got when very young. She had to wait till she was fully grown before they would do anything about it. Not sure of the specifics. She just had to deal with it.

You have some physical problems which will, hopefully be dealt with in time.

Until then, and I'm really sorry, because this sounds so very blunt, but you are just going to have to deal with it.

Is it easy. Hell no.

But it's all you can do.
  •  

Jillary Woolen Xσx

Hi Miss Kara :)
I'm At the The place you're at right now :(
My Everyday life is spent hating my Physical body and Waiting for Surgery to "fall in My Lap" so to say.
I'm Sick to death of having this tumor. Not a second goes by where I can't feel it there and because of this everything i say or do has to be worked around it.
Mental attitude has a lot to do with it, but i refuse to accept something that shouldn't be there.

People tell me all the time that I "Pass" and shouldn't have to feel this block from happiness because no one would know i was born male.

i don't give a rats ass what "they" think. I KNOW. and whether I "pass" or not there is a deformity attached to my body telling me otherwise

What helps for me Is having a beautiful relationship with my soul. for the time being i keep my physical body in a sleep and imagine myself as my soul. it might sound crazy but it helps a lot.
Its hard to go through what any of us are going through but please stay strong. it will only make it that much better in the end :)
I am Here for you if ever you need an ear Sister
Jocelyn XOX
xσX                                                                Xσx

  •  

deviousxen

Quote from: JocelynFreiky on August 04, 2010, 10:44:36 AM
Hi Miss Kara :)
I'm At the The place you're at right now :(
My Everyday life is spent hating my Physical body and Waiting for Surgery to "fall in My Lap" so to say.
I'm Sick to death of having this tumor. Not a second goes by where I can't feel it there and because of this everything i say or do has to be worked around it.
Mental attitude has a lot to do with it, but i refuse to accept something that shouldn't be there.

People tell me all the time that I "Pass" and shouldn't have to feel this block from happiness because no one would know i was born male.

i don't give a rats ass what "they" think. I KNOW. and whether I "pass" or not there is a deformity attached to my body telling me otherwise

What helps for me Is having a beautiful relationship with my soul. for the time being i keep my physical body in a sleep and imagine myself as my soul. it might sound crazy but it helps a lot.
Its hard to go through what any of us are going through but please stay strong. it will only make it that much better in the end :)
I am Here for you if ever you need an ear Sister
Jocelyn XOX

Well A. Thats exactly how I am. I can't use it the way people want me to. All of my friends prod me, telling me to accept the, "Giant Clit," And as much as the thing has changed, it is most certainly not a giant clit. I know my sexual drive and nerve endings totally changed but here's a little thought... How do I know even that aspect of me is fully female? How do I know that it will ever be? I am not a GG so the logical conclusion is that, no... I will never know what it is like to feel "Right"

and then B. I don't feel like I have a soul. I'm not going all emo, or Trent Reznor on you, I mean... I just don't. My friend does energy working sometimes and I try it sometimes just to not feel so soulless and when I do I cannot get the distinct, vivid image of a vacuum out of my mind, or the sensation of leeching off of everything in a vampiric, sickening way. Other problem is that if I had a soul, it wouldn't be singular... It might be a spectrum, or an onion skinned object, or maybe I'm just bait on a giant anglerfish. These thoughts get to me a lot. Like... I feel like I'm a sock puppet, and that I'm not even a human... I'm just some appendage for some interdimensional monster or something. Persona problems too. I am so selfless that I absorb other peoples persona. I'll act just like someone else for a day, cause its like my brain took in the data of their essence and who they are, and I'll realize who I was wearing at the end of the day. Like a spacesuit made out of someone elses personality and "Soul". Upon finding out what I was acting like, I instantly get freaked out by it.

Dysphoria...

