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Human Nature and Life Philosophy #1

Started by Tom, July 22, 2010, 02:13:34 AM

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Tom

**NOTE DISCLAIMER: This is my personal philosophy about topics I write in here and is in no way meant to preach nor is it right. I reserve the right to change and or edit this topic and to debate or protect them. This is not against anyone as it is a neutral point of view that even applies to myself.

In my mind and to my knowledge, all humans are selfish. No one and nothing is void of this. However, society within today's standards, and years that have passed and yet to come, have dubbed this word "selfish" to be purely negative. Well this is not so. It is in fact, a neutral term. The theory goes as follows. Everyone does everything to benefit only themselves as the individual. For example, we work to gain money to buy for ourselves, we kill to benefit ourselves in some way, we hurt others by bullying to benefit ourselves in some way and we go through school to gain a "future", etc. But let's look at the other side of it. When we do something to make ourselves feel good, we sometimes help others (in various ways). For example, we jump in front of a gun to save another life, we lend out money, and we do charity work, etc. Even though we made ourselves feel good, as this was the original motive, we still help the other individual(s). You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. It is an endless cycle of both good and bad, therefore making the word "selfish" neutral. As stated previously, this is applied to all of us, even myself. There isn't always a reason for it, it is a fact of life.

But the question here is, does this define human nature? Not at all, maybe a small particle of its great whole, but not at all. This is simply my perspective. Human nature cannot simply be defined by one word, phrase or explanation. It is always changing because we are humans. And because of this, we are "perfect". We humans have the ability to contain an incredible range of emotions and thought processes beyond any other living creature on this Earth. To cry, to love, to be angered in one instance and to laugh in the next. It's what makes all humans both ugly and beautiful. Life is not something that can be only hated or only loved or both in one moment. It is an impractical emotion towards life. Life is as defined per individual and born from human nature. So, human nature should not be hated but enjoyed, despite it all. For without even the "bad", we would not know positivity and would not be who we each are today. I regret nothing in my life. All emotions are both a gift and a curse making it normal to everyone. Though they influence us, we use them to make choices that define us. We are each born into different worlds and lifestyles and so we learn to use our "tools of emotions" differently, making no two people the same. And that's what is even more beautiful: that two completely different thinking people can bear a relationship. This is so because we seek to find the answers within everything, to better understand everything. The range of relationships is awing from mere friendships to soul mates.

And so, the real question is not about human nature, but human. What is the definition of "human"? It cannot be defined by one word, phrase, or explanation. It is an infinite list of definitions because each human is different, forming different human natures. The fact is, it was never about choices, life, people, human nature or the Earth...it's about humans: an entire topic of its own.
なんくるないさ。
Live through today for the sake of tomorrow.
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lisagurl

There are plenty of contradictions and other reasons for being. Survival, beliefs, love, and many other's. There are martyrs, warriors, families, saints etc, that do things for other reasons than emotions. Emotions are controllable as many  monks will testify to. Life and humans are much to complicated to predict unless you believe in the psychology the the Government uses on us especially in education and the media. Needs are for survival, wants and desires are optional.
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Tom

Ahahahaha I'm gonna get into a philosophical debate with you. :)

Oh, well exactly, there are plenty of reasons for an individual to exist and to make a choice. However, there cannot be beliefs without emotions just like love is almost considered an emotion, not a separate "reason". The question here is, where do emotions begin? What defines them as such? When does it become a reason? It is to my understanding that it blurs together and is completely variant to the individual, the environment, the situation, etc. A martyr makes choices based off what he/she feels is right. A warrior is spurred on by experience and their beliefs. A family works as one based off of each individual to work towards the general benefit because its what they need.

Now, what is a need or a desire? This is no simple question. You say "needs are for survival, wants and desires are optional". I challenge otherwise. In a natural environment such as a forest, there exists a balance (for example, the ecosystem) and in this there is survival of the fittest, each species and animal works for only their needs. However, we crossed the line centuries ago when we humans evolved. Our brains, as I have previously stated, are capable of such an incredible and intense range of emotions. So, then, don't certain emotions then become a need? We require a certain balance psychology, completely unlike any other species. It is unhealthy for us not to have love, so then does it become something we need? Though depression is considered bad, we must deal with it to remain "balanced" and healthy. Anger and happiness are both required for us to better understand ourselves and others. However, it is true that there exists individuals and societies that can separate their emotions from logic and reason...but then is their emotional state not considered calm? Because in order to use logic and reason, you must feel something, you cannot remain emotionally blank one hundred percent. If you feel absolutely nothing, then how do you think, what is there to think with? You're frontal lobe consists of emotion and intellect. It is all in one area, so then they must co-exist. Logic and emotion cannot exist without each other. People say that some don't use logic but that isn't true. Those who are said to not use logic or reason are in fact, using it because it is their logic and reason, their emotions. No two people think exactly alike. Society may have standards for logic but that will never dictate the human brain.

