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Co-workers and accidental pronouns

Started by Valeriedances, October 11, 2010, 09:49:17 AM

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Kristyn

Hi Valerie. sorry to hear about these incidences you are experiencing.  These are things that really need to be nipped in the bud early because, if left alone, they can escalate to abuse.  If I were you, I would speak to the employee who misspoke using the wrong pronoun and tactfully set the record straight.  At the same time, I would bring up the incident with your supervisor(s) and mention the discussion you had with said co-worker just for the record--this way, should anything escalate to an abusive situation, you have a record of what has transpired.  You've worked with these people for eight years, they've experienced your transition, therefore they should be respectful and use the correct pronouns when referring to you--no excuses.  Please don't be afraid to speak up, but do so with diplomacy and tact.  I know exactly how you feel as I have been there myself.  Hope all works well for you  :)

Kristyn
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Kristyn

OK.  Then singing will definitely help with your problem.  It will teach you how to project your voice while maintaining the same pitch.  It helped me and I'm sure it could it help you as well.  You don't have to be a pro and you don't have to do it in public.  Just find some music you like and work it--but really work it.  You'll find that overtime you will be able to maintain a female sounding voice without it breaking up.  You don't even have to sing to traditionally female songs either.  Most of the songs I do are all performed by males.
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Kristyn

It doesn't have to be a female singer--just use your own voice and sing in the female range.  A good warm up is to sing the scale of A flat.  Here is a link for you to use

http://www.your-personal-singing-guide.com/musical-scales-warmup.html

Don't try to emulate other vocalists, otherwise you will never find nor be comfortable with your own voice.  You can also cause damage and become discouraged
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Fencesitter

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Hi Valerie (what a beautiful name, by the way!),

I understand that this situation pissed you off.

I don't know if this helps you, but my mom is the kind of extroverted person who talks before she thinks. Since I was a kid - and long before coming out, mind you - she sometimes accidentally used my father's name instead of mine when she addressed me (like: Ted, er, Cathrin, would you like some more tea?, or even better: "TedCathryn..."). She sometimes also mixed up other people's names, even of her family. But that's my mom.

There is also an annual transsexuals/transgender meeting, the biggest of Germany, which I attend. Takes a whole week-end, it is awesome, but at the meeting last year, after two days, I made a pronoun slip and immediately excused saying: "Well, I've been at this meeting for two days, lots of new impressions in a short time, my brain is short from exploding, and it gets confusing here after a while..." Everybody laughed, and the person who I had addressed wrongly laughed as well.

I studied linguistics and had a course about slips of the tongue. The fact that you get to deal with accidental pronouns only every couple of months is a good sign that the colleagues around you really see you as a woman, otherwise they would happen more often. There are two possibilities how these pronoun slips of the tongue may happen for transsexuals - or people with a transsexual past:

1. These colleagues are somewhat aware of your "male mode" past, at least occasionally and subconsciously, so this slip of the tongue happens. But it seems to be rarely in their minds as you only get addressed with male pronouns rarely. Congrats! The same kind of things may happen to people who got married and are not Mr. Brown any more, but Mr. Smith now.

2. The same reason why other certain slips of the tongue happen. "He" and "she" are two opposites and closely linked in the mind. When a person speaks, they already start building the next sentences in their mind, certain words and the concepts related to them are activated in the brain network. Usually, the strongest activation is on the "target word", but it may happen that related words are also activated in your brain. If something goes wrong during computing, you get a slip of the tongue, for example saying "green" instead of "blue" as both are activated and both are colors, though "blue" has a stronger activation. It is rather unusual, in contrast, to say "Boston" or "agreeable" instead of "blue" as there is no/almost no simultaneous activation.

The same happens with "he" and "she", both are strongly related, grammatically interchangeable, the only difference is the gender. This is probably the reason why you had the slip of the tongue with the latin guy at the pool.

