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Started by torysorus, September 27, 2010, 09:26:24 PM

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torysorus

hello. my name is tory, i am a 16 year old... person, and im not sure about pretty much everything.

now, please don't judge me for not knowing for sure if i am gender confused, but i really am confused about this. For the whole life of mine that i can remember, i have asked myself "why am i not a guy?" and the usual response i give myself is "because god wanted to make you miserable, that why." I have always dressed in guys cloths, mostly hang-me-downs from my older brother, and i have felt completely comfertable in them. when my mom tried to make me dress in girly cloths, i would basicly full out refuse, but end up being forced to wear them anyway.

when i came out to my mom that i am lesbian, (she already thought she forced the whole guy thing out of me and  thought that i didnt want to be a guy anymore), she just told me that was a fase and it will pass. my dad, he was just like, okay, whatever about it. but, now that i am even more... focused on this confusion than ever, im just scared that she'll disown me or something if i tell her that i am really a guy at heart.. and mind.


i have a girlfriend, and we've been dating for 7 months, and just resently i asked her if she ever felt this way. she said that she thinks it would be a intersting experiance to be a guy for one day, i then told her what i thought about it , which is that i just figure that i would be happier in general if i were a guy. i have always wished that i was born a guy instead a girl. i told that i wanted to wear actual guys cloths without the stupid people calling me a dyke, i wanted (and i actually told her this XP) to shamlessly flirt with girls without having to worry about them be not beng gay. and when ever we makeout and stuff, and i get... excited, its like theres this phantom penis there. like it feel like i should be having a erection or something, but nothing is there! its just really frustrating me and.. i just dont really know what to do.

i wanted to ask your guys opinions on this because i didnt want to ask my parents "hey, can we drive over to this threapist office, so i can talk to them. im not gonna tell you what its about, can you just drive me there?"

so, yeah. sorry for any spelling errors and stuff, and the fact that this was kind of me ranting about my life.
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Robert Scott


Welcome to the board!!!

There are lots of folks here who have walked in your shoes.  There is no right or wrong answer in life ... just live your life in a way that makes you happy.  Exploring your gender identity isn't a negative thing -- it might be the best thing for you!

Read other posts -- you will be surprised the similarities you have with other guys here -- but everyone is different. 

Keep asking your questions.  Keep challenging the norm -- do what you need to do to be happy.

Are you in school?  Is there a counselor at school that you can bounce things off of?  Do you have a GLBT group that you can talk to the advisor.  Call a GLBT hotline -- reaching out is a good thing
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kyril

It looks like you have two things going on there:
(1) the idea that your life would be easier if people didn't perceive you as gay. This is something a lot of gay people go through, but it's absolutely not a reason to transition. Unfortunately there are countries that force transition on people who are gay, or who kill gay people but not trans people (which amounts to the same thing) - this is a terrible violation of human rights. You should have the right to live your life in a female body without being harassed, if in fact you are a lesbian and that's what you want to do - people are working on making things better, and we're getting closer every day to equal rights for GLB folks.

(2) the idea that you are, want to be, or should have been male, complete with phantom penis sensations. This is trans stuff. If this is a longstanding, deep-seated issue with you, and it sounds liek it is, then you may very well be trans. So welcome to Susan's, stick around, see if spending some time here clarifies things for you. It did for me :)


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loz21

thats how am feeling at the moment, am confused about who I am in terms of gender or sexuality. Alot of how I feel relates to being trans. I always felt different to other girls, I was never a girly girl growing up or us an adult. I always been comfortable in guys clothes and pretty much as long as I can remember I refused to wear dress and skirts and when I had to I hated it. When I was younger I did dream or want to have a penis. I always wanted when growing up to play sport with the boys instead of doing girl things. When i hit puberty I didn't want breast or like the fact that i was growing breast.  I hate female periods and have always thought I would prefer to shave than have periods.
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GamerJames

Welcome torysorus and loz21. As others have said, it's something that nobody can tell you but yourself. So jump right in and start exploring. Read any threads that jump out at you, have conversations, and just allow yourself to take things a little bit at a time. There's no rush to decide who/what you are/should be, so just get to know people around here as you also get to know yourself. :)
♫ Oh give me a home, where the trans people roam, and the queers and the androgynes play... ♫