Therefore, humans and life are completely unpredictable and we will continue to debate on it because its what we do...we are humans. We debate and discuss to change and shift our ideals, to use our brains. In doing this, we fill in holes of each others understandings. It is an endless debate of various definitions, questions, answers, reasons and logic.
なんくるないさ。
Live through today for the sake of tomorrow.
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lisagurl

QuoteIt is an endless debate of various definitions, questions, answers, reasons and logic.
QuoteLogic is used in most intellectual activities, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, and computer science. Logic examines general forms which arguments may take, which forms are valid, and which are fallacies

Logic is a system, not emotions. Emotions are values that go into rational decisions. Emotions are different than senses. Our senses tell us conditions.

QuoteEmotion is a complex psychological and physiological phenomenon involving an individual's state of mind and how it interacts between that individual and their environment. In humans, emotion fundamentally involves "physiological arousal, expressive behaviors, and conscious experience". Emotion is associated with mood, temperament, personality and disposition, and motivation. The English word 'emotion' is derived from the French word émouvoir. This is based on the Latin emovere, where e- (variant of ex-) means 'out' and movere means 'move'. The related term "motivation" is also derived from the word movere.

Humans can and do override emotions for factual reasons. Such as having fear but knowing to overcome it to defeat the enemy.
Love has many sides one being responsibility regardless of emotional feelings.
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Tom

QuoteLogic is a system, not emotions. Emotions are values that go into rational decisions. Emotions are different than senses. Our senses tell us conditions.
QuoteYou're frontal lobe consists of emotion and intellect. It is all in one area, so then they must co-exist. Logic and emotion cannot exist without each other.

I never said logic was emotion, simply that both exist with each other. Logic and reason are systems, I fully agree. The point was is that we are human therefore, our systems work differently for different reasons such as emotion. There is a lot that dictates our logic, emotions, etc. I know that, it's never just one thing and it isn't so easy. You might think it's one way whereas I'll think it the opposite...which leads us back to the beginning of this debate. I'd also like to disagree in that logic is used in every day life, not just primarily in disciplines that you have listed. But you're statement wherein logic examines the forms you've listed, I can agree with. My point was that I believe, even if you override you're emotions, you will feel something; that some form of emotion, even if it's so small to the point of a negative decimal, it exists within you when using logic or any other activity (for example, extreme calm or clarity).

However, I do agree, there are those who can override their emotions for many reasons, such as (like you said) fear.

QuoteLove has many sides one being responsibility regardless of emotional feelings.

Which is why love is interesting. It has so many ideals, beliefs, even emotions embedded into it. In some cases, it is an emotion. In others, it may even be a system of its own. In my original post, I stated that it (to my belief) has the ability to override our natural system of existence where we are selfish. I will again point out that, in this case, the word selfish is not negative (like society has made it to be) but neutral.

BUT, I noticed you were using quoted definitions. I challenge you to use your own definitions, your own logic, that this philosophical debate demands.
なんくるないさ。
Live through today for the sake of tomorrow.
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lisagurl

QuoteLogic and reason are systems,

No Logic is a mathematical system to tell if an argument is true or fallacy.  Reason is an input to logic that may or may not be factual. Reasons can be emotions.

QuoteThe point was is that we are human therefore, our systems work differently for different reasons such as emotion

Logic is not a human system. Our emotions are different. We do not have to use emotions in logic and emotion is not a very good reason when dealing with facts.

QuoteBUT, I noticed you were using quoted definitions. I challenge you to use your own definitions, your own logic, that this philosophical debate demands.

We  live in a real world with real meanings of words. Makeup is believe and not true. We could not communicate if I made up definitions.
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Pica Pica

Quote from: lisagurl on July 26, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
We  live in a real world with real meanings of words. Makeup is believe and not true. We could not communicate if I made up definitions.

And if you did, you'd be a French philosopher.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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tekla

And if you did, you'd be a French philosopher.

God how I wish you had been in some of my philosophy classes.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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