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Started by littlemonster, October 13, 2010, 10:05:10 PM

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littlemonster

Up until recently, I could count the number of times that I had passed on one hand, and most of those instances ended with the person correcting their embarrassing error.  Since I started T, however, I think my confidence in my male self has multiplied exponentially and that is reflected in how people see me - they are more likely to see me as male when I feel so comfortably male.  Granted, the tiny drop in pitch and a hair trim probably help, too. 

What I have noticed, though, is that when I do pass, it tends to be with men rather than women.  At work, where I am a minimum wage food establishment worker drone, I see lots of people, and it's the men that give me "son", "dude", "bro", "buddy", "he", etc.  Women, a vast majority of the time, will refer to me as female with little hesitation. 

I'm curious to know if anyone else has noticed a difference in the way they are perceived by men and women. 

Are women more apt to pick up on our naturally female-dominant features, recognizing us as one of them?   I had always thought that convincing other men would be my greatest challenge.  Turns out it's been the other way around. 

Along the same lines, does anyone feel that it is more important to pass in the eyes of one gender or the other?  To me, passing in itself is a monumental accomplishment because I have a very feminine base to work with, and I receive oodles of confidence and a stupid smile everytime I am perceived as male. 

Just been chewing on these thoughts over the past few days, and I was interested to see if anyone had any thoughts.
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jmaxley

I've found that I pass a lot better with guys than girls.

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M.Grimm

I run into this. 95% of the guys I interact with refer to me as a guy, or they refrain from using any kind of pronoun or signifier because they aren't totally sure until they hear me speak. Meanwhile, 80% of the women I interact with refer to me as female and the unsure ones STILL use female words for me in a hesitant way. I know it's funny that I'm trying to be precise with my percentages but this is something I'm so hyper-aware of that I'm keeping track of it.

I have no idea why this is. When I'm dressed and in shoes I'm 6' tall, my voice is pretty deep, I'm flat chested and my arms are on the muscular side (if still a bit 'soft' due to the fat layer that's taking its time to melt away) and my clothing is 100% male.

It's annoying, sure, but I'm glad I pass to the majority of guys. That's important to me.
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insideontheoutside

Hmm ... come to think of it a lot less guys use any kind of pronouns or titles with me. In a store, the female clerks ALWAYS seem to though. Odd.
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Silver

I pass more with males and adults it seems. I don't think I've ever been "read" by an adult male lol.

This thread has happened before. . . déjà vu.
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Radar

I brought this topic up awhile ago too. My thread had some very interesting theories on this. Believe me, you aren't alone. It seems it takes passing with women longer (for FTMs at least). The very few times I don't pass seem to be with women.

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Zack

I pass way better with guys as opposed to girls. I don't really know why.
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Noah G.

At my last job I do recall far more men referring to me in male pronouns/nouns (man, bro, dude, bud) -- in fact, one man, even when a co-worker "corrected" him continued to refer to me the same way. A large number of male regulars saw me as and referred to me as another guy.

Women...not so much, but I did have a lady apologize once for referring to me as female -- said it was a force of habit.

I actually had disputes between customers over whether I was male or female at the register, once between a husband and wife (he insisted I was a guy, she insisted he was wrong) and several times between a little boy and his mother (he kept insisting I was a boy no matter what she told him) -- I never said anything, and fortunately was never called to settle the matter.

I don't know how many women pegged me as what, though it would seem more of them pegged me, technically, incorrectly (as female). Far fewer women used any gender references though. But it seems, from general experience, that it's all over the board what women see me as (as it still is technically with men as well) -- I've been referred to as male by women though, hell, I had even received a pinch on the rear in passing in high school at one point! I seem to remember more often when I'm "mistaken" for a male though -- those are what stick with me. It's fairly often, too, so I've been fortunate there.

Unfortunately at my current job I don't pass so well, but I think I know a couple of reasons why and so am keeping them in mind for any future jobs. Out and about I still have about the same passing rate, which seems to apparently be fairly high considering I'm pre-T -- I had a friend once tell me she got a kick out of going places with me because everyone thinks I'm a guy.
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Teknoir

When I was early on, I passed sooner with men than women.

I think perhaps subconsciously, we tend to look for similarities with those we encounter more than differences. That could be why, when you're ambiguous to someone - men read you as male, women read you as female.

Just my theory, I have no scientific evidence at all :).
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Eli

My own personal experience has been that highly masculine guys (frat boy types) were the FIRST people to read me as male across the board, even though I'm pre-everything.

Girls my own age however are the exact opposite. But I've also noticed that they are the most PROGRESSIVE in the sense that once they catch on that I identify as masculine, the girls will quickly start using masculine pronouns and emphasizing my masculinity. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it's kind of cute.

Most older folks are a russian roulette, sometimes I'll be read as male, sometimes female... And sometimes male at first, then switch to female after hearing me talk or interact after a while. -__-
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