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that ugly four lettered word....

Started by Muffin, August 10, 2010, 09:40:20 AM

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Muffin

I'm talking about the word "trap", "it's a trap!". I've noticed this word and saying has been floating around certain websites and beyond and personally ... I think just like a lot of internet memes it does nothing but promote ignorance while being innocently disguised behind "humour".

I for one don't find it funny... I can see how someone that is immature and narrow-minded could. But the more I see it the more I feel the urge to tell that particular person spreading it just exactly how they are making themselves look like an ignorant cattle-like animal.

This is yet another one of those situations where biting your lip is the only way to avoid drawing attention to ones self. While letting these small minded herd like creatures continue on with their idiotic lives.

What is one really to do? Ignore it and hope the joke gets old? Or contest and educate?
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rejennyrated

??? This word obviously has a modern connotation with which I am unfamiliar... ???

To me it simply means a device set to catch something or someone. However I now have the feeling that in internet speak there is more to it than that.

Anyone care to explain for us oldies... ?
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Muffin

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-a-trap

QuoteA phrase used to describe a situation where someone mistakes a man/transsexual for an attractive woman.
Guy 1: Oh Man.. I'd totally tap that!
Guy 2: Dude..That's a dude...
Guy 1: It's a trap!
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pheonix

Jeez this is an old meme...

this originated on 4chan a while ago.  It's based off of Admiral Ackbar saying "It's a trap".

The relevancy of this meme is pretty low these days since "It's a trap" is being used far broader than transphobic comments..
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Muffin

That's a good idea actually ....instead of assuming it means something in particular. Stop and ask for their understanding of what it means, and if they explain that it's in relation to TG then and only then question them on their knowledge of what they are really saying with it etc. I think I might try this ;)

I shall report back with results!!! (oh it's in relation to me seeing someone with a "trap" avatar on a non-tg website).
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Sinnyo

Ahhh, this rings a bell now - Stephen Fry managed to disappoint we British QI viewers when the panel discussed gender in relation to Thai "ladyboys". The suggestion there was that trans women were out to 'trap' men, but I've only ever seen this sort of talk come up amongst the typical Ibiza/football hooligan crowd.
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pebbles

Quote from: rejennyrated on August 10, 2010, 10:08:24 AM
??? This word obviously has a modern connotation with which I am unfamiliar... ???

To me it simply means a device set to catch something or someone. However I now have the feeling that in internet speak there is more to it than that.

Anyone care to explain for us oldies... ?
The idea is that a passable attractive transwoman "trap" men into effectively wishing to engage in homosexual relations Because they see us as men. regardless of how we look or perceive ourselves.

The tendency is to show a photo of an attractive passable transwoman guys brag about how they would "hit that" and then the reveal is that she's MTF and they all go "OH NO I SAID I WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH A GUY!"

The original meme is from star wars "return of the jedi" The third one the with the space battle above the moon of endor where it appears the Empire seemingly makes a stupid mistake exposing it's new (seemingly non-functional) death star to easy destruction making it an attractive target of course the rebels send there whole fleet of ships in which the empire's fleet reveals itself and has them completely encircled preventing any escape, the death star then as a final surprise activates and starts slaughtering the rebles. Admiral Ackbar of the rebel fleet then shouts much too late "It's a trap!" when nothing really can be done.

The situation in there mind is allegorical.

Quote from: Sinnyo on August 10, 2010, 11:21:17 AMThe suggestion there was that trans women were out to 'trap' men, but I've only ever seen this sort of talk come up amongst the typical Ibiza/football hooligan crowd.
I've heard this before even from some of our own friends (ie louis), They aren't serious it's just that Transsexuals are considered Less than women in the minds of even tolerant people or people to be laughed at. *shrug*
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Sarah Louise

I guess you can "read" whatever you want into a word.

I'm old, I remember when Trap, just meant, Trap something.

Sarah L.
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Zelane

Quoted from TV Tropes:

QuoteThe term "trap" in particular, is the #1, thermonuclear, clear-maximum-safe-radius-and-put-on-your-fallout-gear Berserk Button  for many queer/transsexual people. The idea that a feminine person with a penis is innately deceptive / pathetic / hilarious / generally something to lose your ->-bleeped-<- over holds... A few... Unfortunate Implications for those of us who live it. NASTY ones. (trans panic defense)
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FairyGirl

a trap is also that little "U" shaped piece of pipe under your lavatory that catches your diamond ring (hopefully) when you drop it down the drain. :angel:


Girls rule, boys drool.
If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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Shang

I've got friends who say "trap" or "reverse trap", but it's never been said in a negative way by them from what I can tell.  They do frequent 4chan, though, and that's probably where they picked it up (they've been using the term since I've known them). 

When I first heard the term I had to ask what it meant and they told me and I was like "oh, ok" and didn't think much of it because I know my friends decently and they're pretty nice and open to the trans community and only say the term in a joking manner so I don't get uptight about it. 

Though I still think of mouse traps or something whenever I hear the word.
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Autumn

The admiral ackbar Trap thing originates from Somethingawful, not 4chan... the internet was a funny and obnoxious place long before it ever existed.

I've made out with 3 people who had no idea. One was a guy almost twice my age after hours at a party when I was really drunk, and never returned his email. Two was a guy who is kinda crazy stalkerish and I told to get rid of him a week later, but he was just more excited. And now he's trans. (Friends tell me I gave him the T-Virus. Resident Evil joke, for you un-hip people.)  The third is now my current girlfriend and I told her while we were snogging on the first date. I've been told that I've evolved from Trap to Trapper, and apparently I am the pokemon that brings all the boys and girls to the yard.