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Bluetraveler

Hello tory, I've been gender-confused for 10 years. It's a difficult topic to explore, it's not so surprising you may feel this way whatever your gender is.
Copypasting from a thread I made, here's my gender story in a nutshell. I don't know if you may see a little bit of yourself in it, anyway hope it helps


uldn't due to being busy and tired. I strongly hope this will be viewed by as many people as possible, as I've noticed that many trans-related forums rarely host stories of people who, during some stage of transition, actually change their minds: regret stories, detransitioners, confused people. Unfortunately, the prevailing attitude I see towards potential transgender people like many in this board and myself, not too long ago, is "if you say and are convinced you are gender x then you ARE gender x, ignore all those who say otherwise or might question you", "if your shrink doesn't agree with you then find a new one who does" and such...only stepping outside of this dangerous narcissistic point of view made me realize that what I had come to label as my "->-bleeped-<-" was nothing more than the sum of my own internalized "patriarchial" belief that female=inferior, subsequent shame of being seen as such and of the shock due to my precocious, unwanted puberty (as well as a fair dose of tomboyishness). A a disclaimer, I do think transsexuality may be a valid condition...but not all transitioned transsexuals are necessarily true transsexuals (as I wouldn't have been had I pursued my foolish mind at the time). I also do not want to attack anyone, merely help those who might find themselves in my same situation: a gender-confused girl who believed herself to really be male and in the end was quite sure of it. And luckily BACKED OFF before irreversible chemical and/or surgical damage was done.

