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GinaDouglas

I am a male to female transgender person, who has been undergoing hormonal gender reassignment since January 2007.  I have been living full-time as a woman since January 2008.  I have been on full hormone treatment since January 2009.  Although I have not been financially able to fulfill all the requirements to have my gender legally changed in court, I believe that I am legally female under Colorado Law.

I started going to the Finish Line Lounge in November 2007.  It is the nearest bar to my house.  ¾ of a mile down the street where I live.  In February 2008, I was banned from the Finish Line Lounge.  According to both Kelly (the night manager) and Warren Rainwater (the owner of record), the reasoning was that eventually something bad was going to happen, and they were nipping it in the bud by banning me.  They feared that some transphobic person would hurt me, or that there would be a fight between people who liked me and people who didn't.  The people who like me are more numerous, but the people who don't like me are more violent.  However, Ryan from the Pride Center met with the owners and management of the bar.  Ryan educated them on the law, and Warren and Kelly agreed to lift the ban.

Toni Rainwater, Warren's wife, and co-owner of the bar was openly hostile to me, and encouraged other people to do the same.  Nonetheless, my popularity continued to grow.  At least a dozen regulars have promised to "watch my back" in there, and dozens of others have verbally come to my defense, when it has been necessary.

Rather than discourage people from hassling me, Toni Rainwater has encouraged hostility.  Specifically, a regular customer named Ritchie has been openly hostile and abusive to me on many occasions, and Toni verbally encourages it.  They literally created what they call "The Ritchie Rule" that I am not allowed to go near any table where Ritchie is sitting.

On Halloween 2008, Toni insisted that I cover up my dominatrix costume, even though I was more covered up than other women.  This, and dozens of minor incidents since 2008 are indicative of a general atmosphere of Sexual Orientation Harassment, that has been fostered by the owners of this bar.

Ongoing disputes about my civil rights have increased the hostility of the owners (and certain bar-patrons) over time; culminating in violence directed at me and my girlfriend on July 9.  I was subsequently banned and denied service on July 23, July 25, and July 29.

Two months ago, I met a woman in there, who also lives in the neighborhood, and also goes there regularly.  We got involved quickly, and had been living together for two weeks when the violence occurred.  We are affectionate towards each other, but less so than other couples who go in the Finish Line.  I am modest, she is shy, and we live together.  So we really don't have any inclination or reason to get hot-n-heavy in the bar.

Our relationship has become quite a subject of conversation and gossip in the bar.  I am sure that stories of our behavior have become more exaggerated with every telling.

On Friday, July 2, the bartender Kelly warned (or threatened) me, "If you guys slow-dance in here again, there is going to be trouble."  On Friday, July 9, when we returned to the bar, Kelly met me at the door and said, "Toni has been telling people all week that you will be 86'd forever, if you kiss any girl in here.  And she is here now, so you better not do it."

This indicated to me that if "Toni has been telling people all week", then my romantic behavior had created a controversy that had been an annoyance all week.  Rather than behave like a responsible and law-abiding provider of public accommodation, and discourage people from discriminating, Toni had clearly sided with discrimination, and was making a public stand.  The law would have said, "I can ban Gina from kissing, if I ban everybody from kissing.  Is that what you want?"  But instead, Toni uttered discriminatory threats.
So I went to speak to Toni, and I started very politely, and with a carefully worded opening line.  I said, "I understand you have new rules for who can kiss who in here?"

Toni said, "It's no new rule.  There is no girls-kissing-girls in here."

I said, "Of course there is, and everybody has seen it."

To me, this seems to be illegal discrimination against lesbians, if that is in fact the rule.

So I spoke loudly enough for everyone on the patio to here me.  I said, "Toni, are you telling me, in front of all these witnesses, that you have a rule prohibiting girls from kissing other girls in here?"

Toni then yelled at me, "It's not that girls can't kiss girls in here.  It's that you can't kiss anybody in here."

"Toni, I have to inform you that that is illegal discrimination," I said, still loud enough for everyone on the patio to here.  "It's a violation of Colorado Civil Rights law for you to make up rules to apply only to select groups, or individuals."

