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Shynoir



Updated: Aug 24th 2010, the post has not been edited. Just formatted a little to make it easier to read. Just answer any topic that interests you. I've received a lot of insights since I posted this, some questions like the labels section is no longer relevant  :)





I have done extensive research myself and now understand somewhat more clearly what exactly transgendered and transsexual means. The process of MtF, effects of HRT, and more. Unlike before I have decided to keep an open mind about the surgical possibilities. From my own personal evaluation, I'm pretty much confident that I'm a 21 year old transsexual girl - a female brain and a male body, much like a birth defect I think. I need a little more help understanding the steps to take and the surgical options available today.

I don't have any health care coverage or insurance. I always had to pay things myself, so I was not aware any other way. Unfortunately, I'm not very rich being just a freelancer online but have been saving some to buy a new house for my mother. I'm sure she will be happy to co-operate with me since this is more important and life changing path for everyone involved. So the budget is a little over 150,000 USD. Whatever that is left will be invested and put on bank for interest as the new life-style will indeed require some steady cash flow than what a casual freelancer can get.

[Update: Sep 3rd 2010, not important at all, but regarding the money... I just got pressured into putting all that into buying the house. There goes that... >.<]


1. Gender therapy/evaluation: Psychological evaluation, and gender therapist sessions? I believe that is the first step to really identify me. In those evaluations should I use my natural voice, or the fake male voice (um maybe not quite male either but somewhat, it's different every time because I'm not good at voice acting) one that I developed to cover up my natural feminine one? Because I'm introverted and always very quiet I was never caught, except by my late grandmother who often swore that I sound like a girl despite my efforts.

[Notes: the purpose of the question was to know whether the therapist will be confused if I'm a MTF or a FTM on first meeting. By common suggestion just being myself with my natural feminine voice is the best option I guess]



2. Hair Problems: The family has a genetic hair problem. Somewhat high body hair growth and young baldness. Luckily I don't have much body hair and what's here I can indeed remove through waxing and electrolysis. But I did not escape from the young baldness. I do somewhat still have a head full of hair, but my hair fall started the moment I hit 11 years old. Right now it doesn't have the depth I desire. I believe hair transplant is the solution? Should I get it done before or after HRT?



3. HRT usage/withdrawal: HRT changes the body from inside out, I really like that. I'm not sure how it can change my mind any further considering my mind completely lacks male thoughts, interests, or anything.  Anyway, once you start HRT do you have to take it for life or for a long while for the body to get used to it? From what I know the ovaries in those that are luckily born female produce the estrogen and progesterone hormones, whereas in the case of a transgirl there are no ovaries present because of general transplant issues. So that does mean that one has to continue HRT long term to remain purely female, doesn't it? Does withdrawal cause any reversal? Another question that's been bugging me is that the HRT introduces the hormones that are normally produced by the ovaries which are homologous to the male testicles, is there any way to suppress testosterone production without removal (pre-SRS)? Would the suppression allow me to develop more defined feminine qualities as opposed to not suppressing it?



4. Chromosome role: Chromosomal makeup for a male is XY and for female it is XX. I am realistic enough to accept that there isn't anything that can be done to update millions of cells in the body. However, does something exist by any chance? Or do hormones eventually affect them? Alternatively I suspect I may have a XXY chromosomal makeup, although there are no specific abnormalities other then rounded shoulders, lack of height etc... I'll have to get it checked out I guess. I'm not quite sure if it's good or bad should this be the case.

[Notes: the reason for inwardly hoping for XXY condition was to build tangible source as a discussion material to help with coming out.]



5. Medical comparison/analysis: Some say that female and transsexual girls have a smaller region in hypothalamus compared to males. Another factor relates to somatostatin neurons where men have a greater count (P < 0.006) compared to females and transsexual girls (P = 0.83). Is there any truth to these claims? Are there any more similar supporting factors?

[Notes: this similarly acts as a tangible source of discussion material to help with coming out.]



6. Gauging FFS possibilities: Facial feminization surgery generally includes hairline correction, forehead contouring, brow lift, rhinoplasty, lip lift, jaw line contouring etc... However, rather than just feminizing the face, would a complete reconstruction possible? Completely different look, but realistically based on the face build so far? Do you have a say in how the end result should look like or is it random depending on the surgeon and procedures used? Will the same surgery fix any lack of symmetry between the two eyes as well? I noticed that my right eye opens slightly more.



7. Gauging body feminization possibilities: Thyroid cartilage reduction, it is good that there is such an option. Mine isn't particularly that defined but it's worth a try for sure. Would reducing it affect my naturally feminine voice? How about other cartilages, would any surgeon work on say wrists, elbow, or even knee bone? Just asking as I have not found anything directly related to this. Does reducing cartilage increase the risk of arthritis later in life?



8. Shoulder, collar bone, and ribcage possibilities: I understand that the bones are fused once a person reaches a certain age. It may not be possible to broaden it, but can it be surgically reduced surely? Can the inclination of the collar bones be altered? Similarly can the ribcage be reduced? In my case I have a shoulder width of 16 inch from the front, around 30-32 inch lower rib cage circumference, and a rib cage height of 12-13 inch. It may not need alterations, but I'm not too sure. If no alterations are needed to my frame, then I must be incredibly lucky.