I'm not talking about conscious thoughts as much... I'm talking about that kind of dysphoria which feels like dissonance incarnate. Like feeling so disconnected from your body that you don't feel alive and don't belong here. Its not all conscious thoughts, its usually this subconscious pain and vertigo. Vertigo is the best way to describe this, actually. Like whenever it acts up during ANYTHING remotely sexual, I start to disconnect from my body and my mind goes catatonic. I've tried dealing with it and waiting, and I do on a daily basis... But when I think of that many years, when every moment of this kind of pain feels like an infinity, what I'm saying is that I'm not sure I will be able to handle that. I don't think I can stay sane. I feel like I am losing my mind. I disassociate from stuff thats traumatic and it makes stuff hard to deal with. I barely remember the last few years of my life. Every couple of days some kind of horribly repressed memory floats back up to the surface, and I get confused because I legitimately do not remember it. I'm not like going violent skitzoid but I don't know how long my sanity can last. I'm not directly afraid of suicide (although I admittedly sometimes get this hunger or urge to leave this place... Like its prison or something), I'm more afraid of totally losing my mind. Therapists never know what to tell me. My thought processes are usually so confusing to them they just sit there, as if I'm an entertaining movie about someone. I can't sleep, I get panic attacks that cause physical pain, and I really disconnect from things sometimes. I feel like a ghost. I can't go outside. My family is either ashamed of me or I'm absolutely nothing like a SINGLE one of them. I'm the weirdest person in my entire family line, and they'd truly do way better without me and my burden. I'm so uncomfortable seeing old pictures of me on the fridge that I take them off whenever I see them put back up... So then I feel like I might as well not exist cause my brothers all over the fridge... His prom picture, his friend and him, him and our family, my mom... And I see this fridge every single day, while stuck in this house. I see a mother and son and extended family and I identify with it so little that I feel like a monster. Its like I seriously do not belong in the slightest, and its hard... Especially when everyone blames it on you, calls you lazy cause you can't find work immediately... Relatives finally tried reconnecting with me, and first thing they do is try to guilt trip me... The lady from the gastric empty test you missed cause your greedy insurance wouldn't cover it, calling every single day about the bill. The phone ringing off the hook cause my mom practically stalks me. So its either ringing, or the same 120 gigabytes of music that feels totally spent, or deafening silence. I don't know how the hell I came from them... Its like some alien disguised himself as my dad and got my mom pregnant with me. Its not just that I'm depressed... I feel like I've outgrown this reality. Thats how ANY suicidal thoughts I get manifest, but I never actually think about the method of doing so.. I don't think of knives or overdosing, cause those scare me. Nothing. And my dysphoria isn't just constant badness. It gets worse and more vivid every year. People are saying to, "Learn to deal with it," And I sure as hell would love a class in which I can learn that...
  •  

Izumi

Quote from: Kara-Xen on August 04, 2010, 10:47:37 AM
Well A. Thats exactly how I am. I can't use it the way people want me to. All of my friends prod me, telling me to accept the, "Giant Clit," And as much as the thing has changed, it is most certainly not a giant clit. I know my sexual drive and nerve endings totally changed but here's a little thought... How do I know even that aspect of me is fully female? How do I know that it will ever be? I am not a GG so the logical conclusion is that, no... I will never know what it is like to feel "Right"

and then B. I don't feel like I have a soul. I'm not going all emo, or Trent Reznor on you, I mean... I just don't. My friend does energy working sometimes and I try it sometimes just to not feel so soulless and when I do I cannot get the distinct, vivid image of a vacuum out of my mind, or the sensation of leeching off of everything in a vampiric, sickening way. Other problem is that if I had a soul, it wouldn't be singular... It might be a spectrum, or an onion skinned object, or maybe I'm just bait on a giant anglerfish. These thoughts get to me a lot. Like... I feel like I'm a sock puppet, and that I'm not even a human... I'm just some appendage for some interdimensional monster or something. Persona problems too. I am so selfless that I absorb other peoples persona. I'll act just like someone else for a day, cause its like my brain took in the data of their essence and who they are, and I'll realize who I was wearing at the end of the day. Like a spacesuit made out of someone elses personality and "Soul". Upon finding out what I was acting like, I instantly get freaked out by it.

Dysphoria...

