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Started by kylie, December 19, 2006, 11:02:14 AM

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kylie

I have just recently come to accept my GID and am working with a wonderful therapist about how to accept this in my life. Yesterday my wife saw that I ordered some new clothes again and that along with all my new bath products and weight loss it scared her. I think she came to the realization that this process I am going through is more serious than she had hoped. She told me for the first time that she wasn't comfortable with my dressing again. I talked with her about my need to accept this in my life with her and the kids in order to be at peace. I also reassured her that she didn't have to participate. She again stated that she was not comfortable and went to bed.

I then fell apart and hysterically cried on the floor and bed for hours. We did speak again but I was too hysterical and overwhelmed to do any good. What a mess I think I made.

I told her of the dressing before we were married and she participated for awhile and then asked me to see a therapist to stop as she wanted to have children as did I. So I saw a therapist for over three years about ten years ago. Did some great work and then purged and stopped out my love for her and sheer will power. Since that time have been dealing with my feelings through the internet as a way to keep it out of her and the kids life. This worked until earlier this year.

What I need is some direction to a good article, web site, reference material or anything else one knows of that I can give to her that doesn't jump directly to dealing with full transition. (reading about my GID possibly leading to transitioning would be too scary for her at this time; as it is for me) l need desperately to help her through this most difficult time. I'm not looking for an article to get her to come over to my side as I don't even know what exactly is my side yet. I am looking for something to help her understand this and show her that she is not alone.

Please help if you can,

Kylie
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cindianna_jones

Kylie,

I wish that I could help, but my personal experience took me far beyond cross dressing to full transition.  I like you, tried very hard for a very long time to make it all work.  This thing I had running round in my head was a non stoppable freight train pushing me down the line.

I do know that there are many CD's who have successfully worked out arrangements with their wives.  Perhaps there are some here who may help.  I certainly wish you the best.

Cindi
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kylie

Thank you for caring Cindi. I'll look into your advise.

Kylie
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Peggiann

Hello Kylie,

I am an S.O. here at Susan's Place.

I think if you went to the Signifigant Others page you could read what some of the other S.O.'s have posted. Some have email addresses on their profile page. Maybe someone there could exchange in personal emails back and for with your wife so she could at least have someone to share with that may have gone or is going through a similar situation. It might even be someone whom is just a non judgemental, non confronting and encourages in theirposts.

I think it very important for you to be able to get a grip on what it is you feel and truely desire and then be able to communicate this with your spouse in a calm atmosphere. Maybe if you have been keeping a journal of your feelings (some Therapist request this of the individuals the see), that could be shared with her. It may reflect your termoil you go through. If your can't speak calmly together maybe you could write what needs to be said back and forth for a while. Joint Therapy has been helpful for others in the past maybe that could be an option for you both. In the Wikki there is a world of information. You may find the artichle you are requesting in there. The communication is very important between you, but don't force discussion face to face if she isn't ready and especially if she feels threatened by your GID. The reason I say some form of communication is important is because if you both quit talking about this she may feel you have reconnsidered and have given it all up. It will only resurface in the future.

Your children and your wife and how you proceed will affect their lives will weigh heavily in your mind and heart as are trying to figure it all out. I think to be truely fair to yourself though you must if possible somehow not consider that. I think you must try to feel what you need to do to be Fair, Firm, and Freindly to yourself and be able to resolve the inner termoil you experience. I have read many times here in the posts of others whom have pushed similar feelings deep with in themselves denieing themselves to be whom ever they really are. Years go by as they suffer only in the end to have family and freinds abandon them through lack of understanding. Then there are those whom suffer depression which hampers the fullfilling life that seems to be ever illusive to them. I have read here in the posts where some wife are very supportive after getting past the initial shock. I myself. am one of those wives.

Communication and time coupled with comprimizes everyone can live with... backed with honesty and love is what has helped many that have made things work in their lives...as well as the realization life is one day at a time... one step at a time.

Good Luck in your search,

Smiles,
Peggiann
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kylie

Thank you so much Peggiann for your insight and support. You are a wonderful person. I will check out those resources and do what I can immediatey.

Bless you,

Kylie
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Brianna

According to the most famous book on the matter, over half of all transsexuals are married when they transtion. I can only imagine how much harder this would make the situation. I mean, transsexuals are human and get married for the same reasons as anyone else - and what a terrible complication to an almost impossible situation.

I have never been married - but I do see enough of the support side of it that I'd like to give you an idea of what I think it probable to expect. In my opinion, you can expect her to deny your transsexuality, you can expect her to want to delay your transsexuality, you can expect her to give you guilt over your transsexuality.