9. Pelvis modification options: Can the male pelvis be altered to resemble the female pelvis? Is there a surgical option for that? I will need to get my own x-ray to make sure if mine is already similar to the female type or not.



10. Minor body feminization possibilities:  Is there a surgical option to feminize hands and feet? I understand that fat distribution changes from HRT will affect it. However, my hands (palm) are 7 inch in length (long finger) and 3.3 inch in width, I'm not quite sure what the average female hand will be like, as many search results out there returned ambiguous results.



11. Gauging SRS possibilities: In sex reassignment surgery a good surgeon reconstructs the male organ to resemble the female vagina with similar cosmetic appearance and sensation. However, some say that female vagina has several more nerves than that of males and that the sensations of the reconstructed vagina in transgirls are limited. Is that true? Additionally female prostate [Skene's gland] and the male prostate are somewhat homologous in their function, so will it be rerouted to the new vagina for any sterile (due to HRT) release (if any)? Will the new glans (clitoris) be void of any connection to it unlike the male penis?

[Notes: the last sentence/question here is asking if anything is still connected to the new clitoris]



12. Breast development options: As far as breasts go, I do have some breast tissue even if I do exercise and try to keep fit. Strangely I never developed any muscles - I think it's a good thing. I believe HRT will relatively develop my breasts, but supposedly if it doesn't increase to the bare medium proportions that I desire, then I may need to surgically improve it. I'm not too fond of implants though, so are there any natural alternatives to slightly develop it surgically? Fat filling or what else?

[Notes: by fat filling, I mean the non-implant stem cell approach. i.e. lipo, split fat, enrich one part with stem cells, then use the enriched fat for augmentation]



13. Scar recovery/removal: Scars, will all the surgical scars heal and disappear eventually (a year's time)? if not what can be done to remove the scars?



14. Care and hygiene: Once you have transitioned, are the care and hygienic practice the same as that of those who were born with the correct female body? Similarly, due to HRT do skin care products meant for female be effective on the skin?

[Notes: one purpose of this question was also related to the new vagina. Does it clean itself? Will it contract/closeup indefinitely? The answer I think I've gotten now is douching and dilation]



15. Body care/checkups: After transitioning, from a health perspective if I were to go to a doctor do I have to tell her that I was originally born with somewhat of a male body? Does that affect any medicine or prescriptions I am given? Or can that be kept quiet? I rather not remember or bring up the past on and on again.

[Notes: one other purpose of this question was also related to the newly developed organs. When it comes to occasional checkup visits to ob/gyn, mammograms, physicals etc...]



16. Stealth possibilities: If you had went through SRS and fully transitioned, were you able to update your birth certificate with your corrected sex? Was it difficult? I understand that this varies from state to state and the country you are in. I have to investigate that about my own country's rules and regulations on it, though I'm not sure who to talk to. Also is it best to change name before or after SRS?



17. Trans labels: Correct me if I'm wrong: a Transsexual Girl is a girl born with a male body, and a TransGirl is a girl who has corrected her problem through HRT, surgeries, and SRS. The word "Transgender" on the other hand is an umbrella term that covers various gender roles and sometimes act as a 3rd gender, which doesn't really apply to this transgirl who only identifies fully as a girl after transitioning.

[Notes: no longer relevant. I understand the labels perfectly and it is somewhat subjective. I tend to fall under the illusion of gender binary for myself alone ,so that I can rest easy when I reach the end of the 'trans' journey]



I know I'm indeed over analyzing this. In reality I'm not rich at all, all the money I saved are locked away in investments and banks for some two years. To get a good therapist - a gender therapist I'd have to fly aboard, and with everything locked away I rather do a research from a layman perspective first. I learned a lot from my initial research, and I'm hoping to learn a lot form this as well. This is only my primary research. I simply don't want to be clueless when i do meet up with a gender therapist. :)
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Flan

1. Psychological evaluation, and gender therapist sessions? I believe that is the first step to really identify me. In those evaluations should I use my natural voice, or the fake male voice <snip>
Don't overdo it, the point is to be as comfy as possible to spill your guts to the therapist for an honest assessment.

2. ... I believe hair transplant is the solution? Should I get it done before or after HRT?
It's AN option, but you'll want to go for it after HRT starting as to prevent further DHT related damage.

3. ...Anyway, once you start HRT do you have to take it for life or for a long while for the body to get used to it? ...
After genital surgery, yes, for life

... is there any way to suppress testosterone production ...
Spironolactone is part of HRT https://www.susans.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_%28male-to-female%29

4. ... I'll have to get it checked out I guess. ...
genetic testing is a waste of money as it only shows "how", not "what now".

5. ... Is there any truth to these claims?
probably, only after you're dead and the brain is dissected.

6. ... However, rather than just feminizing the face, would a complete reconstruction possible?...
no

7. ...Would reducing it affect my naturally feminine voice? How about other cartilages, would any surgeon work on say wrists, elbow, or even knee bone?...
no and no

8. It may not be possible to broaden it, but can it be surgically reduced surely? Can the inclination of the collar bones be altered?
no

9. Can the male pelvis be altered to resemble the female pelvis?
no, not yet

10. Is there a surgical option to feminize hands and feet?...
no

11. ... more nerves than that of males and that the sensations of the reconstructed vagina in transgirls are limited. Is that true?...
generally, the clitoris is less senate then a genetic female, and the vagina more senate.

