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Who else has to endure a Hater on a daily basis?

Started by GinaDouglas, September 05, 2009, 01:20:03 AM

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GinaDouglas

I live in a duplex, that has a mirror-image duplex facing mine; so it's basically a four apartment mini-complex.  Downstairs and across lives a woman who hates me with a passion, because I'm trans, and who expresses her hatred at every opportunity.

She's a few years older than me, divorced with adult children.  She moved in a little over a year ago.  She may have once been attractive, but has really hagged-out with age.  A big fat-ass, stringy blonde hair, sagging tits.  She has a dog and a black cat.  She only communicates with the dog by yelling at him, and recently went out of town for a week and left the dog alone in the apartment unattended.  She has a son who is in the army, who is the one who rented the apartment; but is never there.  She has a daughter who is an unwed mother of an 8-month old baby, who lives out of state, but recently stayed with her for a month.

She drinks alot, and put up a ton of XMas decorations, though she doesn't go to church and is not Christian in the way she treats people.  She often comes over to drink with the people who live downstairs from me, and I can hear her big mouth spewing profanity and hatred for hours at a time.  Ironically, she hates me because I'm trans, but she has the most masculine gender-presentation of any woman I know, including a large number of bull-dykes.

She has called the police on me three times.  First she claimed my dog was viscious, then accused me of stealing firewood from her yard, and then said I theatened her with a gun.  None of these were true; I don't even own a gun.  The first time, I showed the police my dog's frisbee trophies to prove he was well-trained, and they met him to see how friendly he is.  The second time, I had witnesses over who told the police that they had her call me a "freak" and a "->-bleeped-<-got"; and I told the police that she was harassing me because she hates me for being trans, and that she was using fake police reports as a weapon to harass me.  The third time, the police clearly didn't believe her, asked me a few questions; and then warned her that they would charge her with a hate crime if she kept harassing me.

When she had the daughter and baby with her, when she would see me, she would take the baby in the house, as if seeing me would be harmful to the baby.  I walk my dog at regular times, and she waits for me to come out; and comes out and stares at me, or makes nasty comments.

I know she's jealous that I am so much prettier than she iis.  I know she is a miserably unhappy, lonely person, and I genuinely pity her.  In the past, I argued with her and stood up to her; but the truth is she delights in conflict; so now I just ignore her.

There was a Harvard study of social networks that came out last January, that "Having a happy neighbor who lived next door increased an individual's chance of being happy by thirty-four percent."  I can't help but ponder, how much better might my life be if anybody else lived in that witch's apartment.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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tekla

but has really hagged-out with age.  A big fat-ass, stringy blonde hair, sagging tits.

Apparently your complex has more than one hater in it.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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GinaDouglas

Hey, that's an objective description.  It's not a kindly description, but it's accurate.  And the description reflects her deliberate choices.  She could exercise some and eat less, wash and brush her hair, or wear a bra.  That's just concise writing on my part, and I think you should apologize, Tekla.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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finewine

We all encounter someone who hates us for whatever reason.  I just try to avoid or ignore them, unless they go out of their way to get in ones face and cause conflict.

The problem is that human nature means we tend to mirror the emotions projected at us (which I think relates to tekla's point); we hate those who hate us, we warm to those who warm to us.  Indeed, some rather unhappy love affairs arose because one person simply reflected the otherwise unrequited love that was shone upon them by an admirer :)

All you can try and do is rise above the hate as best as you can and take solace that you're a better person than them.  I realize that emotional responses are not voluntary but, if you consciously make the effort to chill out, eventually it will become autonomic.
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Cindy

I agree with both Tekla and finewine, although I also think I understand where you are coming from. Emotion breeds emotion and emotion has no logic. Obviously you are in a no win situation. I would suggest you try and ignore her, her ugly comments and her responses to you. She may be driven by realising she driving you to a response. Bullies tend to do that. If you just totally ignore her and her family, as in she doesn't exist; it will become very boring for her to keep hasseling you.

I hope it works out. BTW sounds as if you have a really cute doggie, what is it? (love dogs :-*).