Then Kelly came rushing up and said, "You have to leave."  I thought she meant to leave the patio and walk away from the argument.  So I said, "I am not leaving."

If Kelly ejected me for arguing against the discriminatory policies of the bar, that is also against the law.
Then Toni got out of her chair and assaulted me.  She screamed, "When somebody cuts your dick off, you can claim to be a woman and a lesbian!"

My girlfriend was already running, and I got physically thrown out by Kelly, Toni, and some of Toni's friends, many of whom were throwing hateful insults and threats at me.

Kelly closed and held the door long enough for my neighbor and me to get to my car, but we were chased by three people, one of whom damaged the car.  I was the designated driver that night, the only one sober.  I assure you that my account of the events is the accurate one.

We attempted negotiations, but the bar maintains the pretext that we are not banned for discriminatory reasons, but because we engaged in over-the-top public displays of affection; and because I caused the hullaballoo with Toni.  They have a surveillance system so they could prove that, if it was true.

According to our pastor (Nori Rost from All Souls Unitarian Universlaist Church) who attempted to mediate, Toni said, "We have been banning whoever we want for 29 years, and we can still do it that way."

According to the police report, Kelly admitted that she heard Toni make the statements about me not being allowed to kiss anyone, and about cutting my dick off; and Kelly claimed that she ejected me and banned me for arguing with Toni.  However, this is the very definition of retaliation for me objecting to discriminatory policies.  Specifically the policy that guys can kiss girls, and girls can kiss girls; but I can't kiss anybody.  Specifically Toni's contention that, without surgery, I am not really a woman.  This is gender-presentation discrimination and gender-identity discrimination.
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GinaDouglas

GENERAL REBUTTAL:
   
The respondant's response is incomplete.  I think I am entitled to written statements, in their own words from any supposed witnesses.  The respondant was supposed to provide a list of all employees, for any of the days there was a protest.  Moreover, since I am charging that Mrs. Rainwater cultivated an atmosphere of hostility and sexual-orientation harassment towards me over several years of time; all the current and former employees of the bar for the last two years should be questioned.

There is also no information from the respondant regarding their policies about kissing and dancing, or any examples of similar treatment of other individuals.  In a bar where people frequently commit egregious acts, and are only kicked out for the night; me being permanently banned for (at worst) yelling at Mrs. Rainwater, is all out of proportion.  Furthermore, any regular patron of the bar will tell you that there is plenty of kissing going on in the bar, but management draws the line at groping.  Kelly warned me several times, over the years, to keep hands off of breasts.

The respondant submitted a page of my writing as some kind of evidence.  I am a published writer with a BA in Creative Writting.  The respondant's submission was the concluding page of a 20-page story I had written, three years ago, for submission to the NPR Radio Show "This American Life."  The guidelines for submission to that show specifically say that stories should be about "what you learned" from events.  That story was written three years, the first time I was illegally banned from The Finish Line, after being assaulted and traumatized.  It is no way indicative of my mindset today, and it used colorful language for the purpose of radio entertainment.  Moreover violent fantasies and suicidal thoughts are relatively normal responses in victims of violence.

The only relevance of this document is that, by submitting it, the respondant tacitly admits that the current problems have their roots in events three years old.  Furthermore, those events from three years ago establish a pattern of harassment that is echoed here.  I was banned for no good reason then, but the Rainwaters relented when the Executive Director of the Pride Center threatened them with protests.  This is simply a continuation of that same event, except that this time the respondant's hostility is multiplied because it is not just me alone that is annoying some patrons by my very presence - the situation is exacorbated by me and my girlfriend being affectionate to each other.  A lot of people were annoyed that I was a "regular" in there; when my girlfriend and I became a "regular couple" in there, those people got really upset.

The response was submitted by Warren Rainwater, who was not even there on the night of 9 July 2010.  Clearly, Mr. Rainwater's employees would tell him a version of events that don't implicate them, and Mrs. Rainwater's friends would tell him versions of events that don't implicate her.

The response contains the phrase "aggressively kissing a female patron", but makes no mention of who that patron was.  It also seems to imply that the kissing was unwelcome.  While this is completely untrue, I assume that the patron in question is my live-in girlfriend, who was with me that night.  We had only been together a few weeks at that time, and she was less committed to the relationship than she was scared of reprisal.  But that ratio is changing every day.