12. ...any natural alternatives to slightly develop it surgically?
pumping is bad and will kill you, mmmkay? try diet and time

13. Scars, will all the surgical scars heal and disappear eventually (a year's time)?
more or less yes

14. Once you have transitioned, are the care and hygienic practice the same as that of those who were born with the correct female body?
yes, especially to prevent UTI's and vaginal tush/yeast infection.

15. ...Does that affect any medicine or prescriptions I am given?...
it shouldn't

16. If you had went through SRS and fully transitioned, were you able to update your birth certificate with your corrected sex? ... Also is it best to change name before or after SRS?
Depends on the state/country of birth
see https://www.susans.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_changes
and most therapists want to see clients get name change before ok'ing surgery.

17. Correct me if I'm wrong: a Transsexual Girl is a girl born with a male body, ...
the label is your choice to use or not, the label doesn't take the place of your gender identity, just boxes you to the group the label represents.
Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur. Happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr.
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lilacwoman

Quote from: Shynoir on August 16, 2010, 04:21:19 PM
I have done extensive research myself and now undestyle will indeed require some steady cash flow than what a casual freelancer can get.

Stop rsearching and start looking at how women about 1-15 years younger than you live, look, dress, shop, work - and ask yourself if that is the life you want.
No-one knows what themselves or their life will be after a couple of years HRT and srs have altered things.  If the alteration has brough out a totally new person who is happy to be seen as the opposite sex then the need and decision to transition was right - if the final person is a fish out of water then the decision was wrong and they should have stopped as a crossdresser or effeminate male.

A good shrink and joining a local CD/TV/TS group will round out your education and help you evaluate yourself before going too far.
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Shynoir

Quote from: lilacwoman on August 17, 2010, 03:53:11 AM
Stop rsearching and start looking at how women about 1-15 years younger than you live, look, dress, shop, work - and ask yourself if that is the life you want.
No-one knows what themselves or their life will be after a couple of years HRT and srs have altered things.  If the alteration has brough out a totally new person who is happy to be seen as the opposite sex then the need and decision to transition was right - if the final person is a fish out of water then the decision was wrong and they should have stopped as a crossdresser or effeminate male.

A good shrink and joining a local CD/TV/TS group will round out your education and help you evaluate yourself before going too far.

Many lead active lives as males then go through the process of a sex change. I on the other hand had never lead my life as a male even for a second.  I'm surprised to see such a response in this forum. I'm a young 21 year old and not a big hairy grandpa who fancy's a sex change (no offense meant if any one is). I know what I am, I don't need to look at other (-15) 6 year old girls to understand anything. My involuntary behavior, and mind is purely feminine. I became quite introverted because this is not  topic I felt comfortable talking with my family plus many around me are not forward thinking.

I was researching about the surgical and other medical information, and thought I'd get some good responses on a MTF transsexual forum. I was not, and have no need to research female behavior or lifestyle. If you are a female, that should come naturally to you, if you are a male then that's that. Your involuntary learning comes naturally to you outside environmental interventions.

I don't enjoy cross dressing, it naturally wouldn't be cross dressing because my mind is pretty much female. However, the body isn't. For the reverse reason I can't bring myself to wear men's cloths. All my cloths are gender neutral after all. Quite frankly I don't understand you. Maybe I misunderstood, but there is nothing worse than seeing my quotes altered for some reason.
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lilacwoman

Quote from: Shynoir on August 17, 2010, 08:45:24 AM
Many lead active lives as males then go through the process of a sex change. I on the other hand had never lead my life as a male even for a second.  I'm surprised to see such a response in this forum. I'm a young 21 year old and not a big hairy grandpa who fancy's a sex change

Big hairy grandpas got stuck in the closet the way you are and are no less TS for that - so long as they leave the maleness behind when they transition.
What surprised me was all the questions when you claim to be practically a walking talking girl.
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Shynoir

Quote from: lilacwoman on August 17, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
Big hairy grandpas got stuck in the closet the way you are and are no less TS for that - so long as they leave the maleness behind when they transition.
What surprised me was all the questions when you claim to be practically a walking talking girl.

Pardon me, but my questions were more or less directly related to the surgeries and medical side. Unfortunately, I'm not someone who is knowledgeable in that. Is it wrong for me to ask and try to understand about some surgical and medical hurdles that lies in front of me? Kindly let others who may have went through the processes respond if they wish.

Thanks for your time lilacwoman :)
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Astarielle

I have no right to jump in on this conversation, but I will anyway. We're allowed a few mistakes, right?

You seem to be laboring under a delusion of gender binary, that everything we are can be categorized as male or female. That's not...quite true. I won't deny the need to change to a female body, nor the wisdom of it, for the girl who needs to. But it's not something you should rush into. The fact that you don't like crossdressing trips an alarm bell in my head, since it's usually a great middle step between curiosity and a decision.