All of which, in my opinion, is also understandable. I mean, if I married a man, invested my life and youth in our marriage and found out he was transitioning I would be beyond upset. I think it's common for both sides to be in so much pain that they cannot hear the other person over the squall.

I want to tell you in advance. Transition, if you go through with it, will be the most selfish time in your life. You will not and cannot afford to put anyone else first during this time period. I also want to tell you that if you don't transition the cost to your mind and soul will be extreme. Denying your true nature will eat at your marriage like a cancer.

This is the mother of all Catch-22s.

In my opinion, the only way to save both yourself and your marriage is patience, a GREAT therapist and mutually endless bounds of commitment. I have seen this lacking on both sides many times before. On one side, a husband didn't care that he was financially abandoning a wife of 22 years. On the other, a wife once was hellbent at stopping transition despite the personal cost to her partner and the children.

Be wise. Be compassionate. But also be realistic - most marriages do not survive this.

Bri
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Optans

My heart does go out to all of the others going through the problem of helping friends and family adjust to our being honest about our true natures.

My wife just blows me off and refuses to discuss it.  She seems caught in Kübler-Ross's first stage of grief (denial).  Well, the process takes years and is a gradual one and there is just no way to hasten it, so she'll either accept my life or she won't.  Only time will tell.  I love her and don't want the marriage ended, but, to be blunt, this is my life and I have to live it as I have recognized I must.

No one ever said this was easy!  Liberating, yes.  Interesting, yes.  But easy it is not!

Martha
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Louise

Kylie,

The kind of advice you are looking for depends on how you see yourself.  Before we can be honest and open with others we need to be honest and open to ourselves.  You say that you experience GID; does this mean that you plan to transition or does it mean that you are uncomfortable in the traditional male role and need to express your feminine self?  If you can live with occasionally expressing your feminine personality by crossdressing, then a compromise with your wife is possible.  But if you are TS and you need to transition to retain your sanity, then the odds are that your marriage is not going to survive.  To answer who you are takes honest soul-searching and probably the help of a good therapist who understands GID.  Listening to others may not help at all. 

I am a happily married androgynous crossdresser who is lucky to have a supportive and understanding wife.  When I first told her about my crossdressing it took some time for her to get used to this, but we managed to adjust--not without mistakes and hurt feelings on both sides.  You say that when you told your wife about your crossdressing that she asked you to see a therapist to be able to stop.  This is utterly unrealistic.  The only "cure" for crossdressing is a shopping excursion and the only "cure" for transsexualism is surgery.  Gender identity does not go away.

There are good resources to help wives of crossdressers understand crossdressers (and equally important to help crossdressers understand their wives).  One of the most important things is to recognize that you are not alone--you are not the only transgendered person in the world and your wife is not the only woman married to a transgendered person.
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Gill

Hi Kylie:

I feel your pain and I feel your wife's pain as well.  If your wife needs to speak with someone she can certainly email me.  She may not want to talk about this right now.  Right now she probably just wants to bury her head in the sand and hopes this will all go away.  After all it did once before.  She hasn't experienced this long enough to realize this will not go away.  But deep down this is what she fears. I am a member of a group (outside of Susan's) that may be of assistance to her.  I will send it to you.

Gill
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Sheila

Hi Kylie,
   I have always said this, it is harder on the spouse than it will ever be on you. You have known all your life, she is just now catching the boat. I think everyone learns and accepts this in different ways. Some will use the computer as a source of solice, and others will use books or therapy. I know with my wife and I, it was talking this through by ourselves. She didn't want anything to do with any of the people I met in real life or on the computer. She never read any of the books I brought home nor did we use the therapist that much. She didn't like therapy, but I did and used it. It helped me work through my problems with her and other things in my life at that time. You have to know that most marriages don't make it. I know mine has. I have been married for 37 years and we are more happy now than we have ever been. I'm post op almost 3 years now. I took my time with transition, so she could catch up with me and for her to assimilate what is going on with me. I know there was one light bulb moment for her and that was a documentary that we watch a few years ago. I don't know why that had any effect on her but she saw the light and was very supportive after that. That had to be about 2 to 3 years before my surgery. So my heart goes out to you and hope everything works well with you. Remember to be patient with her. I know after you get started you want to be like a jet plane, but you should slow down to her pace. Thats if you really want the relationship to survive. Remember she is not a lesbian.
Sheila
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kylie

Dearest Brianna, Otans, Louise, Gill and Sheila - I'm sure you all know how much I appreciate all the sharing of your thoughts, suggestions, support and experiences with me at this most difficult time.