From my perspective, I'd say that you're not just tolerated, but completely accepted with your female identity at work, and regarded as female. Slips of the tongue would be much more frequent otherwise. Most of the slips you get are residues of a past long time ago...
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Radar

My God, I know exactly what you mean. You can read my thread on this exact topic here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,85035.0.html

Now, I did come out to the entire company just in August, but I was hoping for better results by now. It's a small company so throughout the day people talk to me alot and refer about me alot. There is some improvement, but it's very, very, very slow. I have to keep on them and remind them all. the. time.

The saddest part is I look, sound, dress and act male. I pass almost all the time and our clients see me as male. If something walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and looks like a duck why is it so hard for people to call it a duck?

I know my changes have been gradual so my workplace has adapted to the changes, but seriously? If everyone else sees and perceives me as male why is this so hard for them? I hear the excuse "it's so hard to remember". Bulls**t. Not when I remind you 50 times a day!

If things don't improve then once I'm farther into transition I'm looking for a new place to work. I'm starting to believe a clean slate is the only thing that will work.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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sneakersjay

Still happens to me at work 2 yrs later, though rare it bites.  I just ignore it, though the other day a coworker was teasing me about something and accidentally called me chickie, and I'm like what?!  And she apologized.  I knew it wasn't intentional, but yeah coworkers who knew before will slip up when they're not thinking.

But yeah, I want to move on as well for this reason.


Jay


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Fencesitter

Quote from: Valeriedances on October 13, 2010, 09:47:49 AMThis was brilliantly stated and thought out, it should be a sticky. It has power in its truth and also is healing to those of us hurt by slip-ups if we can understand why it happens and not see it as a judgment.

How can I apply for stickies here? I'd like to perfection my slobby statement for trans people and make it a worthwhile sticky, maybe also for the Susan's Wiki.

Mind you, I had to change my preferred name from Eric to Robin for juristical reasons one year after getting everyone used to Eric (I needed a neutral name, so I had to swap, I have weird nationalities). And though most people around me thought Robin suited me better than Eric and got adapted to it much easier (!), the change was difficult for some people around me, including other transsexuals. I dated an MTF since "Eric" times and during the first year of me being "Robin" and she made lots of Eric/Robin slips of the tongue and was like - now I understand why my parents have such a hard time adapting to my new name and sometimes slip it. It helped her understand her parents better. Well I always understood my parents well as I studied linguistics. They still make slips of the tongue frequently, and these still hurt, but I know what's behind it.
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sneakersjay

Speaking of pronoun fails, today SUCKED.

A coworker (F) mentioned highway traffic.  Another coworker (also F), chimes in and asks me if I drive a certain way home (I was leaving, they were arriving), as that entrance ramp to the highway was blocked.  So second coworker gets into a discussion with the manager (M) and they start talking about which way I should go, but are talking to each other and not me.  Manager calls me she and her;  coworker continues with the wrong pronouns.

This took place in front of 2 new (both M) employees who I am NOT out to.  I didn't say anything at the time, hoping they just thought they were referring to the original coworker (F) and not me, or that they really weren't paying attention.  Didn't want to bring attention to it or make a big deal out of it in front of everyone (there were other coworkers there too).

I did take the manager aside afterwards and remind him.  He apologized, and I told him he was going to look senile (he's in his 60s).  He promised to do better. 

ACK.  I want a new job.  I'm so over this.


Jay


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Lacey Lynne

Hi Valerie:

Girl, I feel for you.  It just takes time.  Honestly, some people who "knew you when" will never "get it" and will do this.  You just have to roll with it, painful as that may be. 

Everybody is different.  Some people are more sensitive.  Time has a way of healing things.  Give it time.  Most folks will come around.  We transfolk tend to loose sight of how far-out we are to your everyday person in the larger society.  Time is on your side.  Most will use the right pronouns and names in time.  They're just forming new habits, and that takes a while to do.  Good luck!
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