All in all, I'd say you're researching the wrong thing. You're looking at the "how can I be as much a girl as possible" when you should be looking at the "is this right for me"

Don't rush it. It's not as if there's a time limit on transitioning. Talk to a therapist, and make sure you're ready. Otherwise you could go from a confused guy to a very unhappy guy in a girls body. And that is completely self-defeating.
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Nicky

Hi Honey, woh that is a whole heap of questions.

My question is, do you want to live as the girl you are? If that is the case all these things are just things you will need to learn to deal with regardless of what is possible. your young, hormones would do wonders. You hint at their being the possibility of being intersexed, I think that is something worth exploring.

Ok,

1. Psychological evaluation, and gender therapist sessions? I believe that is the first step to really identify me. In those evaluations should I use my natural voice, or the fake male voice <snip>
I don't think it is, you seem to already know who you are. If you want to get surgery though it helps to get diagnosed with GID. In which case just go as yourself. You don't need to lie.

2. ... I believe hair transplant is the solution? Should I get it done before or after HRT?
Well, you can also get onto something like finasteride/propecia now. That will help stop you losing anymore hair than you have, and some of it may grow back. I would do that before thinking of surgery. HRT may help a lot. it would be worth checking if this hair loss is actually male pattern baldness or something else. Treatment will vary depending on the cause.

3. ...Anyway, once you start HRT do you have to take it for life or for a long while for the body to get used to it? ...
Yeah it is for life, though if you have SRS or your testicals removed you won't need the antiandrogen componant of hormone therapy.

... is there any way to suppress testosterone production ...
Totally, estrogen works way better when unopposed.

4. ... I'll have to get it checked out I guess. ...
you don't have to anything. but it is nice to know right?

5. ... Is there any truth to these claims?
yes

6. ... However, rather than just feminizing the face, would a complete reconstruction possible?...
no, but it can be changed significantly like michael jackson.


7. ...Would reducing it affect my naturally feminine voice? How about other cartilages, would any surgeon work on say wrists, elbow, or even knee bone?...
no and no

8. It may not be possible to broaden it, but can it be surgically reduced surely? Can the inclination of the collar bones be altered?
no

9. Can the male pelvis be altered to resemble the female pelvis?
no, not yet. But hormones can help you achieve some of the curves you desire. While I am a little boyish still, I definitely have a softness to me now, and a waist and I am getting some weight on my hips and theighs and butt.

10. Is there a surgical option to feminize hands and feet?...
no

11. ... more nerves than that of males and that the sensations of the reconstructed vagina in transgirls are limited. Is that true?...[/i]
With a good surgeon you will have a beautifully sensate vagina, you will be orgasmic and in 7th heaven. At the same time with hormones you may find this does not even matter. I have not had surgery yet and sex has become like "Holy cow!!!!!!" without going near my genitals.

12. ...any natural alternatives to slightly develop it surgically?
I would say don't worry about it unless you feel you need it. Chances are you will get some good results from hormones.

13. Scars, will all the surgical scars heal and disappear eventually (a year's time)?
Usually to the point where it does not matter. Depends on how much you scar and your aftercare.

14. Once you have transitioned, are the care and hygienic practice the same as that of those who were born with the correct female body?
yes, more or less. though some sugeons recomend douching which GGs don't need to do as their vaginas are naturally self cleaning. The outside bit of the vulva we need to keep clean in the same way.

15. ...Does that affect any medicine or prescriptions I am given?...
it shouldn't, but I think it is worth disclosing, one because you will need ongoing support from a health care provide, for blood tests related to hormone use (checking you kidneys are still good etc). Also you will still have a prostate, and while reduced from hormones and unlikely to be a problem, could still get cancerous. Something to keep in mind, you might need prostate exams.

16. If you had went through SRS and fully transitioned, were you able to update your birth certificate with your corrected sex? ... Also is it best to change name before or after SRS?

Best to change it when you want to live as the person you are. It sucks being a girl with a male name! So change it when you want to I say.

17. Correct me if I'm wrong: a Transsexual Girl is a girl born with a male body, ...
I think that is a pretty good description. Though some could say it is a male whos brain did not masculinise as it should have. Also sometimes transsexual refers to the act of actual genital changes, so you are not a transsexual untill after surgery. I don't think people use it in that sense very often.

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kelly_aus

Like lilacwoman, given you say you are well researched, I'm a little surprised by the wall of questions. I'm in a similar position to you, so I'll pass on what I've picked up so far, on topics that are an issue for me..

Quote from: Shynoir on August 16, 2010, 04:21:19 PM
I have done extensive research myself and now understand somewhat more clearly what exactly transgendered and transsexual means. The process of MtF, effects of HRT, and more. Unlike before I have decided to keep an open mind about the surgical possibilities. From my own personal evaluation, I'm pretty much confident that I'm a 21 year old transsexual girl - a female brain and a male body, much like a birth defect I think. I need a little more help understanding the steps to take and the surgical options available today.

I don't have any health care coverage or insurance. I always had to pay things myself, so I was not aware any other way. Unfortunately, I'm not very rich being just a freelancer online but have been saving some to buy a new house for my mother. I'm sure she will be happy to co-operate with me since this is more important and life changing path for everyone involved. So the budget is a little over 150,000 USD. Whatever that is left will be invested and put on bank for interest as the new life-style will indeed require some steady cash flow than what a casual freelancer can get.

