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FTM and god?

Started by Hazard "AJ", June 25, 2010, 08:37:41 AM

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Jamie

I'm Orthodox Christian, like most people in my country.
Sometimes I believe in God, sometimes I don't - don't know how to explain that. When you've seen and heard things like I have (and I mostly think about things that had happened on Balkans in the last decades) - you have to ask "Where He was to stop that?"

I like to say "I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him."

Don't listen to those people who told you that God hates LGBT community. I don't think so.
I like to believe that we were made like this so we could show how strong we are. And if there's heaven and hell I don't believe God will send us to hell just because we changed our bodies. I was taught that only bad and evil people go to hell. So if you're a good person - I think you don't have to be afraid.
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Hazard "AJ"

Im not really afrod of hevan or hell.. Im more afrod if there isnt one. always have been, For some reson i have  had very bad agsierty over this and am going to  my doc 2morrow to see what she can do as i fill like this thought is taking over my life and it somthinik i dont need at this time in my life i dont now why i so scared of death well im not scared of dieing everyone has to die fuill stop Im scard of what comes after.. I do belive in ghosts as storys iv been told but friends and family. Huh maybe im just in a deprrestion and agsierty stage right now
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emoglassesenvy


being transsexual and being a Christian are not in any way things that clash...

Instead of looking at transsexuality as a "choice" (like a few very conservative churches consider homosexuality to be), it is more like a physical defect instead of a psychological one. I would liken it to a person born blind or deaf.

If you say that ->-bleeped-<- is not natural, you might as well say being deaf is not natural... most people are not deaf and ears were made for the purpose of hearing. However, being born deaf is a physical defect and is not anyone's fault. It is not by any action of that person that they are deaf, and it is no use blaming God for it because it's not "wrong" to be deaf, it's just an unfortunate natural thing that happens sometimes. Like that, a transgendered person has naturally (and quite unfortunately) been born with the physical defect of having the plumbing of the opposite gender. As medicine advances, like a blind person might get corrective surgery or someone without legs might get a prosthesis, the problem of a transgendered person may be alleviated medically.

I think the negative image comes from when someone says, "transsexual", conservative minds automatically jump to images of cabaret shows or other kinds of night entertainment that isn't usually considered wholesome. However, those are just the transgendered people that stand out and get press. Just as there are "normal people" strip shows and pornography, that doesn't mean that we can assume every "normal" person is lustful and partakes in sinful actions. It is the exact same with transgendered individuals. Just because someone is born "normal", that doesn't mean they will be any more responsible or close to God than a person with gender issues
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kyril

If you're an LGBT Christian and in need of Christian spiritual guidance and counseling, you should find your nearest Episcopal Church or United Church of Christ.


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Calistine

Quote from: emoglassesenvy on July 09, 2010, 05:26:19 AM
being transsexual and being a Christian are not in any way things that clash...

Instead of looking at transsexuality as a "choice" (like a few very conservative churches consider homosexuality to be), it is more like a physical defect instead of a psychological one. I would liken it to a person born blind or deaf.

If you say that ->-bleeped-<- is not natural, you might as well say being deaf is not natural... most people are not deaf and ears were made for the purpose of hearing. However, being born deaf is a physical defect and is not anyone's fault. It is not by any action of that person that they are deaf, and it is no use blaming God for it because it's not "wrong" to be deaf, it's just an unfortunate natural thing that happens sometimes. Like that, a transgendered person has naturally (and quite unfortunately) been born with the physical defect of having the plumbing of the opposite gender. As medicine advances, like a blind person might get corrective surgery or someone without legs might get a prosthesis, the problem of a transgendered person may be alleviated medically.