The Finish Line has an elaborate surveillance system.  If the respondant's version of events were true, they could prove it.  Under Colorado law, failure to provide those records can be considered to be evidence that the records would, in fact, implicate the respondant.

On the surface, this might seem to be a case of my word against theirs.  Fortunately, we have another account of events which occurred on 7/9.  I am submitting a copy of the police report of CSPD, which contains an account of events from Kelly Phillips.  This report contradicts the account submitted by respondant.

The police report is not without errors, but it is close enough to be of value to the investigation.  In the report, Kelly Phillips (respondant's night-manager), gives a very clear sequence of events.
1.  Gina enters and Kelly offers a drink.  Clearly Gina has not been banned or barred, if she is being offered a drink; as is alleged in respondant's statement.
2.  Gina walks over and starts "talking" with Toni.  Kelly seems to be too far away to hear the conversation.  Kelly was, in fact, inside the bar, and the conversation took place on the smoking patio.  According to Gina's account, earlier in the report, at this time Gina was attempting to negotiate about the issues of kissing and dancing with Toni.
3.  Kelly hears Toni say, "When you cut your dick off then you can call yourself a woman."  If Kelly could not hear the previous conversation, but she can hear this; the indication is that Toni yelled this discriminatory insult (and policy of the bar, since she is the owner).  According to Gina's statement in the report, Toni actually said "When somebody cuts...," which is much more threatening.
4.  Kelly reports that Gina then raised her voice to yelling.  Which means that Gina was not yelling before Toni gave serious provocation.  Gina only raised her voice so that other patrons (potential witnesses) would be alerted to the dispute. 
5.  According to both Kelly's and Gina's accounts, Gina then threatened to protest the discriminatory policy of the bar, which is an activity that is protected by law.
6.  According to both accounts, Kelly then told Gina to leave, and Gina said "no."  According to both accounts, Gina was told to leave, but continued protesting, and was physically ejected.
7.  According to Kelly, Gina was physically ejected from the bar and from outside the bar, having already been ejected; Gina yelled something back.  Kelly says Gina yelled, "You dumb bitch, I've been setting you up."  Gina actually said, "You drunk bitch, you set yourself up."
8.  Respondant's statement claims that Gina's insult (above) was the reason for Gina  being ejected.  But that is belied by Kelly's statement that Gina was ejected for protesting and Gina's insult was ex post facto.
9.  By her own admission to the police, Kelly Phillips (acting as the night-manager of The Finish Line) has broken Colorado Anti-Discrimination law.  Kelly admittedly took reprisal against Gina by ejecting her and denying service, and she addmittedly assaulted Gina by "pushing" her out the door.  In her own words, Kelly admits she did this BECAUSE Gina was protesting the discriminatory policies of the bar, specifically that Gina could not slow dance with her girlfriend or kiss anyone.  Both of these were discriminatory policies, aimed at Gina alone, that Gina was protesting.  Moreover Gina was disputing Toni's discriminatory policy that Gina could not be considered a woman unless Gina had gender-reassignment surgery, a policy which is contrary to Colorado law.
10. Kelly has probably committed perjury by giving false statements either to the police or to the commission, if she is, in fact, witness to the statement submitted by respondant.

SPECIFIC REBUTTALS

I was never asked to leave for kissing anyone.  I was warned that I would be "86'd forever, for kissing any girl."  I was told that there was "a rule against girls kissing girls", and that I was "not allowed to kiss anyone."  It was because I disputed these discriminatory policies, that I was asked to leave.

I did not leave and return, but went immediately to speak to Toni upon my arrival at the bar, after having been told by Kelly, "Toni has been telling people all week that you will be 86'd forever, for kissing any girl."

I did not "confront" Toni, but attempted diplomacy.  Toni was drunk, and responded to diplomacy with hate speech.

The F-word was never used.  The words "bitch" and the concept of a "set-up" were ex post facto.

Nobody was concerned for Toni's safety.  The people who "escorted" me out were a violent mob that Toni incited to attack me, verbally and physically.