1. Psychological evaluation, and gender therapist sessions? I believe that is the first step to really identify me. In those evaluations should I use my natural voice, or the fake male voice (um maybe not quite male either but somewhat, it's different every time because I'm not good at voice acting) one that I developed to cover up my natural feminine one? Because I'm introverted and always very quiet I was never caught, except by my late grandmother who often swore that I sound like a girl despite my efforts.

1) I understand that is important to be yourself and be honest..

Quote3. HRT changes the body from inside out, I really like that. I'm not sure how it can change my mind any further considering my mind completely lacks male thoughts, interests, or anything.  Anyway, once you start HRT do you have to take it for life or for a long while for the body to get used to it? From what I know the ovaries in those that are luckily born female produce the estrogen and progesterone hormones, whereas in the case of a transgirl there are no ovaries present because of general transplant issues. So that does mean that one has to continue HRT long term to remain purely female, doesn't it? Does withdrawal cause any reversal?
Another question that's been bugging me is that the HRT introduces the hormones that are normally produced by the ovaries which are homologous to the male testicles, is there any way to suppress testosterone production without removal (pre-SRS)? Would the suppression allow me to develop more defined feminine qualities as opposed to not suppressing it?

For us girls, there's 2 things needed, HRT which is Estrogen/Progesterone and for pre-ops, an anti-androgen. The HRT enables the development of female secondary sex characteristics, such as breast growth and fat distribution. The anti-androgen suppresses the bodies ability to process testosterone. Post op girls will conrinue to reuqire HRT, but not the anto-androgen.

Quote4. Chromosomal makeup for a male is XY and for female it is XX. I am realistic enough to accept that there isn't anything that can be done to update millions of cells in the body. However, does something exist by any chance? Or do hormones eventually affect them? Alternatively I suspect I may have a XXY chromosomal makeup, although there are no specific abnormalities other then rounded shoulders, lack of height etc... I'll have to get it checked out I guess. I'm not quite sure if it's good or bad should this be the case.

Chromosomes do not seem to be an important factor and you will retain your birth sequence..

Quote5. Some say that female and transsexual girls have a smaller region in hypothalamus compared to males. Another factor relates to somatostatin neurons where men have a greater count (P < 0.006) compared to females and transsexual girls (P = 0.83). Is there any truth to these claims? Are there any more similar supporting factors?

Honestly cant say. Some studies do suggest there may be a difference in structure..

Quote6. Facial feminization surgery generally includes hairline correction, forehead contouring, brow lift, rhinoplasty, lip lift, jaw line contouring etc... However, rather than just feminizing the face, would a complete reconstruction possible? Completely different look, but realistically based on the face build so far? Do you have a say in how the end result should look like or is it random depending on the surgeon and procedures used? Will the same surgery fix any lack of symmetry between the two eyes as well? I noticed that my right eye opens slightly more.

It's best to wait and see what the effects of HRT are on the face before thinking you require FFS. HRT will cause the fat distribution to change, including on the face.

Quote7. Thyroid cartilage reduction, it is good that there is such an option. Mine isn't particularly that defined but it's worth a try for sure. Would reducing it affect my naturally feminine voice? How about other cartilages, would any surgeon work on say wrists, elbow, or even knee bone? Just asking as I have not found anything directly related to this. Does reducing cartilage increase the risk of arthritis later in life?

THe reduction is primarily an external procedure, so it will not affect your voice. As for other cartilage and joints, you are unlikely to find a surgeon who will do the kind of work you seem to be after, as it's almost a guaranty of arthritis..

Quote8. I understand that the bones are fused once a person reaches a certain age. It may not be possible to broaden it, but can it be surgically reduced surely? Can the inclination of the collar bones be altered? Similarly can the ribcage be reduced? In my case I have a shoulder width of 16 inch from the front, around 30-32 inch lower rib cage circumference, and a rib cage height of 12-13 inch. It may not need alterations, but I'm not too sure. If no alterations are needed to my frame, then I must be incredibly lucky.

9. Can the male pelvis be altered to resemble the female pelvis? Is there a surgical option for that? I will need to get my own x-ray to make sure if mine is already similar to the female type or not.

10. Is there a surgical option to feminize hands and feet? I understand that fat distribution changes from HRT will affect it. However, my hands (palm) are 7 inch in length (long finger) and 3.3 inch in width, I'm not quite sure what the average female hand will be like, as many search results out there returned ambiguous results.

The only real alterations that can be done to your ribcage are non-surgical.. Have a look at corsets..  Few girls even consider the somewhat radical level of alterations you mention. There's enough variation within humans that it's really not needed. I don't have FFS or BA even on my list yet.

Quote11. In sex reassignment surgery a good surgeon reconstructs the male organ to resemble the female vagina with similar cosmetic appearance and sensation. However, some say that female vagina has several more nerves than that of males and that the sensations of the reconstructed vagina in transgirls are limited. Is that true? Additionally female prostate and the male prostate are somewhat homologous in their function, so will it be rerouted to the new vagina for any sterile (due to HRT) release (if any)? Will the new glans (clitoris) be void of any connection to it unlike the male penis?

Firstly, sensation will depend in part on the success of any individuals surgery.. That said, I understand that the clitoris is slightly less sensate than a cisfemale's, whilst the vagina itself is more sensate. As the aim is to prevent nerve damage, any existing nerve connections will be retained.