When I was little, I was neither too girly or too boyish: my mom loved dressing me up, and on occasion I did too; I also loved some typical male activities like fighting, videogaming (well, at the time), mountain-biking...at that moment I did not have body dysphoria, though I resented the fact males would be stronger when adults, and my role models were mostly cool male heroes, or, even better, "sworn virgin-type" characters: females in typical male "roles" (often warriors) who never sullied themselved with feminine behaviour. I wanted to beat the males at their own games, for, you see, that was cool...unlike staying in the (toy) kitchen, playing house, you get the picture (I still don't long for those things). I also had a fair share of girl toys, though (anybody remembers Polly Pocket? I had at least 25 of them...), and a bit of a girly side which complemented my tomboyish one. In my little head, the concepts of honor and "masculinity" were closely connected: you could say I grew up with some of the anxieties a little boy might experience, in this regard (be strong! Be cool! Don't cry! Kisses are ewww! Never ask others for help...) One complex in particular scarred my mind: that if a woman were to love, and be loved, by a man, or worse (I didn't fully comprehend sex at age 3, duh), she would lose her honor, she would be inferior because she would be inherently "feminized". This, I believe, is the first nucleus on which my transgender feelings would harbor.
Puberty unfortunately hit me at 10 (I have stopped growing significantly ever since, I'm 5'3), and that, coupled with a sucky metabolism which made me gain weight even though I ate next to nothing, was a big shock: buying my first bra when the other girls jut started having breast buds, menstruating when essentially still a child...and to all of the girls, why me? Of all female classmates, I was definitely the least girly. This unpleasant experience, coupled with new expectations and strange new looks from men, further strengthened the equation female=bad. A true woman, a honorable woman would do all she could to compensate for her natural weaknessess...
With my first crush I had a strange relationship: he was a 12-year-old boy,a karateka in my karate course and also a videogamer. I couldn't admit to myself I liked him, that would have been too feminizing, thus disempowering: he then had to be my role model (which he would also have sorta been, anyway, if I hadn't had that weird complex). We got out of touch as he changed schools and have never really seen him again ever since. At a certain point I had to stop seeing him because I would not stop blushing (pale skin ahoy!).
Middle school was HELL for me: I became a sort of "distant genius", not concerned with gender or sexuality which instead were running rampant in my classmates (I was also in a sort of ghetto town to boot). When I finally gained access to the Internet, I slowly researched things like sexlessness and came across the concept of transsexuality and ->-bleeped-<-, mainly due to the site hosted by Jennifer Diane Reitz, a transsexual woman who I suspect now might have transitioned because, au contraire, she saw men as the ultimate evil. She is NOT to be trusted in these issues: she claims utter scientific validity despite having no credentials and citing no works whatsoever. She also developed a test for unsure, potential MtFs (the COGIATI) which is, to put it gently, a piece of crap which together with her site on transsexuality should be wiped off the earth. I seriously hope no MtF decided to transition based on this "test". But I was young and guillible, and she sounded so dead sure...her site offered a neat explanation for my supposedly strange condition of hating my female body: my brain wasn't female at all! I nurtured the idea for a while, deciding, time after time, it looked sound in my case. Although not still identifying as male, but more in the "twilight zone" of androgyne/neuter, I starte acquiring all the information I could on transsexuality, visiting transsexual boards (I could relate to the FtM complaints about the chest, menstruations, almost everything), and crossressing: this made me realize how too female my body was for my tastes (mainly for the extra weight I had, I store it in a hourglass fashion)...I started having some body dysphoria and admiring the lean, long and muscular bodies of my male classmates. This, in turn, validated my suspicions of TG-ness. All of this happened very slowly, in the span of 2 or 3 years.
It so happened that in the last year of high school I was in a male-only class (we were in a physics-oriented class, very difficult) and I finally noticed how much easier was socializing among males as a sort of "boy", and how much better things would have been had I been born male. I was almost sure I was TG: I gradually stopped wearing even vaguely female clothing, opting for a more androgynous and elegant attire, cut my hair short and dyed it outrageous colors, had my body dysphoria intensified to a point I even felt a phantom penis and was getting male body envy all over! The flat chest, the hipster beard, the hardened skin, everything...(though I could forego baldness eh). I started running like hell to lose weight and finally did it: I was passable as a young, somewhat pretty boy without my long-standing thigh fat. I imagined a full transition in my future, a transition that finally could have given me everything I'd lost being born female: I'd lose my social ankwardness, I'd feel at home with my body and would be a good-looking man (a mostly gay one though), I'd forget the pain female puberty had brought me, I'd be cool...life was about transitioning, or not.
At the same time, horrendous doubts were stalking me in those long night hours, but I brushed them off as more and more people perceived me as a boy, or at least as a "?". That high I got, I realized later, was really shallow, and I myself was extremely shallow and vain in that period. I visited TS forums even more, including this one, for helpful passing tips, topics of TG interest, female body hate rants...
But I was not happy; in fact, the pursuing of masculinity was consuming every single moment of my life. I was like a parasite, pursuing this male fantasy with little regard to anything else, modifying and destroying my female identity one piece at a time, like a snake eating itself. One possibly fatal accident (I and my father risked being run over by his tractor) one day changed that extremely vain, narcissistic perspective, and I started questioning my story and my transgenderedness not as a given as I used to do. I read the story of a detransitioner (now thankfully happy) and saw the extremely sad story of a FtM who clearly did NOT have to transition...and then it hit me. I wasn't TG, I was just a confused, troubled, vain girl who chased a stupid and possibly fatal fantasy. And as I realized that, my body dysphoria vanished and I understood how much pain I had caused to myself and my family.
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torysorus

thank you for the welcomes and advice guys! :)
these last few days have been really confusing for me because i was just thinking about this over and over again. i noticed when i read threads about similar stuff, i noticed that they all felt "traped in the wrong body", but i dont really feel this way. its just that i feel a bit uncomfertable in my body, and not because of the usual teenage girl reasons like "i'm fat, i hate my lovehandles, i wish i didnt have celulite", that kind of stuff. the ways that i feel uncomfertable is that i feel like i shouldnt have boobs, and that there's this small feeling that something is missing, downstairs. and when i started to think about this, i always asked myself "do i really feel this way? am i really that uncomfertable with my body to change?" and i just dont know. but then i thought "why cant i be a bit of both? why do i have to be a boy OR a girl?" so, i guess for right now, i am gender neutral, and until i see a thrapists and get this confusion straightend out, ill stay that way.

thanks for helping me out a bit :)
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Lepidoptera

Quote from: torysorus on September 29, 2010, 08:21:15 PMi noticed when i read threads about similar stuff, i noticed that they all felt "traped in the wrong body", but i dont really feel this way.