From a recent gathering of friends, on a failed food excursion:

'What D&D characters are we?"
"Autumn's the rogue.'
"Is that because I'm an expert at traps?"
"Yes."


It's self deprecating sometimes, but, haters gonna hate and all. Might as well laugh about things that don't ultimately matter. There are far more offensive 'slurs' out there. At least this one is connected to something positive... a) being found attractive b) ->-bleeped-<-ing with straight guys heads, and that never gets old.
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Muffin

By the sounds of it it refers only to pre-op... as the trap side of it is they thought they had a vagina but they actually had a (hidden) penis which is a turn off to them naturally. That side of it makes sense. But it's still a destructive mind virus that would be better to not exist. BUT..... whatca gunna do *sigh*.
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Farm Boy

I frequently say "It's a trap!" (with proper emphasis and facial expression, of course) in everyday conversations, but it's in reference to Admiral Ackbar and my undying love for Star Wars and nothing trans related.  I've actually never heard that phrase in any other context before, and when I see someone using it I smile to myself.  People sometimes decide I'm too big a nerd to be seen with in public, but I've never had anyone get offended.  Nothing to worry about, I'd think.
Started T - Sept. 19, 2012
Top surgery - Jan. 16, 2017
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Muffin

lols..... maybe I'm not too sure.... I think if I get a reply from this person I PMed yesterday I can feel more comfortable about peoples general intentions. *shrugs*. I don't know to me it does seem a strange kind of "joke" when it's kept within the original context. :S
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JessieMH

I use it all the time >.>

If you can't make fun of yourself, you shouldn't make fun of others :p
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Muffin

but but between the lines they suggest that transsexuals are not in anyway a woman but men that are simply out to play with other guys heads. I for one don't feel comfortable encouraging that point of view nor find it in anyway funny :S
Am I missing something?
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Autumn

It's pretty much the fact that suddenly a penis springs off of a hot chick. Trap sprung. It's an unusual thing (most women don't have penises; a lot of young men haven't seen pictures of women with penises, and most people do not see a woman with a penis irl) that causes shock, surprise, and strange questions and reactions (including a lot of "I'd still hit it" from certain guys on any given forum.)

I mean let's face it, if you actually simulate that in real life... get in bed with a guy, he takes your panties off, and out pops a johnson, you did trick him. All of his expectations and desire just suddenly get blasted sideways. Reality is that we're different than regular women and that we must accommodate that (as must our partners.) Post op, obviously, many women decide not to disclose to casual partners... and sometimes not to serious partners, either. All of that is a very murky bog.



Frankly, if you're in your teens/early 20s, "Yeah, uhm, I'm a trap" might be an icebreaker for the trans conversation with an internet-aware guy or girl. The more comfortable and sure you are of presenting yourself to someone, the more confidence you will inspire.


Today a male coworker of mine (father of one, adopted two sisters from a foreign country) asked if my boobs were real now because he remembered I mentioned padding (he misunderstood my pushup bra for stuffing my bra.) Later in the conversation he said that he brought it up because of one of his daughter's breasts growing in and the discomfort she causes him with either a) showing off the nipples through her clothing or b) wearing a padded bra that enhances her size considerably for her age.

Of course, since he asked about my boobs, I just started explaining the difference between pushup bras and regular bras, and how most bras have some degree of lining as a comfortably full shape makes clothes fit better, is more aesthetically pleasing, but also, that that layer of padding protects the breasts from impact injury and elaborated on how often I hurt my boobs back before I got to wear a bra at work.

And explained that my boobs are up to a B, but I wear a C because I have a broad chest and need the wider cup to accommodate the width of my boobs, and that I need a new pushup bra so I fill the cup (which I don't with my non pushup C.) I didn't get the chance to talk about how I'm too big for my B sports bra, and how underwire can actually be more comfortable if you can't get a soft bra to hold them in place.

He took it all in stride. I was trying to make him uncomfortable, but he rolled with it - he's got 3 daughters after all. And maybe I educated him about boobs, 'cause they certainly won't :p

A lot of people here would probably be really offended... perhaps I'm just used to fielding a lot of questions from my coworkers / extended family as they sort of feel like, but ->-bleeped-<-, I'd rather flat out talk about something like that rather than have someone going "pssspspspsp think her's are real? do they really grow boobs?"

I'm never doing this ->-bleeped-<- again at another job, but then I won't have to... I'll have enough stealth to avoid the issue. But I've been here too long to hide it. I'd rather just throw it out there and deal with it than try to downplay it in this scenario. There's also been a surprising amount of people, who when I am outed to, relate how they knew someone who transitioned. Sometimes more than one person. The more that the average person can relate, at least in passing, to people in our situation, the easier it will get for us.
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Muffin

Yeah I don't know if I understood what you were really trying to say... if anything. Kinda wandered off to me.... uummmm...
I guess I don't feel comfortable with the idea of "Hi I'm a trap", being an acceptable form of "coming out" to someone. Is that what you meant?
It makes me think of a court room "he was a trap, I had no Idea, he mislead me to think he was a she... it's not my fault". "sir are you a trap?". "what? ..I don't even....". BAM guilty.

Keyword: mislead. That is the under laying message in "it's a trap". imo.
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LordKAT

This thread is first time I have heard it used in that way. The saying is common and has been since I was a young child, long before any star wars movies.
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