Quote12. As far as breasts go, I do have some breast tissue even if I do exercise and try to keep fit. Strangely I never developed any muscles - I think it's a good thing. I believe HRT will relatively develop my breasts, but supposedly if it doesn't increase to the bare medium proportions that I desire, then I may need to surgically improve it. I'm not too fond of implants though, so are there any natural alternatives to slightly develop it surgically? Fat filling or what else?

It has been suggested to me, that in order to get an idea of possible breast size, to have a look around my family. That being the case, I'm unlikely to need it. While I wouldn't recommend silicone implants, saline implants are well worth looking at - if it does burst, the worst that will happen is your breast will defalte and you'll feel suddenly refreshed..

Quote13. Scars, will all the surgical scars heal and disappear eventually (a year's time)? if not what can be done to remove the scars?

Depends on the severity of the scars and the healing abilities of the patient. Most should fade entirely, or fade to the point that they are easily concealed - by pubic hair for example.

Quote14. Once you have transitioned, are the care and hygienic practice the same as that of those who were born with the correct female body? Similarly, due to HRT do skin care products meant for female be effective on the skin?

You are essentillay female at this point, so yes care and hygiene practices will be essentially the same. HRT will make the outer layers of skin softer, you will need to maintain it..

Quote15. After transitioning, from a health perspective if I were to go to a doctor do I have to tell her that I was originally born with somewhat of a male body? Does that affect any medicine or prescriptions I am given? Or can that be kept quiet? I rather not remember or bring up the past on and on again.

I would always tell my doctor, just in case.  Yes, it may well be painful to talk about, but I feel your doctor will need to know.

Quote16. If you had went through SRS and fully transitioned, were you able to update your birth certificate with your corrected sex? Was it difficult? I understand that this varies from state to state and the country you are in. I have to investigate that about my own country's rules and regulations on it, though I'm not sure who to talk to. Also is it best to change name before or after SRS?

This varies from country to country and even state to state.. I'm able to change my name at any time, I just fil in the form and pay the fee.. I'm also able to have my gender changed on my Birth Cerificate, but only after SRS.

Quote17. Correct me if I'm wrong: a Transsexual Girl is a girl born with a male body, and a TransGirl is a girl who has corrected her problem through HRT, surgeries, and SRS. The word "Transgender" on the other hand is an umbrella term that covers various gender roles and sometimes act as a 3rd gender, which doesn't really apply to this transgirl who only identifies fully as a girl after transitioning.

I know I'm indeed over analyzing this. In reality I'm not rich at all, all the money I saved are locked away in investments and banks for some two years. To get a good therapist - a gender therapist I'd have to fly aboard, and with everything locked away I rather do a research from a layman perspective first. I learned a lot from my initial research, and I'm hoping to learn a lot form this as well. This is only my primary research. I simply don't want to be clueless when i do meet up with a gender therapist. :)

I'll echo somewhat what liliacwoman said, these are just labels.. Wear them any way you wish.. I'm a woman, there's a an issue or two, but I'm a woman..
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pebbles

LETS PLAY JEOPARDY!

1: Don't overdo it keep in mind what you need and want from them you want to soul search that's fine you need to plan but I think i'm doing okay and I've not really talked to anyone in that context. But do whats right by you if you need to talk to someone to figure this stuff out then do ultimately I suspect I'm only going to talk to them to get my GID Diagnosis and SRS certificates. Save your money other things will come.

2: Depends on how you plan to go about it I mean it's your transition and you need to decide what you need to do and what will happen however if your hair is thinning it will continue to thin until you get on HRT even if you get transplants.

3: HRT for MTF's consists of two elements... Testosterone blockers. And Estrogen Replacement... Until your testis are removed either Through an Orchidectomy or Sex reassignment you will have to take The Blockers... Estrogen replacement however is a perminant thing. You will have to take it until you die.
If you stop taking the blockers, before getting your Testis removed your male side will begin to reassert itself although you maybe left sterile... If you stop taking E after SRS or stop taking E while taking the T-blockers Your bones will begin to erode and degrade from osteoporosis. You will also experience a number of premature aging effects.

4: Is it important to you? I know when I was younger I wanted to think I had been born a girl and was forced to be a guy or I was intersex and looked for evidence of this But in reality this is probably not the case but regardless of what the case is it wouldn't change my feelings and I don't look I still won't be happy unless I transition. you want to be careful about chasing the Intersex diagnosis too hard even if it's true you might then find there are complications in diagnosing you as a transsexual as TS aren't supposed to be Intersex. no there is no Chromosome magic wand... it wouldn't make any difference anyway the Y chromosome isn't really used beyond the fetal stage anyway.

5: Yes this is true. It means that begin TS is probably something innate to our physical makeup and we were born that way.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18962445
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.80.5457&rep=rep1&type=pdf

There is additional cases a monstrous doctor in the 1960's didn't believe this 'innate' gender identity to be true and tried his very best to prove it wrong by sexually reassigning a Male baby as a Female one hiding the fact that they were male from them... The child behaved very much like a traditional Transgender child rejecting there gender role from a young age and eventually transitioned aged 15.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

6: They might be able too it would depend on the surgeon the thing is alot of these procedures of FFS are niche and complex the surgeons who perform it often don't diversify much into other regions of plastic surgery.

