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Started by tori319, August 03, 2010, 11:16:19 AM

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tori319

I was just reading that Thomas Beatie gave birth to his third child.I wondered how other ftms felt about him and do you feel like he sets ftms back and would any of you be willing after having transitioned to get pregnant.I ask because I don't understand I would never father a child so it just seems odd to me that after hormones anybody would want to reproduce that way.
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Nathan.

I think it's fine if a transman wants to give birth. I do wish that Thomas Beatie didn't go to the media with it though, the whole idea of a transman having a baby is just more confusing to cis people.

I could never be pregnant, I want hysto as soon as possible.
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Karla

I was reading about it too and I think it's confusing to some of us too. I don't think it's Okay after transition, it makes me question this person's identity as a "man". But who am I to judge, maybe there's something I'm missing.

I'm just saying that I can not relate to this individual's choices.

Maybe have a woman have his child for them could be something that I would understand, although never ever do in my own situation.
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Sinnyo

Quote from: Nathan. on August 03, 2010, 11:21:07 AM
I think it's fine if a transman wants to give birth. I do wish that Thomas Beatie didn't go to the media with it though, the whole idea of a transman having a baby is just more confusing to cis people.

Mmm, I wondered about this too when I saw a Channel 4 documentary, The Pregnant Man. Beattie implied that the media attention was pretty hellish at first, having his neighbourhood effectively stalked by cameras, but that it was managing to pay for a pretty good start in his baby's life. It makes sense to me, but is something I could not put myself through in the same circumstances - and you're right in that it confuses matters for everyone else, too. I don't think 'everyone else' should ever really discourage you from something you're passionate about, but it is an inescapable fact. I've had to discourage my parents from closed media's perspectives on trans women.. it seems that sadly, trans men now face the same problem through nobody's fault.

BTW, this is the MtF forum, in case you wonder why there are fewer responses. ;)
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Silver

Don't get it, but he can do what he wants.

I don't know about setting us backwards, perhaps it pushes acceptance back a little but I would hope it helps people understand that not everyone is the same. Perhaps if they knew that many transman (I would guess most) do not become pregnant.
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jmaxley

From what I've heard, the media came to him first, but that could be wrong.  Personally, I wouldn't do it.  Never, ever, ever, ever want to get pregnant. 
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Cowboi

I don't think anything of it, it is his business, and like most people in our society when his personal choices became something out of the norm it drew attention from the media and from other people. This is just an unfortunate fact of the American media. I don't see why it matters, just as much as I don't see why I should care that Tiger Woods cheated or that Chelsea Clinton is getting married. We really need something better to do with our lives than concentrate so much on other people's lives.

I also don't feel it set us back. It may be confusing to some people, it may make some people dislike us, to other people it may have made us seem more normal/human. In a community that promotes acceptance of ALL kinds of people it shocked me to see so many people actually react so negatively to Thomas's choices. We constantly further the reach of our identifying word "transgender" to be an umbrella covering so many different groups of people, yet when one person who actually fits the original definition of the word stepped out of the box society expects us to fit in everybody freaked out. Honestly we have probably set ourselves back more by continuing to change what groups and people are included in our movement than Thomas has or even could being one person.

My only other thought on his particular situation is that his family is amazing and wonderful. I've spoken on the phone with his wife, who took the time to return a phone call from a stranger asking about medical details regarding transmen and pregnancy. At the time I was considering rather or not I would be willing to undergo a pregnancy myself, she was kind, thoughtful, and helpful in every way. In the long run I've chosen not to take that path, but only because I chose not to have children at all, if I wanted children I would once again look into the idea of undergoing the pregnancy myself. Financially it would be the best and most realistic choice, do you have any idea what it costs to pay another person to carry a child? Do you understand the legal implications? What if they change their mind part way through the pregnancy? What keeps that woman from disappearing on you? Those aren't chances I'm willing to take personally.

If that all didn't really flow properly I apologize, I'm very tired but this is an issue I actually have put a lot of thought into personally so I wanted to take the time to respond before I went to bed (mostly because I would have forgotten this existed by tomorrow lol).
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Fencesitter

Quote from: Nathan. on August 03, 2010, 11:21:07 AM
I think it's fine if a transman wants to give birth. I do wish that Thomas Beatie didn't go to the media with it though, the whole idea of a transman having a baby is just more confusing to cis people.

I could never be pregnant, I want hysto as soon as possible.

My words (though I don't want a hysto). I can somehow understand that Beatty wants a child so bad that he accepts getting pregnant. I also understand his motivation for going public or accepting that he was put in public and playing the game. But each time I hear news about the pregnant man and his newest pregnancy in the general press, it makes me feel uncomfortable about coming out to whomever for a couple of weeks. As Beatty is the guy you hear most about when it comes to transmen and his case is not very typical to say the least.
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lilacwoman

i looked at the whole Barbara Walters piece on Beatie on youtube and the whole shebang sounds a bit too weird for me.
maybe it just proves how potent testosterone is and if so we can hold Beatie up and say 'this is what testo does to us' to anyone who doubts if we are female inside the rough old male body.
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