I spoke on the phone with Gerald Cunning.  He probably was not an actual witness to these events, as he denies that Toni made the "cut your dick off" statement.  However, Mr. Cunning will probably be an excellent witness for establishing the atmosphere of sexual-orientation harassment that Toni cultivated.  Mr. Cunning himself referred to Gina several times as "it".  He stated that the bar had tolerated Gina for several years, including tolerating Gina's "slutty behavior", but it had gone too far and the bar was justified in kicking Gina out for antics that he went on to list in detail, antics that were all rumor and innuendo.

SUMMARY:

In the nearly twenty years that the Rainwaters have owned and run The Finish Line, they have established a reputation for intimidation and reprisal.  I have observed that Mr. Rainwater habitually sexually-harasses his female employees, and that both co-owners often threaten both employees and customers.  Three years ago, the Rainwaters backed down from a threatened protest, and their hostility has been building since then.

There is no doubt that my regular attendance at The Finish Line has been a source of conflict, between patrons and between patrons and management.  There is no doubt that some patrons no longer go to The Finish Line because I go there.  There is no doubt that my relationship, with another long-time Finish Line regular, exacerbated the situation.  The inescapable conclusion is that the whole story about threatening Toni is pretext to accomplish a discriminatory business policy by indirect means.

Furthermore, if anyone was set-up here, it was me.  The evidence all supports my theory that the following things occurred:
1.  There were patron complaints stemming from my affectionate relationship with my girlfriend.
2.  A furor was generated (among a certain segment of the clientele).  The furor grew as exaggerated stories were spread around, and the stories continued to become more and more exaggerated.
3.  Toni quelled the furor, by promising to do something the next time I was expected in, July 9.
4.  Toni encouraged some of the most homophobic and violent patrons to be there on 7/9, and plied them with free drinks to set the stage for my arrival.  Anticipating that I would kiss my girlfriend and give her pretext to ban me, Toni had the mob ready to back her if I objected.  She probably also arranged for Mr. Rainwater not to be there, as a moderating influence.
5.  Kelly knew something was up, and attempted to warn me; but I walked right into Toni's trap when I tried diplomacy.

In my opinion, if the Finish Line employees can be made to truly believe that the law can protect them from reprisal (and continued harassment by the Rainwaters); then the egregious truth will come out.


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Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Lee

Gina, it is ridiculous that you have to deal with this, and I'm glad that you're fighting it.  May I ask where in Colorado this is?
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tekla

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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GinaDouglas

It's Colorado Springs.

It's our neighborhood bar, within easy walking distance.  Cheap booze, the best sound system, jukebox, and karaoke around.  We have been going there for years.

Moreover, if we let them get away with it, how are they gonna treat the next ->-bleeped-<-?  Worse maybe?

How are other bars in the area treat ->-bleeped-<-s when they hear about this.  How are other bars gonna treat us, if they know about this.

Local Bar Thumbs Nose at Colorado Anti-Discrimination Law, Gets Away With It, Delights Right Wing Christians

That's the kind of headline we all want to see, huh?
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Lee

Ah, I should have guessed Colorado Springs.  (No offense to anyone who lives there!)
There's no reason you shouldn't be able to go and enjoy yourselves.
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tekla

It's Colorado Springs

Oh, icck, even worse.  The Springs is one of the biggest reservoirs of stupid in the US.  It's home to a couple of the most radical right-wing Xian organizations on the planet, Focus on the Family and the U.S. Air Force Academy.  Old Pastor Ted (gimmie some hot man on man butt-sex while I snort this meth before I go on TV and preach against homos) was from there too right?

Tragic, because the area is so beautiful.  But Manitou Springs is just down the road and pretty much CSs polar opposite.
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Lee

Quote from: tekla on December 04, 2010, 09:57:51 AM
Old Pastor Ted (gimmie some hot man on man butt-sex while I snort this meth before I go on TV and preach against homos) was from there too right?