I'm not talking about conscious thoughts as much... I'm talking about that kind of dysphoria which feels like dissonance incarnate. Like feeling so disconnected from your body that you don't feel alive and don't belong here. Its not all conscious thoughts, its usually this subconscious pain and vertigo. Vertigo is the best way to describe this, actually. Like whenever it acts up during ANYTHING remotely sexual, I start to disconnect from my body and my mind goes catatonic. I've tried dealing with it and waiting, and I do on a daily basis... But when I think of that many years, when every moment of this kind of pain feels like an infinity, what I'm saying is that I'm not sure I will be able to handle that. I don't think I can stay sane. I feel like I am losing my mind. I disassociate from stuff thats traumatic and it makes stuff hard to deal with. I barely remember the last few years of my life. Every couple of days some kind of horribly repressed memory floats back up to the surface, and I get confused because I legitimately do not remember it. I'm not like going violent skitzoid but I don't know how long my sanity can last. I'm not directly afraid of suicide (although I admittedly sometimes get this hunger or urge to leave this place... Like its prison or something), I'm more afraid of totally losing my mind. Therapists never know what to tell me. My thought processes are usually so confusing to them they just sit there, as if I'm an entertaining movie about someone. I can't sleep, I get panic attacks that cause physical pain, and I really disconnect from things sometimes. I feel like a ghost. I can't go outside. My family is either ashamed of me or I'm absolutely nothing like a SINGLE one of them. I'm the weirdest person in my entire family line, and they'd truly do way better without me and my burden. I'm so uncomfortable seeing old pictures of me on the fridge that I take them off whenever I see them put back up... So then I feel like I might as well not exist cause my brothers all over the fridge... His prom picture, his friend and him, him and our family, my mom... And I see this fridge every single day, while stuck in this house. I see a mother and son and extended family and I identify with it so little that I feel like a monster. Its like I seriously do not belong in the slightest, and its hard... Especially when everyone blames it on you, calls you lazy cause you can't find work immediately... Relatives finally tried reconnecting with me, and first thing they do is try to guilt trip me... The lady from the gastric empty test you missed cause your greedy insurance wouldn't cover it, calling every single day about the bill. The phone ringing off the hook cause my mom practically stalks me. So its either ringing, or the same 120 gigabytes of music that feels totally spent, or deafening silence. I don't know how the hell I came from them... Its like some alien disguised himself as my dad and got my mom pregnant with me. Its not just that I'm depressed... I feel like I've outgrown this reality. Thats how ANY suicidal thoughts I get manifest, but I never actually think about the method of doing so.. I don't think of knives or overdosing, cause those scare me. Nothing. And my dysphoria isn't just constant badness. It gets worse and more vivid every year. People are saying to, "Learn to deal with it," And I sure as hell would love a class in which I can learn that...

Kara, i was just like you, maybe even worse.  I was a total loser as a guy, i wanted to die, felt disconnected from my body, didnt care about anyone or anything because the world didnt make much sense, the only thing that rang through my little head was being a woman, it wouldnt go away no matter how many years, until it came to a choice, life or death.  I thought about it a lot, a worthless person like me, should maybe just die, but then a glimmer of hope in all the questions and confusions, all i thought was, if i am going to die, its going to be at least trying to live and if I choose life, i would pursue it 100% and not half assed, because in the end if i failed it wouldnt be for lack of trying and i could die knowing i did everything i could.  I am not going to lie to you, transition is hard, the hardest thing you will ever do you whole entire life, there have been times where i was swamped with bills and  no job, how would i afford the next HRT shot, etc... but i never gave up, sure i cried about it, thought why me, everyone does... you just have to believe and have hope that everything will work out in the end.

Let me tell you of my life now.

I am a total success as a woman, i have a good career, for a time i lost my family, but got them back (after they gave me a chance to explain everything), doubled my friends, and even got engaged to a man that didnt know i was TS, and even after i told him, to him i was so much the woman he loved that he didnt care.  Now my life is bliss, i am happy for the first time, i live as a woman everyday, and even though i am pre-op and waiting for my surgery next year, i am still happy.  Sure i get frustrated, especially everytime i have to take a shower or for lack of certain intimacy with my fiance, but I have experienced so much joy it overshadows it and makes waiting bare-able, to think, i came so close to ending my life and never feeling this happiness.

