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Started by tori319, September 24, 2010, 02:19:31 AM

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tori319

I went to see my therapist today and he suggested I meet some trans people in real life.He said they may be able to help me come out and we could share experiences.I guess this sounds kind of weird but if any of you guys or girls is willing to meet and talk to me that would be great.I live in near L.A. in SoCal.I hope this isn't too weird.
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lilacwoman

I'm inclined to think that the vast majority of MtFs will have felt the urge to be among others in clubs or TS groups and be able to be dressed female long before seeking a therapist.
Practically every TS I've met over the last 10 years has done this route. Some shrink once said 'all TS start by crossdressing but not all corssdressers are TS' and I go along with that.

FtMs may be different as they don't have the dress issues of the MtF.

What I found amusing at the local gender clinic drop in afternoon was one of the men claiming to be TS who had zero femaleness and physically and wore male clothes and shoes but wanted genital surgery so as to be able to go into the female changing rooms at the pool.
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aubrey

Tori there are a LOT of services and options available to you in L.A. Groups, other therapists, doctors, GLBT centers, clubs if that's your thing, etc....why didn't your therapist refer you to any of these?
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Hermione01

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 24, 2010, 02:42:19 AM

What I found amusing at the local gender clinic drop in afternoon was one of the men claiming to be TS who had zero femaleness and physically and wore male clothes and shoes but wanted genital surgery so as to be able to go into the female changing rooms at the pool.

You meet the most interesting people lilacwoman.  :o
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tori319

Quote from: mija on September 24, 2010, 03:31:35 AM
Tori there are a LOT of services and options available to you in L.A. Groups, other therapists, doctors, GLBT centers, clubs if that's your thing, etc....why didn't your therapist refer you to any of these?
I don't know he just told me to meet trans people in real life.I've never been to any groups or anything like that so I'm pretty clueless.He doesn't specialize in people with GID so that might have something to do with it.Sorry I guess this does come off as weird,do you have any suggestions?
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spacial

tori

I've always wanted to meet some transgendered people in real life as well. I probably have met quite a few, but never been aware. With the exception of a few who have previously been identified.

I have still to meet a transgenderd person. Perhaps I'm a bit too willing to accept people on face value. I like to think that any transgendered people I may have come into contact with just look the part.

So, perhaps a TG club of similar may be the only way.

As for you building up the confidence to come out. I have to say I really hate that very American of notions.

But this is something, in my experience, that you need to do in your own time. Perhaps you could start by packing a load of outfits into a suitcase and going off somewhere for a long weekend?
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tori319

I think I'll just Google some groups and see what I come up with.
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Tippe

I'd say it's very important to consider where you want to end in the very beginning of transition. If you want to become known as a person who was always a woman, then you'd have to carefully consider who you make contact with, which name you give out etc., because otherwise too many people are going to know about your transgender past for you to blend in later. While there are certain advantages to this approach, there are definately also drawbacks such as having to leave behind old relations and family and keeping away from the people who could offer you support in the changes you are going to go through.

On the other hand, I believe most transgender people find themselves in a position where they either for biologic reasons such as height or voice, for social reasons such as family or for moral reasons are not able or willing to hide their past lives. I personally choose to be open about my transition and I believe I have benefitted from it, when compared to the few hiding persons I've met, who have confided in me. I also recently read a statement from an IBM manager, who claimed openly gay employees were 20-30 percent more effective than closetted gay people. I'd expect the difference to be even greater when comparing transgender people since the stigma upon us is way stronger than the stigma upon homosexuals.

I believe contact with other transgender people can help a great deal in the process you're going through. It will make you feel less alone in your transition and you'll hopefully find people who have gone through many of the same feelings and thoughts as yourself. Contact with the transgender community as well as reading about ->-bleeped-<- is highly recommended in the Standards of Care. From other fields we know that support groups improve the ability to cope with difficult circumstances. For instance cancer patients going through chemo therapy are often very much affected by the hair loss they experience, but a study of young patients going to a summer camp for cancer patients found that they viewed the body changes in a more positive light than those who did not go. Some of them explained that seeing other people go through the same body changes made them feel less freaky about themselves and others even described how they learned to do 'head art' such as body painting their head or making their own bandanas to cover the balding.
As a transgender it will probably be very helpful for you to have a female shopping partner and a girl who can help you learn makeup and styling.

But again you're going to have to choose whether you will want to be able to hide away from the world later or not very early in your transition, because if you start transition at work you might find yourself outed later by former coworkers in a completely different setting. As an example one of my coworkers at a practical trainings place appears to have seen me in a figure skating show three years ago when I was not fully passable and appears to know a lot of my friends. Another example is that when I joined my current women's only class at school I thought I would try not to tell about my past, but at the very first party one of my class mates came over and said she should greet me from a common acquaintance whom I worked with almost a year ago. I am out and proud, so no problem about that and in fact I prefer to know that I'm accepted as a person in spite of being transgendered, but I know some people would be uncomfortable in this situation.