7: Again it's not really feminisation the procedures you describe you'd have to ask someone else. As for The adams apple removal it shouldn't effect your voice it will remain as high or as deep as it was before the procedure if successful if they mess it up you might loose your voice.

8: no such surgery exists although I have heard that corsetting and tight lacing can change your ribcage shape if done continually which will reduce the broadness of shoulders and upper profile of the torso.

9: not really if you start HRT young like 20 or younger you might get bony hips but once the bones are fused hormones won't significantly effect it you would get some curves anyway... In the form of fat redistribution from estrogen. whitch adds fat onto your hips and waist.

10: no sorry I don't think such a procedure exists.

11: it varies on the skill of the surgeon but there is pretty decent sensation if they are skilled usually enough to have an orgasm.

12: beyond breast augmentation and getting fat there isn't much you can do if you fail to get big tits your in the same boat as alot of small chested women.

13: most decent surgeons will put them in innocuous places like along the hairline in FFS or internally in SRS and they do fade.

14: HRT transformed my skin very much to the female end my electrologist commented on my androgynous skin type. Men have thick oily tough skin that heals quickly from injury. Women have thin delicate skin that heals slower, It tends to be drier too. PCOS women tend towards the male type depending on how bad it is.
Mine is Extremely Dry very delicate and thin abnormal for someone with such thick facial hair, but paradoxically heals rapidly and is deceivingly tougher than it looks. She recommends female facial products to me.
with SRS you have to dilate regularly to prevent a stricture forming in your vaginal opening.

15: Chances are they'd have your medical records anyway so they'd know but you could just mention that you take estrogen supplementation because you have no ovaries. It's the same thing.

16: Depends on your country and or State. In my case I HAVE to change my name before as you need to be living as a woman full time before you can get referred for SRS.

17: Transwoman is a Male-To-Female Transsexual. That's how I know it.
Transman is the other way around Female-To-Male Transsexual. Transgender is a variation of it ad-hoc term.
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jade

..And a few litres of PMMA in hips and buttocks helps too..

;D
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El

As you are pretty new here i would pass on the advice my gender therapist told me: "only you can say if you are transgendered, im a medical professional and i can tell if you definately arent, but i cant tell if you are that is your decision and no one elses"

On the medical side of things, if you are as young as 1 then hormones could give a massive change after a year or 2 (still in pretty good territory there) and then after that you might not want surgery so badly (appart from the SRS lol)
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lilacwoman

Quote from: El on August 21, 2010, 06:55:04 AM
As you are pretty new here i would pass on the advice my gender therapist told me: "only you can say if you are transgendered, im a medical professional and i can tell if you definately arent, but i cant tell if you are that is your decision and no one elses"


that's one of the most curious statements by a therapist I've ever heard!   On what evidence would you get a Yes and on what a No?
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El

She is a gender psychologist who works alongside my gender psychiatrist, he gets the final word on my referall to charing cross where HRT and SRS are decided. Shes been working with transgendered people for i think 30 years and she has said she can sometimes tell with certainty if someone is not transgendered but the only person able to truelly diagnose is yourself.

She is awesome, ive never met a cisgendered person with such an understanding of the issues we face and she is hugely empathetic
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lilacwoman

I'm quite sure I can tell if a person isn't TS but TG covers all the spectrum so no I can't tell if anyone is TG.
Lots of TGs misdiagnose themselves as TS and go all the way through SRS before they are willing to admit they were wrong -Sam the Sham being one who got a lot of headlines.
Shame I'm not able to be funded to CX as it would be interesting to have a session with those shrinks you mention.
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spacial

Quote from: El on August 21, 2010, 06:55:04 AM
As you are pretty new here i would pass on the advice my gender therapist told me: "only you can say if you are transgendered, im a medical professional and i can tell if you definately arent, but i cant tell if you are that is your decision and no one elses"

On the medical side of things, if you are as young as 1 then hormones could give a massive change after a year or 2 (still in pretty good territory there) and then after that you might not want surgery so badly (appart from the SRS lol)

Quote from: lilacwoman on August 21, 2010, 11:34:05 AM

that's one of the most curious statements by a therapist I've ever heard!   On what evidence would you get a Yes and on what a No?

I gotta say that that sounds like the sort of statement I would expect from anyone given a position of gate keeper to something like gender re-assignment.

It avoids committal. It throws the onus back onto you. It sounds clever, while actually being rather childish.

Can I just say to Shynoir, this is really a very friendly place. Many of us are quite fragile at times and can respond to some things in a manner which was not intended by the points made.