Hugs
Cindy
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GinaDouglas

I guess this is an upshot of the situation described in the previous post.  The hater I wrote about stirs up antipathy against me amongst the other neighbors, and sometimes it boils to the surface, particularly when they are drunk.  The man downstairs has repeatedly challenged me to fight him, "to settle this once and for all."  Of course I have abstained from doing so.  Ironically, the man I used to try to be could have wiped the floor with him, and none of that knowledge/experience and little of that strength have dissipated.  But I have negative desire to fight, and to do so would prove their idea that I am just a man who gets off on dressing as a woman.  Nonetheless, emboldened by my seeming cowardice, the man's threats and verbal abuse continue to escalate, to the point where last night, he was screaming at the top of his lungs that he would f**k me up, kill me, teach me a lesson, show me who's boss - for a solid ten minutes, long after I had gone into my apartment, without ever having said a word to him. 

I had been setting up a barbecue, and taken a fireplace ash-shovel to manicure the coals into the yard.  As I was returning to my stairway, with the shovel in hand, he had been glaring at me, and I watched him as I passed, to be prepared to defend myself if necessary.  He had taken this to be threatening him with the spatula-size shovel, and challenging him.  I have to say it reminded me of some naturalist documentary about chimpanzees, where the alpha chimp goes on a rampage because a chimp lower in the social hierarchy was insufficiently deferential.

Below is the email I sent to the Director of the local GayPride Center, with whom I have had a long association:

I figure that it's unlikely anything can be done or gained, but I should check anyway.  In short, my downstairs neighbor has threatened my life three times this summer, with very violent and hateful words, when he was drunk, most recently last night.  I have called the police each time, and each time, this man, his girlfriend, and another neighbor have told the police that I instigated the problem by threatening them.  It's not true.  The truth is that they hate me because I'm trans and are trying to chase me out.  Essentially, I provoke them by my very existence, and when they get drunk, it boils to the surface.

I understand that the police are essentially handcuffed by the cross-complaints, and that the patrolmen are ill-trained to handle this kind of thing.  Their solution is always to threaten to write everybody tickets for harassment, and to threaten to arrest everybody if they get called back.  On the other hand, the police seem to have no interest in getting to the bottom of this either.  For one thing, they don't separate the three and question them individually, to see if their stories match up.  They refuse to question other neighbors about what other neighbors may have seen or heard.  It's like the cops know that the easiest resolution for them is to find a cross-complaint stalemate, and that is what they work towards finding.

I was particularly upset by the officer last night, who reached a point where it was all about him.  He was tired of dealing with this problem, he said.  He was frustrated.  He wanted to leave.  It wasn't about his duty, it was about his feelings.

But the worst thing was his insensitivity and ignorance about trans reality and trans issues.  One thing that I can tell particularly annoys these neighbors is that I lay out in the sun, in the backyard, in a bikini.  They talk about amongst themselves, and make nasty comments, like "I think I'm going to puke."  Evidently, they told the cop that they can see my balls hanging out, and the cop believed them, and warned me against indecent exposure.  I'm sure you know how absurd this is.  The last thing any transwoman wants is for anyone to see something that belies her womanhood.  A cop with any kind of sensitivity training would have known this.  For the cop to give any kind of creedence to this was insulting.  But more, I could tell that he not only believed it, but that he was disgusted by it.  I think you have judged enough drag shows to have some idea of how effective tucking or gaffing is.

Like I said, given the 3 against 1 situation, I doubt anything constructive can be done.  On the other hand, it would be a good thing if something could be done before actual violence occurs.  On the third hand, it is another problem entirely that, when I am victimized by trans-bashing; the cops treat me like a criminal.

It's probably more likely that my experiences can be of some good for the community as part of a collective of similar issues, and that is why I am contacting you.  I don't expect you to be able to do anything for me specifically.  But if you want to discuss this further, or with other parties, let me know.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Samantha_Peterson

I sympathize with you. I know what it's like to be threatened and harassed. I had to deal with that while I was in private schools. Ironically, I don't really recieve threats anymore ever since coming out as trans.

I really hope this situation becomes better for you though.
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Diane Elizabeth

  I didn't read everyone's comments to your dilemma.  But, why not fight back with kindness.  Be nice to her.  How can she stay mad at yoou if you show her human kindness.  Give her a flower (leave it on her doorstep.  Do other things for her if you can.  It doesn't have to be something she sees you do.   She will eventully find out.   After a while she may find out you are a nice person and view trans people differently.  I was told when someone was trying to be mean to me to be nice and smile.  If it doesn't work at least you will win by default.
Having you blanket in the wash is like finding your psychiatrist is gone for the weekend!         Linus "Peanuts"
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Yakshini