I think the negative image comes from when someone says, "transsexual", conservative minds automatically jump to images of cabaret shows or other kinds of night entertainment that isn't usually considered wholesome. However, those are just the transgendered people that stand out and get press. Just as there are "normal people" strip shows and pornography, that doesn't mean that we can assume every "normal" person is lustful and partakes in sinful actions. It is the exact same with transgendered individuals. Just because someone is born "normal", that doesn't mean they will be any more responsible or close to God than a person with gender issues
The world could use more people like you. There are those people who get offended by trans people because they are implying that god made a mistake and that they are going to hell.
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Lex

When it comes down to it, I think the only real "problem" God would have with homosexuals is if they put their sexual desires before Him. I think that society and homophobes have blown homosexuality out of proportion. If you are a Believer, then you're most likely trying to put God first no matter what your sexual orientation.. and I'm pretty sure that's what matters most. As far as being trans and having a relationship with God, I feel like it's pretty much the same.. though I know that being trans and fostering any relationship can be difficult at times.

The whole "God made you the way He made you for a reason" thing can be taken many different ways. It could go, "God made me trans and I'm going to fulfill my transition", there's the, "Being trans is an obstacle that I need to overcome and learn to live my life in the body and gender role that is expected of me", and I'm sure there a a load of other perspectives as well.

The point is, if you believe, then talk to God about it. Keep the line of communication open, and do what you feel is best.

-Lex
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JpMKo

I was thinking that same thing some time ago...

And, I say this short, because nobody would read long text I almost sent haha...

So... being transsexual, it's like living in a lie... in a big lie. It causes strong pain inside and might lead the person commit suicide! I don't think God would want anyone suffer like that... and not commit the suicide!

And hey... here, in my country, we even have transsexual (MTF) priest! If God would hate us so much, I don't think she could have continue her work for Him! ;)
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gilligan

I've grown up as a member of a Catholic church, and still believe many of the things that are taught there; I also am an FTM. I see nothing to the contrary there. I may disagree in some of the things I've been taught, but I still consider myself Catholic. Just because I disagree with some of the things the Church teaches doesn't mean I don't believe in God. I actually consider myself more religious than some of my non-trans peers.

I guess my point is there is nothing wrong with being trans and still believe in God, and there also is nothing wrong with disagreeing with some of the things that your church teaches. I just think that it is important that you know who you are and what you believe in.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss
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Radar

Quote from: cynthialee on June 25, 2010, 01:07:41 PMI feel that transition is our personal challenge from god/des. We are being tested to see if we will be true to self in the face of adversity.

I believe this too. Though I still get mad at God sometimes over the situation.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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Myself

If there is a God, an all knowing all powerful omnipotent being.....

Hating people for being gay would be really a waste of.. wow, just a waste. Hating people for doing what they believe in would be worse. I think instead that kind of being either wouldn't care at all or would appreciate somewhat.

Anyways, it's people who define god and what god "wants" and "says"... People do things to get what they want and this fear is useful.

Just do what you feel you have to do, be a good person and if there is someone who is watching over people and sorting them between haven and hell then they will say that you were a good person and let you in haven.. no one will be sent to hell for being something, they would be sent there for doing something wrong. Fixing your self, your "soul" if you have one and your never ending agony is simply not wrong.
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Kentrie

I don't like to be any part a religion, I just read the Bible and do what god says. I think the reason I'm like this has something to do with strength and to help people realize there are different people out there and to accept it and like any other person he wants us to serve him, God said he made us in his image so to me that seems like he has guy and girl parts and he seperated them into different beings. Our parents make the body XX and XY chromosones so that are bodies will be male or female, god gives us the soul which is also male and female or maybe not but this is my opinion. God wants us to be happy and he will make us happy if we serve him, he gave knowledge to humans so why would he give the knowledge of how to make a bio male female, and a bio female male if he hated us, I hear some people say Satan shows them how to do that but god has the power to cancel out everything Satan does, he can also make it fail.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Aegir

I'm a rebel-without-a-cause ->-bleeped-<- as well as an atheist myself, but even when I was religious I figured a God who would make people a certain way and then hate them for it wasn't worth our love. If God's worth your love, God doesn't hate you for who you are.
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