Transition takes a lot of you, i too feel disconnected like you, its a pain living pre-op because there is so much you still cannot do and you have anxiety (especially at the beach) that accidents might happen, but remember this, death might seem like an out, but its a great unknown, it might be better or it might be even worse, you got a 50/50 shot if you kill yourself, one of the reasons i decided to try at life rather then gamble with death is the fact here I know the odds better, I know what to expect, and what the world will throw at me, you have no idea whats waiting after death... and that to me was a little more scary since i didnt want to feel MORE pain then i was already feeling.  The good thing is, once you transition, as a person your stronger, you gained lots of good traits along the way that will help you in life.  My advice to you is stop sitting around the house and moping about how crappy your life is and go out and enjoy the fact that you are a woman, and no matter what people do, they cannot take that away from you, you can only take it away from yourself.  If you dont have money get a job, if 1 isnt enough get 2 or 3 or however many you need to get your transition done and your SRS finished.  It will also have the benefit of keeping you busy so you dont think about being pre-op as much.  Give it 100% and you will get your surgery.  So you want to cope, get out and work your ass off for your goal, you wont have time to think about feeling depressed.

^_^b good luck.
  •  

lilacwoman

Kara-Xen  send me your address and I'll send you $10 to open a bank account for your srs.
This is a genuine offer.
Then stop for a moment to remember you are in the US of A which is a service based economy so think of what part-time jobs you could do - slinging hash/flippin burgers/pumping gas/mowing lawns etc etc and start adding to the ten dollars.
Are there no part time jobs at all in your town?
  •  

Janet_Girl

Kara,

I know how hard it is to deal with this kind of dysphoria.  I have had the same thing.  I am almost two years full time, 28 months HRT.  Everyday I think about GRS.  Everyday it seems yet another girls is going in for hers.  And this tears out my very heart.

I find it very disheartening when I am told that if I want it bad enough I will do whatever it takes.  That is pure BS, because when you can't even get a job to support yourself you can't get the 2nd or 3rd job.

Some girls are lucky.  Good job, family support, boyfriend.  I have to face it, some are just born lucky.  And some are destined to never see that day.

I hope you will one day, Kara.  After all you are younger, you have a long life ahead to get there.

The way avoid those feelings is to block all signatures here, so I don't have to see so and so is 4 days from going in.  I also do not post in threads about some who is there now, except to say "Good luck" and then leave it alone.  I also never look at the "post-op life" or "Sex Reassignment Surgery" section.
  •  

Izumi

Quote from: Janet Lynn on August 04, 2010, 02:08:05 PM
Kara,

I know how hard it is to deal with this kind of dysphoria.  I have had the same thing.  I am almost two years full time, 28 months HRT.  Everyday I think about GRS.  Everyday it seems yet another girls is going in for hers.  And this tears out my very heart.

I find it very disheartening when I am told that if I want it bad enough I will do whatever it takes.  That is pure BS, because when you can't even get a job to support yourself you can't get the 2nd or 3rd job.

Some girls are lucky.  Good job, family support, boyfriend.  I have to face it, some are just born lucky.  And some are destined to never see that day.

I hope you will one day, Kara.  After all you are younger, you have a long life ahead to get there.

The way avoid those feelings is to block all signatures here, so I don't have to see so and so is 4 days from going in.  I also do not post in threads about some who is there now, except to say "Good luck" and then leave it alone.  I also never look at the "post-op life" or "Sex Reassignment Surgery" section.