I love my wife and children with all my heart. But at times I'm very scared with the excitment and happiness I am experiencing in my new acceptance of me and in loving me. I would love to transition as quickly as posible and have everything work out for my family. But that fantasy is very premature and highly unlikely from where I sit today.

So, here's where I am. I'm working with a wonderful gender therapist, that has helped bring me to this wonderful new place, and will help to guide me and my wife forward. The plan today is to bring along slowly the new and improved me into all of our lives. One step at a time and as long as it takes to bring my wife and children along. That piece of advise I hear loud and clear from all. My goal is to become happy and at peace with myself as often as reasonable within my wonderful family. I know that this is a challenging goal. But with my love for them as my guide, I will work with all my heart and love to reach this goal. I know there will be stumbles and set backs. But that is what happens in life with everything.

Each of you has contributed to this current understanding and direction for my life. I could not be at this place without each of you caring as you have.

With much love in my heart, thank you.

Kylie



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cindianna_jones

I do wish you the very best.  I'm sure that you will figure this out with your family.  Love and open communication is key.  Don't keep any secrets.  And please, invite your spouse to participate here. There are many loving SO's here who would be very happy to help you and her along the way.

Don't forget to drop in in your darkest moments.  It really helps to talk to people who have been where you are.

Love,
Cindi
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kylie

Dearest Cindi,
I have vowed to myself and told my wife that there will never be any more secrets. My mental health and happiness cannot take those any more!

Tonight I plan on sharing with my wife some things suggested by my therapit today and I will also recommend that she looks into the SO resources here.

I WILL reach out to you all in my darkest moments for help and support. I didn't the other night and I should have. Thank you for reaching out and reminding me. Reaching out and being vulnerable is something that was taken from me in my childhood. So now I plan to accept and use that important trait and feeling as an important part of me.

Sincere regards,

Kylie
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Ricki

Brianna you said a  mouthful with this one...
QuoteDenying your true nature will eat at your marriage like a cancer.
well for some or almost all it could eat at your very life.
Kylie,
I wish i could offer some help but i have not been in relationships in a long time avoid them like i do herpes...
But the site has some great resources here to help.
also i do know that you can only educate and change yourself and hope that the people around you change or accept some of it.  it's almost impossible to get someone to think like you do or act like we want them to..
Lord, hang in there
Ricki
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kylie

Thank you Ricki for the encouragement and thoughts. It means a great deal to me that you took your time to comment.

Bless you,

Kylie
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Ricki

Kylie,
i'll send you a pm let me know if you want the help..
lotsa luck
Ricki
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kylie

My wife has agreed to meet with my therapist! This is a major breakthrough. My wife has a Phd in Psychology but has not practiced in over 10 years. So her understanding and opinion of my "issue" is rather antiquated.

I would not be at this place without all of your help and support. It gave me the strength and courage to be strong, compassionate and patient with her.

Much love,

Kylie
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Ricki

Kylie,
I copied this from a gender site it was an older question and answer series:

We are planning to retire soon - my husband will transition at that time, and need to decide on a place to live.  Reading your saga helped a lot.  We are East-coast people.  My sister lives on <A Location>, but she and her husband are not doing well with our news.  My husband is very small (5'8" and 165 lbs) and will pass easily.  Don't know about his head - his attitudes are so very typically male.  He was brought up in an Italian immigrant family, so he has lots of deep-set macho details.  What he, and I, would like to do is blend into a mainstream community, as cousins, or something.  I told him he has to do the lying!  We don't want to present as lesbians, or attempt to go into an alternative lifestyle community.  Both of us are very straight-laced, and would not be comfortable in such a setting.  Have any suggestions?  We have been married for 30 years.  Personally, I wish it would all go away.  But I know it won't.  I am still experiencing anger and confusion.  He started the estrogen and electrolysis before he told me what his situation was, and that deceit is very hard for me to bear.  He was a coward, and admits it.  Just afraid - with good reason, of course.  He has apologized again and again, but it is not the kind of thing that an "I'm so very sorry" can heal.  So we have lots of problems.  I have no therapist yet, nor do I have a support group.  We live in <A Place In America> - transferred here by his job 3 years ago.  Can you help me with advice - personal and/or how to find a support group?

For resources, may I direct you to the Ingersoll Center, in my links area at the bottom of my index page. Ingersoll is the oldest and most respected gender center in North America, and they would very likely be able to suggest options in your area. If I remember correctly, there is a group in <A Place In America> of some reknown, in fact, and I just might already have a link for on that page already, if memory serves. Check out the links area.