Tippe
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Mara

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 24, 2010, 02:42:19 AM
I'm inclined to think that the vast majority of MtFs will have felt the urge to be among others in clubs or TS groups and be able to be dressed female long before seeking a therapist.
Practically every TS I've met over the last 10 years has done this route. Some shrink once said 'all TS start by crossdressing but not all corssdressers are TS' and I go along with that.

You've met an unusual group of trans women, then, and that shrink is misinformed.  A huge percentage of us never dress female until after starting hormones.  I didn't start at all until about a month before hormones.  I think it's important to fight against misinformation like this because it can delay transition for quite a few people who really need it.
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Rosa

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 24, 2010, 02:42:19 AM
I'm inclined to think that the vast majority of MtFs will have felt the urge to be among others in clubs or TS groups and be able to be dressed female long before seeking a therapist.
Practically every TS I've met over the last 10 years has done this route. Some shrink once said 'all TS start by crossdressing but not all corssdressers are TS' and I go along with that.

FtMs may be different as they don't have the dress issues of the MtF.
I've never cross-dressed before and don't have an overwhelming urge to do so.  To me, clothes are not the most important thing, though I would love to be free to wear what I like and I know that day will come when I can wear a blouse or skirt if I want to.  (I don't want a va jay jay so I can go into womens' dressing rooms - that's kinda spooky).

@Tori:  I don't know what part of the OC you are in, but here is a great place:

The Center Orange County
1605 N. Spurgeon St.
Santa Ana, CA 92701
(714) 953-LGBT (5428)

Link to their transgender resources:  http://www.thecenteroc.org/Programs/TransgenderResources/
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tori319

Tippe: I only go to school right now so coming out at work isn't a problem.I plan on being open about being trans,I've lived as a boy for 19 years and while it wasn't exactly a bed of roses there were some good times and I don't want to pretend that those years never happened.I've been searching but I have yet to find a group.

Robertina:I don't live in OC I live in Torrance near Los Angeles.Thanks for your help though.
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Lacey Lynne

Three things:

First, if you want to get to know some real, live transpersons, then certainly seek them out and meet them.  In your area, there are apt to be places where you can. 

Second, make your own decisions about what is right for you as you start and continue the transition process if that is what you want to do.  I agree with Tippe and others on this thread about being "out and open" about transition.  I am and also am willing to accept that some people will not think well of me on account of that.  That's good.  Know why?  Because, I don't want to know people like that and can readily identify them and avoid them by being forthcoming and honest about being transsexual and in transition.  It's a weaning and winnowing process in your favor ultimately.  Sift and sort, shake and bake away the people who won't accept you.  You neither need nor want them in your life.

Third, all of us are different.  Do your transition and your coming out your way.  It seems that in any human endeavor as it becomes known and established that "the insiders" develop an orthodoxy and declare and dictate:  "This is how it should be done."  I beg to differ.  Just be you.  That's more than good enough.  Want to cross-dress?  Do.  Don't want to cross-dress?  Don't.  Want SRS/GRS?  Get it.  Don't want SRS/GRS?  Skip it.  Nobody knows you like you know you.  Do your own thing.  As long as you don't hurt anybody else while doing it, who (besides moral absolutists) is to say you nay?

Live your own life and enjoy it!   
Believe.  Persist.  Arrive.    :D



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lilacwoman

I'm pretty sure the crossdressing quote is Harry Benjamin's so I'll put it up against any modern therapist. 
If a person doesn't feel the need to crossdress then surely they are happy in male mode?
It would be interesting to know how many FtMs are happy to be fem as I'm under the impression that that is the last thing thye want.

Every largish town and city will have some LGBT groups or friendly pubs/clubs holding weekly LGBT nights where all newbies are welcome so go find one and go spend an hour or two in male mode and you'll soon realise that you'll be welcome in female mode whatever you look like.   Don't order a pint of beer though...ask for a ladylike shorter drink.   :D

Stepping into such a place will be no harder than stepping into a therapist's office.
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Smith

for me, the most important is our inside, if we always thing that I'm a woman, we can prove from our attitude as woman, speaking like a real woman, do like as other woman, so this is the woman's life that I want to be, I don't care anyone else.
It doesn't mean a woman has to use dress when going out, sometimes just using shirt, trousers, like any woman else.