People who believe in luck are doomed to failure, you have no faith in your own strength, which is sad.  I wasnt lucky, i worked my ass off for everything i got.  The only thing that held me back was not having the courage to do it sooner, luck is just a crutch people use when they dont give it there all and want an excuse.  I was down to my last dollar more times then i can remember, and getting a job had nothing to do with luck as much as not giving up after one rejection after another.  I tried for over 6 months to find work as my savings dwindled, and tried hard, even if i was homeless i wouldnt stop.  I took jobs just to survive anything to pay the bills, i didnt care, i did what I had to.  None of these things were lucky, they were just necessary and yes i worked 2 or 3 low paying jobs before i found a good one.   It isnt hard to find work, people are looking, but if are just waiting for luck to hand you that perfect job.... well, then thats just an excuse.

As for family and friends and all that stuff, well that has nothing to do with luck either it has do with who you are as a person that brings people closer to you.  When i a was a depressed loser i barely made an effort few people invited me to anything and i didnt really give a damn about them, i mean why should I, i didnt even give a damn about me.  However, once i was happier, i made friends without trying, not because i transitioned or was a woman, because i was pleasant to be around and have around.  Friends, family, all these things are within your control and have nothing to do with luck.  My parents disowned me, and thanks to me not giving up on them and slowly overtime them getting a bigger picture I am once again back into the family. 

Look i dont mean to sound mean or anything, but any behavior that condones just saying yeah, things are the way the they are and you cant do anything about it is just false... people have advantages sure, you can call that luck, but more people are given advantages and do absolutely nothing with them, and that is just a shame.  We live in a world of advantages, 100 years from now we would probably be beaten in killed, but now everything is open, all we have to do is grab on to it and not let go... dont sit around hoping, do everything you can, and you may just get what you always wished for...
  •  

deviousxen

This is just a general response. I'll make a better one later. So I'll reply again, soon.


Uhm... I'm not making up excuses. Please don't say that. I have untreated anxiety because it is hard to find a psychiatrist who will give me the meds that I know work for me, and it is not my fault people abuse them and make me look bad. Everyone is different. Everyone needs different meds, risks or not. I have tried every single other kind of pill and they only shut me down in some way. Certain anxiety meds made me able to walk places without caring about what people thought and more productive... I'm not working right now because I have panic attacks that are so bad they cause chest pain and I can barely leave my house... So... please, don't insinuate that I'm lazy. Its really not as easy as people think it is, in terms of just changing my thought-process. When I need relief, I need relief.

I worked my ass off to get into art school, and I work my ass off every single day trying to conquer my head, until I am exhausted. People are different. Not everything is a crutch or sign of weakness. I'll respond to this later... There are a lot of things. I have been on HRT, and I am fulltime, believe it or not. I got my name changed. I'm trying my best. I went to two semesters of art school as a girl even though I got sirred every single day in class. Just... Give me a while and I'll respond. I'm trying to be productive right now cause the anxiety isn't acting up as much... Be back later.
  •  

Janet_Girl

The only excuse I have is no one is hiring here.  I apply every week to just about anything, but when you live in a state that has 10% unemployment there is a lot of competition for work.

And it get tough each year.  You may not ever see it but there is disadvantages to being older.  Age discrimination.  No excuse just fact.

And please don't accuse me of making excuses.  Some have more advantages than others.  I have seen it time and time again, over the last 50 years.
  •  

Izumi

Quote from: Kara-Xen on August 04, 2010, 03:00:42 PM
This is just a general response. I'll make a better one later. So I'll reply again, soon.


Uhm... I'm not making up excuses. Please don't say that. I have untreated anxiety because it is hard to find a psychiatrist who will give me the meds that I know work for me, and it is not my fault people abuse them and make me look bad. Everyone is different. Everyone needs different meds, risks or not. I have tried every single other kind of pill and they only shut me down in some way. Certain anxiety meds made me able to walk places without caring about what people thought and more productive... I'm not working right now because I have panic attacks that are so bad they cause chest pain and I can barely leave my house... So... please, don't insinuate that I'm lazy. Its really not as easy as people think it is, in terms of just changing my thought-process. When I need relief, I need relief.

I worked my ass off to get into art school, and I work my ass off every single day trying to conquer my head, until I am exhausted. People are different. Not everything is a crutch or sign of weakness. I'll respond to this later... There are a lot of things. I have been on HRT, and I am fulltime, believe it or not. I got my name changed. I'm trying my best. I went to two semesters of art school as a girl even though I got sirred every single day in class. Just... Give me a while and I'll respond. I'm trying to be productive right now cause the anxiety isn't acting up as much... Be back later.