That isn't how everyone feels! Some people report that experience, but many, many people don't. My body is my body and I'm not trapped in someone else's. It's just not "right." I close my eyes and I can almost feel how it's supposed to be, to the point where I can forget that I have breasts and don't have a penis
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Kentrie

After reading that I have to question myself, I hate questioning myself. I can relate but my body feels right to me, I'm not in the wrong body but I have always hated certain body parts. This has nothing to do with being tough or wanting to be a boy because I feel females are inferior. Females are not inferior at all, I do not have a phantom penis but do you have to have one to be FTM? I have always seen myself as male, not a tough female but male. I can deal with my body as of right now because I have learned to shut off all thought and feeling. I feel male, not female in any way. Like I said I'm angry because I hate to question myself and what if I decide that I am not FTM and do not do anything and 20 years later I regret not doing anything. How do I know if I'm like this?
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Alexmakenoise

I don't have any negative feelings about my body.  I do think that a male body would be more appropriate for me, and would be more comfortable, because I consider myself male.  But I'm not exactly eager to make physical changes.  My body is what I'm used to, and I accept it.  In fact, I'm not eager to transition at all.  But I'm realizing it may be inevitable, or in my best interest in the long run.

My experience of being trans is more of an internal / personality thing than a physical thing.  It's like I'm naturally male and just plain suck at pretending to be female.  I've tried to accept my situation and live as a guy in a female body, but my experiences keep confirming that it's just not right, that I'd probably be happier living as a guy.

And yeah, I have a phantom penis, like to imagine myself with a flat chest, etc.  But I'm not preoccupied with these things.  They're just minor inconveniences compared to the rest of the trans experience, for me.
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Devyn

Quote from: torysorus on September 29, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
thank you for the welcomes and advice guys! :)
these last few days have been really confusing for me because i was just thinking about this over and over again. i noticed when i read threads about similar stuff, i noticed that they all felt "traped in the wrong body", but i dont really feel this way. its just that i feel a bit uncomfertable in my body, and not because of the usual teenage girl reasons like "i'm fat, i hate my lovehandles, i wish i didnt have celulite", that kind of stuff. the ways that i feel uncomfertable is that i feel like i shouldnt have boobs, and that there's this small feeling that something is missing, downstairs. and when i started to think about this, i always asked myself "do i really feel this way? am i really that uncomfertable with my body to change?" and i just dont know. but then i thought "why cant i be a bit of both? why do i have to be a boy OR a girl?" so, i guess for right now, i am gender neutral, and until i see a thrapists and get this confusion straightend out, ill stay that way.

thanks for helping me out a bit :)


I've never felt "trapped in the wrong body", just that my body was wrong and that something was missing. When I was about 3-4, I was well aware my body was female. I knew the exact differences between a male and female and I was jealous of the boys - and I dreaded growing up into a woman; I wanted to be one of the boys. I didn't want to grow up and have to marry one of those ugly boys. I wanted to be a boy, grow up, and marry a girl. I never actually thought about how I felt and still feel about my gender until a few months ago because I didn't want to think I was weird. I considered myself a lesbian for awhile, and then bisexual, and then genderqueer, until I realized I'm a bisexual FtM.

Every time I would spend the night at a girl's house for a sleepover or something, we would start talking until 3 AM and I would confess that I really hate my boobs. Though I always just brushed that feeling off because I thought that maybe that feeling was just me being self-conscious of the mole/birthmark on my chest. I've always been very open about how I feel about my body. I talk about it a lot too. Then again, I'm very blunt and impulsive. If I want to say something to you, I'll walk up to you and say it to your face. If I'm intently thinking about something, I'll most likely say it outloud without knowing.

Anyway, now I'm just rambling and nobody wants to hear my life story.

Good luck! If you need someone to talk to, feel free to message me. ;D
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