It's something I've really had to try dealing with for the past few weeks.
My manfriend's closest friends absolutely can't stand me. Not because I have actually done anything, just because I take his attention away from them and because of who I am.
His best friend is living with him until the middle of September until we have to drive him back to his home across the country. My manfriend hasn't seen his best friend in two years, so I completely respect that they want time for each other. Except I was being told that they needed "alone time", only to find out that "alone time" didn't mean that they would be hanging out solely with each other, his best friend just didn't want me around and used "alone time" as an excuse, and as soon as I was gone, they would immediately find other people to spend time with as well, as long as it wasn't me. His best friend has only known me in the few weeks he has stayed so far, and has decided that he hates me because I am boring, depressed, and because when I am around, my manfriend has to share his attention (God forbid!). The two of them actually got into a huge fight today because his friend was openly hating on me and smack talking me and my manfriend was none-too-happy about it.
His other friend hates me because my manfriend use to date his sister. He was just about constantly over at his ex's house and ended up becoming close friends with him because of it. My manfriend's ex dumped him, and since then he hasn't spent as much time over there, and he actually blames me in part. So he is constantly comparing me to his freaking sister, talking about how my manfriend should get back together with her, and how much better she is than me.
He is also miffed because he use to have a crush on me, but I never expressed an interest in him.

They use my being transgendered as an outlet for smack talking me. I have never personally heard things that they say, but I have been well informed.

Frankly, it's all crap. So I treat it as such. I let them complain and make themselves out to be the jerks while I continue to be a decent person. Believe me, it has been working. My manfriend realized that his friends are jerks, and has since been even sweeter to me. As much as I completely want to snap and scream at them for upsetting my manfriend so much, I just calmly take it. I have yet to even say anything particularly bad about my haters, even if they are completely deserving. I won't stoop to their level, I'll let them ruin their own relationships with my manfriend and I won't have to do anything.
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Griffin

If 2/3 of the people you effectively live with hate your guts, you should move as soon as you can.  It seems like you have an ally in the police, but they could just as easily have arrested you while investigating the "gun" malarkey.  With everything that's happened, it's time to file a police report for harassment.  No one else would put up with this, why should you?  If a non-trans friend put up with this, that would be crazy. 

Definitely don't get into a fight with them, or argue with them, just ignore them.  They're trying to prove that you're just as bad as they are.  "Aw, she thinks she's special but she ain't nuthin, she's worse than us cuz she's a freak."  Seeing a confident woman who takes pride in herself runs counter to their pre-conceived notions about trans people.  If they ask you for a favor, say no obviously, but otherwise don't grace them with your presence.  They don't deserve you. 

Off-topic, but honestly I found your description of her very vivid.  I've seen "that woman" a million times.  Used to be good looking, now hates everyone and wants a specific person (YOU) to pay for the lack of respect they get.  Some people really do glide by on their looks and when that stops, it's not a pretty sight.
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glendagladwitch

Depending on which state you live in, it might be legal for you to secretly record all of your interactions with your neighbors.  See if you have a local spy store, and maybe they can help you with the regulations and some affordable surveillance equipment.  But get a second opinion on the laws.  The spy store peeps might be wrong, or they might tell you whatever they think will sell their gear.

If you have evidence, maybe you can get your neighbors to back off by showing it to them, or get restraining orders.  Of course it would be easier to move, but then they win, and you can't run from confrontation your whole life.
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eshaver

I guess my family does here in this Peyton Place Neighborhood . We have a roving band of teenagers who have done "Shake - Downs "on my son , thrown trash on our lawn , peered out of their front windows as I leave / approach the house . and rand the doorbell and ran shouting obsenities . The police here seem interested in siting people for expired licence decals . Heck you could murder and rape here and they would look the other way . Oh a cop even lives at the end of the block here too ! ellen
See ya on the road folks !!!
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GinaDouglas

I outlasted them all.  And when perspective tenants came over, I made sure to meet them.  And the people who actually moved in are totally cool.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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lilacwoman

Quote from: GinaDouglas on September 23, 2010, 08:47:06 PM
I outlasted them all.  And when perspective tenants came over, I made sure to meet them.  And the people who actually moved in are totally cool.

glad to know you have nice new neighbours now.   too many people model themselves on the lowlifes on the Jerry
Springer Show
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ArleneMcCarthy

My new next door neighbor is a ravaging homophob, he hates all those that we feels that are different from him. I have posted a thread " My Homophobic Neighbor " at several sites in the past 2 - 3 weeks. I received many valuable suggestions from members of the CD/TG/TS sites.
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Sada

bye
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