Wasnt insinuating your not trying hard enough, and if you have a condition outside GID like clinical anxiety, Bipolar, etc... then no amount of trying is going to help fix a chemical imbalance, you need to take meds to help you cope, but just like HRT for me i was rejected 3 times before i got a doctor to give me some, just keep looking, or even got a community clinic, and if its a clinical diagnosis then if you live in the US you can sign up for disability payments.  If you have something in addition to GID then your life is going to be lot harder, however my point was not to point out that people are lazy or dont try hard enough, its just they give up to easily when they fail, and then they come up stories of why everyone else around them caused the failure, whether you see yourself as a winner or loser is really up to you.  Everyone has bad times and good times, we have to make choices in our lives that we may regret. 

Think about this.  Close your eyes and see yourself in a pile of smelly rotting garbage.  It stinks, it doesnt feel good on your skin, its a place you dont really want to be.  Now think of yourself in a lush meadow, flowers, cool breezes, the warmth of the sun on you, the crisp fresh air, its peaceful, laughter can be heard in the distance.  See, its easy to make yourself feel better, when we are all doom and gloom we put ourselves in the pile of garbage, we dont have to be in there if we dont want to be, but since that depression doom and gloom is familiar we have gotten accustomed to it... we need to get out of that place and on to a better place, see how just imagining it made you feel differently? well, thats all it takes.  People bother you, you can choose to do a few things about it, #1) tell someone in authority, #2) ignore it, #3) feel bad about it.  People growing up and being made fun of, we all live with that, i wasnt part of the in crowd even before my transition, i got my share of name calling and hassle, just put yourself in a place mentally you want to be and i will help you cope.  Imagine what your ideal life would be like.... use that everytime you feel bad and make yourself feel just that little bit better take steps everyday to move forward toward your goal, something as simple as for example exercising to get the body you always wanted for transition.  If you cant find a job working outside your home, get one working inside, there are plenty of jobs that pay minimum wage or more doing things from home that arent scams, look and you will find them.

Post Merge: August 04, 2010, 02:43:00 PM

Quote from: Janet Lynn on August 04, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
The only excuse I have is no one is hiring here.  I apply every week to just about anything, but when you live in a state that has 10% unemployment there is a lot of competition for work.

And it get tough each year.  You may not ever see it but there is disadvantages to being older.  Age discrimination.  No excuse just fact.

And please don't accuse me of making excuses.  Some have more advantages than others.  I have seen it time and time again, over the last 50 years.

Why limit yourself to work in one geographical area, if you cant find work where your at you can find work in other states, there is the internet which makes job searches world wide a reality.  You are probably looking for your ideal job, am I right?  I have a full IT degree, but i worked as a paper pusher and general administrative assistant, i even worked at walmart when i had to, and even cleaning as a maid service.  Have you tried for those jobs? or you too proud for that kind of work?  If the lifestyle you lead requires a job that you cannot get its time to adjust how you live, i have done it many times, but i have found as long as i have work i can live no matter what and comfortably i might add.  The employment situation here isnt any better and things are 3 times more expensive to make things worse.  I dont know about you but paying 6-8 dollars for a gallon of milk is common here. 

"The only excuse I have is no one is hiring here."  see, even if you dont believe it you have already grasped the notion with that statement that you will fail even if you try~ There is no positive anything in that statement, only doom and gloom.  Its the system or its employers or its job discrimination, you know it might be, but not everyone is like that, and blatant discrimination is punishable if discovered. No one has faith in themselves anymore, people quit so easily now and have a defeatist attitude.  You know i must have gone through 30 or 40 interviews in the 6 months it took me to find my current job.  rejection after rejection... it only takes one to change your whole outlook on life.