Yeah, amongst many others.  This is why I stay around Boulder...
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glendagladwitch

I hope you get some satisfaction.  Unfortunately, places with the worst attitudes are usually the ones with no legal recourse.  Sounds like that's not the problem here, is that right?
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GinaDouglas

It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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tekla

I think that it means that in places with the worst attitudes the structures for relief are paper thin.  Sure there is 'Civil Rights' division of something in Colorado, but do they do anything, or are they only there so people can point to it and say 'look, we're doing something' when the reality is that the division does next to nothing?

It's like every state has a water quality board, but the quality of the water differs vastly from one state to the other depending on how much the board actually works, or doesn't work, in that state.  Many are in fact, water polluter defenders.  If the people who are going to hear the complaint are associated with the FRC, how much of a hearing does anyone really get?
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glendagladwitch

Quote from: GinaDouglas on December 05, 2010, 10:58:06 PM
I don't understand your question.

I'm asking if Colorado has statewide trans non-discrimination laws that will apply in this situation, or if Colorado Springs has an oridinance prohibiting such discrimination.  I'm also commenting on the irony that places that need such laws the most are typically the locales that lack them.
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tekla

I'm wondering something actually a level beyond that.  Sure they might have the law, but is it enforced?  Does it have 'teeth'?  Can they or do they, do anything about it, or is it a paper tiger?
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GinaDouglas

On paper, Colorado has as strong a set of civil rights laws as anyone could want: http://www.dora.state.co.us/civil-rights/publications_and_services/Posters/CCRDPosterEnglish.pdf

In Colorado, discrimination against people on the basis of [Race, color, religion, creed, national origin, ancestry, sex, physical or mental disability, sexual orientation, marital status, and retaliation for engaging in protected activity (opposing a discriminatory practice or participating in a public accommodations discrimination proceeding)] is prohibited in employment, housing or public accommodations.  Moreover, gender status is defined as being part of sexual orientation.  "(7) "Sexual orientation" means a person's orientation toward heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgender status or another person's perception thereof."

Furthermore, we have a tripartate definition of gender.  You can be the gender you are, the gender you present as, or the gender you innately feel yourself to be.  http://www.dora.state.co.us/civil-rights/Statute_Regulations_Rules/Rules.pdf

These regulations literally make it illegal for people to use the wrong gender references or wrong name when referring to or speaking to trans-people.  It is a misdemeanor punishable by up a fine of $30-300 and/or 10-30 days in jail.

We have great laws and no enforcement.  We can't even get business to put up the required anti-discrimination signs.  The police refuse to charge the misdemeanor.  (In my case, according to the police-report, the bartender confessed to the misdemeanor, but was not charged.)  Prosecutorial discretion has kept our hate-crime law from being attached to any crime but murder.  Plaintiff-attorneys will not take discrimination cases, except on an hourly basis.

We do have the Civil Rights Division, but it is a hugely underfunded agency in a low-tax state government full of underfunded and powerless agencies.  I already lost my employment discrimination case before CCRD.  The employer denied that that they knew I was trans and about to begin transition, but it was found that at least three out of five managers knew; when four managers denied knowing, but the fifth said that she knew because two of the others told her.  So CCRD caught them in a huge lie, but still decided they were telling the truth about firing me for insubordination, despite two pages of precedents defining pretext, and fitting it to the insubordination charge.

At best, I expect CCRD to order the Finish Line to rescind the ban, after about a year, with no penalty.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Lee

That's some really handy info to know.  Let us know how the case comes out.
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GinaDouglas

I lost the case.  No probable cause to believe my account over the account given by the Finish Line owners.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Lee

 :-\ I'm sorry to hear it didn't go through.  However, I will hope that it will make them take a second look at the law and realize that people will not happily go along with the way they treat them.
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Ann Onymous

Anytime one goes to file a complaint, whether legal or administrative, it is ALWAYS beneficial to cite the appropriate provisions of Code and/or statute that address the particular set of circumstances.  Do not presume that the agency will properly parse the alleged claims in an attempt to find what sections were or were not violated.   

Oh, and where bars are involved, it is also essential to remember that there are other agencies that MIGHT take interest in the actions of the licensee...specifically whoever licenses establishments that serve alcohol.

That being said, when it comes to bars and restaurants (or for that matter, ANY establishment), I can typically do a lot more damage to them by simply not spending more money in there...
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