You will find all the answeres you are looking for here. Then, eventually, it's back to the trenches of medical sceptics I'm afraid.  :laugh:

But think of Susans' as a time out refuge where you can recharge your batteries before going out to do battle, yet again.
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El

weel on my first appointment she said she would support a referrall, apparently i tick the right boxes right from the start. apparently i am (psychologically speaking) a typical transgendered lol.
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Shynoir

Flan, Thanks for your response. Now, about the point on 5th one, we do have scans available that can show that. That much I know :D


Astarielle, I'm very comfortable with girl clothes than men's clothes. However, I don't enjoy them because how can I enjoy them if I'm afraid of being caught? I'm a westernized girl who never lived beyond my four walls. I missed out on my own country's culture and language. Nowadays, it is impossible for me to go out alone at all as the only language I know and understand is English. In India it doesn't matter if I'm in a big city, that language barrier alone is going to cause a lot of problems. In a conservative society like this one I can't go into a women's store and buy a dress can I? I can't even order online because the choices are so few and far between. Even if I do manage to order online, what will I explain when the package shows up at home? It's impossible for me to enjoy them without constant fear. Although mother has asked few times why I don't wear men's cloths (a typical singlet, shirt, trousers, belts... ehh all uncomfortable), she wonders if I will ever get bored of jeans and a tee. I somewhat think she does know, but chose not to confirm it the past 11 years. :(

Everyone can have their own beliefs and opinions, and to me a gender binary is very important as I plan to live in stealth. I've never been proud that I've been born a male, and if I do end up fixing it, I would certainly want the trans journey to end. I can stay in stealth because I know I don't plan to marry or have insurance or anything that would tie me back. I'm already past the "is it right for me" step, feel free to read my response here. Believe me, I'm not a confused guy. However, I am confused about the surgeries as I never had one before. :)


Nicky, yes I am young, but I have the worst fear of aging. I can get started on HRT only at 24 (3 years of waiting). I truly wanted to live out my 20's as who I really am, see why I try to rush so much? I know transition at full can take 4-6 years. I'm also quite beating myself up for not researching properly when I was 10 years old, I could have been on HRT since then. I was scared away from just looking at CDs and some people who were not passing very well. This is why give importance to appearance. >.<

I already do know, but I need psychological evaluation for the letters. However, the need to identify is not for me but for my parents. I will only come out to them once I have tangible proof to explain with. They most likely will be accepting, but I don't want them to think this is in anyway their fault. It was just my inability to approach the topic with them while young, and yes I'll go as true myself. About FFS though... changed significantly like michael jackson? more like destroyed significantly! *scared* :D


kelly_aus, thanks for your response! about corsets though, it would be awkward to wear them all the time. Good for training I guess, worth  looking into. The level of alterations I outlined here are to gauge out the possibilities. I wish I had an inch off my shoulders, collar bones and rib cage. However, I would understand the over all risks too.


pebbles, the intersex condition will be another tangible proof or something to discus with for me as far as my parents are concerned. That's the main reason I'm inwardly hoping it to be.  That along with 5th point scans will be a stronger focus point of approval. My parents are old, and they dread surgeries to the point of avoiding it, even non-elective ones. About the 8th point, you're the 2nd person to mention corsets, will read up on it. :)


El, that sounds like a nice therapist. Wish I could find an encouraging one like yours.


spacial, yes it is a friendly place. Which was why I was surprised at lilacwoman's initial response. I'm somewhat of an internet savvy now, and the first sign of hostility is "fixing" your message. Here the quote, and then saying something which I found quite hurtful, because the way how my background is. Well I admit she had no way of knowing though. I was willing to keep an open mind and assume I misunderstood somethings though. I responded back defensively, simply because I am fragile too. Too fragile in fact, but not engough to hold hard feelings about it. :laugh:


Note: I've updated the original post to make it easier for new visitors to the topic to read through.
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Argent

One thing I was to say now that the internet can give a good idea of things and there are a LOT of knowledgeable people here but it is probably best to find someone in real life who you can talk to who can give you a more accurate view on how you are.
Since we only know of you from what we say we can't really get an accurate view as we miss out on body language, the vribes you give off and how you talk at etc. They can't misunderstand you.
If you find a good gender therapist not only will they be able to answer ALL your questions with great accuracy they can also decide what best routes are from you.
So my advice is as soon as you can, get out there and find one lady! :)
If money is an issue, go looking around. There are always ones which offer discount.
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Shynoir

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Quote from: Argent on September 03, 2010, 09:44:17 AM
One thing I was to say now that the internet can give a good idea of things and there are a LOT of knowledgeable people here but it is probably best to find someone in real life who you can talk to who can give you a more accurate view on how you are.
Since we only know of you from what we say we can't really get an accurate view as we miss out on body language, the vribes you give off and how you talk at etc. They can't misunderstand you.
If you find a good gender therapist not only will they be able to answer ALL your questions with great accuracy they can also decide what best routes are from you.
So my advice is as soon as you can, get out there and find one lady! :)
If money is an issue, go looking around. There are always ones which offer discount.

Yes, I've been searching for a therapist that has experience with gender issues. So far only found two, they both are at the other end of the country. I've send them an email with a basic overview and requested their working hours when I can see them. But of course I can't meet them now. There is a lot of steps I have to take first before I can actually go by myself to meet one, so I'll have to try online ones first and will see how it goes. My priority now is not getting letters but rather a third opinion on whether this is right for me.

Money is indeed a problem, especially now that my family has kind of pressured me into taking a loan against my deposit to buy the house. Well I agree it is kind of strange for a 21 year old who has no official degree to show, but strangely having this much idling in her account. Anyway, I'm looking for somewhat of an affordable online therapist. Everyone seems expensive. :(
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