As for age discrimination, it depends on the industry, for example my dad age 50 at the time was thinking of moving to where i live so on his vacation he shopped around, when they found out he had 30+ years experience in the industry they were begging him to come work for them, they offered 2x the salary and benefits like you wouldn't believe, he turned it down, he didnt feel like moving, and the cost of living would have been higher so he decided to stay where he was comfortable.  So yeah some places its good to be young, some its good to be old, depends on the industry. 
  •  

Rock_chick

I'm writing a novel...if it's as good as people tell me it is it may very well pay for my surgery. If it isn't there's always overtime.

I know I'm impatient and it doesn't help, but being in my late 20's and knowing that I could have faced up to this years ago I just want it to be done. I get down because it all seems so far off, but on the flip side, I still get excited about how far i've come in just a few short months, so I guess things balance out.
  •  

Janet_Girl

QuoteWhy limit yourself to work in one geographical area, if you cant find work where your at you can find work in other states

And you don't think that I haven't tried that?  In my industry, retail, NO ONE is hiring.  Walmart, Target, Fred Meyers, Costco, Lowes, Home Depot.   Even the gas stations are not hiring.

It is a Fracking Recession.  You're fortunate to have a job.  So that makes it easy for you to say the things you are.   

Whatever.  I am done arguing a mute point.

Why do try to be supportive instead for finding fault.
  •  

Izumi

Quote from: Janet Lynn on August 04, 2010, 05:16:58 PM
And you don't think that I haven't tried that?  In my industry, retail, NO ONE is hiring.  Walmart, Target, Fred Meyers, Costco, Lowes, Home Depot.   Even the gas stations are not hiring.

It is a Fracking Recession.  You're fortunate to have a job.  So that makes it easy for you to say the things you are.   

Whatever.  I am done arguing a mute point.

Why do try to be supportive instead for finding fault.

I find it hard to believe that no one is hiring, i looked at craigs list alone for today and saw 23 job opportunities for my area for the retail field, heh, maybe you should move here, good weather all year round and nice beaches, then i went and looked at other areas including the cities in the state that has the highest employment and i found anywhere from 4-30, and thats just for today, if i looked back to previous days the list was even longer.  So you cant tell me there are no jobs, why would employers put they want employees then? why not try other options like temp agencies that dont charge a fee, etc..

Sometimes tough love is what is needed.  I had been coddled by my parents, they bailed me out of lot when i was growing up and i kept failing until my parents said, no more... figure it out yourself, sure i was pissed off, but in the end that was the best thing that happened to me, because could stand on my own feet and made me a stronger person and in turn lead to me having the courage to transition.  So yeah sometimes you got to roll up your sleeves and deal with it, that's not to say i am uncaring about the situation, i just think thats the best way for you to get out of it is to have a positive outlook and always strive to succeed no matter how much pressure the world puts on you, in the end you will be stronger person.   Just think the world cant stop me, and i will make it no matter what.  Isnt that being supportive? 
  •  

rejennyrated

If I may interject momentarily here, I think the slight gap in understanding here is that once one gets past 50 jobs do become more difficult to come by irrespective of ones gender history.

Most of my career has been postop. I have never been unemployed as such, but recently, having graduated with my MA and turned 50 almost simultaneously I notice that the wind is blowing from a chillier quarter when I am looking for a suitable position. It's quite difficult to persuade an organisation to take on a 50 year old newly graduated publishing assistant when they could have a 25 year old whom they perceive as potentially more biddable and possibly more energetic.

I'm finding that I am simply not getting interviews for positions that I am probably better qualified for than most of the competition except in the area of age... And of course as I have been postop almost all my adult life I know that gender history has nothing to do with it. It is purely age. So I am having to take steps to try and disguise that, but it isn't easy when your dates of education are back in the 1960s and 1970's - it makes things rather obvious.  ::)

So I think maybe that both of you are slightly passing like steam trains in the night (ie missing each other) here in that you are arguing from a slightly different perspective. Hopefully when you Izumi, get to this point, employer attitudes will be less ageist. For the moment Janet is correct - once you get past 50 it is genuinely quite difficult. Not impossible, but it can take a LONG time.
  •