As for how to deal with how to stay together in the world, should you choose it, that is really up to whatever makes you feel the most comfortable. Every choice, every option, has consequences.

There is no reason you cannot present to the world as cousins, or sisters, or roomates, or whatever. However, keeping up this arrangement would mean having to avoid, and worry about, showing too much affection, concern, love, or attention to each other in a social context. In effect, you would have to keep a great number of secrets, which -in my experience- is a lot of work. Still, if being thought of as lesbian is too horrible, it is an option, and can be done. You can create whatever life you choose. In effect, you would be doing what lesbian couples have had to do for the last hundreds of years, that is pretending that they do not have a relationship or lifetime partnership, whilst still maintaining a relationship. 'Passing for straight'.

Of course, to avoid having to live in constant fear of discovery, to avoid the forever effort of keeping up false appearances, is entirely what all of the 'gay rights' business is all about. Living in fear of discovery is very difficult, long term. You both may want to think about the ramifications of such a choice.

I say this, because, really, in every realistic, rational sense, you are both Queer. Both. You always have been. Genderqueer is still Queer, so your spouse is a form of being Queer, and this form -transsexuality- is just as inborn as homosexuality is. You presumably love and are attatched...from all appearances devoted... to your spouse, and are trying to help her. (it is reasonable to call your spouse 'her' because if she really IS transsexual, she was born with the condition, and has simply been trying to cope with it for all these years the only way society has allowed, until recently).

If you fell in love with her, care for her, have stood by her, chose her over all other available mates, then this says something about what you are attracted to. Transsexuals cannot hide all that they are. They are often beaten, chided, or forced to overcompensate for the truth of what they are. They can never completely hide it. It is the truth of what they really are.

Therefore, it is logical to examine your own needs and true feelings. I am not saying that you are a closet lesbian. That is sexuality. But, there must be some reason you chose your spouse, and that reason includes all that they are...including the non male truth of their...for lack of a better term...soul. Indeed, because MTF transsexuality is the condition of having a brain wired in a naturally female manner -despite all of a lifetimes programming to be male, act male, think male- there must, reasonably, be some part of you that is more comfortable with another female as a partner. Again, this is not sexuality, it is not lesbianism, per se. It is a matter of choosing qualities of a life partner. Sexuality is a seperate issue.

In having choosen a transsexual partner, even one who tried very hard to pretend they were not (what other choice did a person of your generation have, really? Historically, most took their own lives. I do not think your spouse is a coward. Suicide is the cowards way out, in my opinion. Your spouse had no options, no hope, but soldiered on as best they could, in a very dangerous world. A world that -mostly- beats, burns, kills, and shuns the Queer of any stripe. I do not consider survival to be cowardice),  there is information about yourself in your choices.

How do you want to live? In fear? In shame? You are what you are, and that is the sum of your decisions, needs, and choices in life. Life is too short, I argue, to live worrying about what others might think. But then, that is my experience, and I have faced the label of being Queer, or some shade of Queer, much, much longer than you, I suspect.

I offer that this situation you are in is as much an opportunity for you to understand yourself, as it is for your spouse, and that you need -in your own way- just as much help coping with it. Take care of you, too! Seek some councelling for yourself, if you can. What you are having to face is not easy for either of you. Your spouse may have to deal with a lifetime of suppression, repression, and the loss of being themselves, but you will have to deal with coming to terms with who you really are, to have chosen them above all others, and any issues and problems you may have been taught to have about that.

Far too often the spouse of a transsexual is overlooked, because the fuss of dealing with changing an entire body appears to outweigh the internal struggle of someone faced with a major revelation about their deepest motivations for making choices. You choose your spouse, and you had your own very real reasons, that define you. You almost certainly do not know them all. It can be tough to deal with, unless you are extrordinarily open minded.

However, I offer that learning does not stop simply because one is at retirement age. Indeed, it is the one quality that seperates the living from the already dead-yet-walking. Discover yourself, even as your spouse is trying to uncover themselves after years of enforced supression. You spent a lifetime with this person. The 'why' of that is an entire universe I suspect you have never explored. As they recover themselves, you will inevitably wonder who you actually are, and what you actually need and want from life. It might be courageous and useful to find out.

I do not know if it will help you or not?
ricki
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kylie

Ricki - There is much truth in that piece. I have often wondered at what level does my searching and determining who I really am play for my spouse's gender identity.

Thank you for sharing this with me. It gives me even more reason to try in every way I can to help and support HER struggles with my realization and acceptance.

Wishing awonderful Holiday,

Kylie
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