The most important is inside of us, if we thing that we are a woman, just do like as other woman else.
So, the point is, to meets transgender people in our circumstances is second level for me....hihi
Sometimes that I don't like in the transgender group in reality life, they do like as prostitute, this is really I hate, I don't like it.
It's just my opinion...hihi :-* :-* :-*
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Dana Lane

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 24, 2010, 02:42:19 AM
I'm inclined to think that the vast majority of MtFs will have felt the urge to be among others in clubs or TS groups and be able to be dressed female long before seeking a therapist.
Practically every TS I've met over the last 10 years has done this route. Some shrink once said 'all TS start by crossdressing but not all corssdressers are TS' and I go along with that.

FtMs may be different as they don't have the dress issues of the MtF.

What I found amusing at the local gender clinic drop in afternoon was one of the men claiming to be TS who had zero femaleness and physically and wore male clothes and shoes but wanted genital surgery so as to be able to go into the female changing rooms at the pool.

I have never been a crossdresser.
============
Former TS Separatist who feels deep regret
http://www.transadvocate.com/category/dana-taylor
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Karla

For me I wasn't really a cross dresser either, I changed my clothes with how much my body, perception and comfort levels changed and all those seem to keep adjusting themselves all the time.

Now when I have to put on masculine looking wardrobe for whatever reason /then/ I feel like I'm crossdressing. ::)
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lilacwoman

Quote from: Smith on September 28, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
for me, the most important is our inside, if we always thing that I'm a woman, we can prove from our attitude as woman, speaking like a real woman, do like as other woman, so this is the woman's life that I want to be, I don't care anyone else.
It doesn't mean a woman has to use dress when going out, sometimes just using shirt, trousers, like any woman else.

The most important is inside of us, if we thing that we are a woman, just do like as other woman else.
So, the point is, to meets transgender people in our circumstances is second level for me....hihi
Sometimes that I don't like in the transgender group in reality life, they do like as prostitute, this is really I hate, I don't like it.
It's just my opinion...hihi :-* :-* :-*

ok so now you've fallen into your own rhetoric so please give us an example of 'speaking like a real woman.'
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Smith

I'm not the expert about this, from my experience, let it be nature, clear, calm, smooth and feminim (is depends on the estrogen also I think, but I don't know exactly, maybe doctor know about this), since has been taking estrogen (I'm on hrt and 9 months precisely), the voice has changed, it's just happent, I think estrogen is powerful potion to change us become more feminim, the body, skin, face, and even voice, and the most important also is our mind, if we always thing that we are a woman, yes indeed we are a woman in this life. :D :D :D
Quote from: lilacwoman on September 28, 2010, 12:40:26 PM
ok so now you've fallen into your own rhetoric so please give us an example of 'speaking like a real woman.'
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 27, 2010, 01:28:51 PM
If a person doesn't feel the need to crossdress then surely they are happy in male mode?

I can't speak for everybody, but as somebody with a male shape, when I see my figure in female clothes I get more dysphoric simply because I am reminded of how masculine my appearance is. Also, crossdressing behind closed doors just reminds me of how I can't go out in the real world and be considered a girl, so I am restricted to being considered female only in my own mind, which is also disheartening. Being unhappy with your appearance (as it is too masculine), thus avoiding further self disgust, doesn't mean you are happy in male mode.

Yes, I started crossdressing at an early age (12 or so) but I've also felt like my gender aligned to female long before I started crossdressing. I've "wished I was born a girl" long before putting on my first dress.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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ggina

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on September 30, 2010, 12:00:28 PM
as somebody with a male shape, when I see my figure in female clothes I get more dysphoric simply because I am reminded of how masculine my appearance is.

This is exactly why I stopped dressing in my teens, when my body started to masculinize more and more. And that was the end of it for good, nobody will ever see me in skirts and heels and such that's for sure :) I dress androgynously not because I'm one but out of necessity. And as I'm getting ahead in hrt, my female behavior and face (hopefully) will compensate for that so people I encounter won't be confused about my gender. And this is all I aim for, it's enough. And anyway, never liked to show off what I have, I don't need to be seen as female from 100 yards or so, being just not that type of personality. One has to be realistic about fitting in and this is something many people tend to forget. Sure, dreams are good but we don't live there :)

Quote from: Robertina
To me, clothes are not the most important thing
it's good to find someone who thinks similarly :) Contrary to popular belief, clothes don't make a woman. Or do they? well they certainly don't make ME.

oh, sorry to talk about dressing, this is off here... but to say something on: without being offensive to anybody, I hope I never meet any transpeople in my life :) For me, you here at susans are perfect to learn from and anything else I'll just figure out myself... But I've always been self-taught, I don't mind if it's slow, I have time...

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