I guess what I was asking wasn't really explained too well. I always dressed like a boy too. Always had a tomboy look about me. I didn't have long hair much of my life. But, people always knew...girl...people knew me as a ...girl... I even came out to my cousins when I was like 6 or 7 saying that I was a boy and not a girl. But when I got into high school and things started to 'develop' it was harder to be called a 'boy' cause of those developments. Even dressing as a boy, I was seen as a girl. But, there were particular times that I went out of my way to look MORE boyish. The eyeliner on the mouth for a mustache, the sock in the pants, the ball cap, the binding. I guess what I'm trying to ask is...when was the first time you went out into the world as your male presentation and made an effort to be called in the male pronoun to see what would happen. The testing the waters so to speak...there was a turning point for me where I crossed that line of being a tomboy and went to being a male...the first time I went out as male..was amazing in feeling when I was called a boy when I tried...just like now. I still don't look male but I love when I get 'sir'd' instead of 'ma'am'd'.