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Started by Kentrie, October 14, 2010, 10:23:48 PM

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Rock_chick

Quote from: rejennyrated on October 16, 2010, 07:56:18 AM
Ah yes but now we are down to pure semantics. When I say stand my ground and fight I regard negotiation as the intelligent persons way of fighting. I am not necessarily talking fistycuffs - I am talking about having the metal to stand your ground and gain a just solution.

A really good negotiator can inflict a far more devastating defeat than a huge army! Therefore negotiation really is just the intelligent persons way of fighting!  :laugh:

That's what I thought you meant, I didn't really think that you'd ever stand there, a smashed bottle in either hand, a snarl on your face and screaming "come on, lets ave it you [expletive]!"

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Kentrie

Quote from: Izumi on October 15, 2010, 11:21:31 AM
Guys dont hit girls, if your a guy, then you just seem like a scumbag for beating up a girl.  If your FTM your a guy, you have the brain of a guy, and unless your a scumbag of a guy (which some are) you wouldn't hit a girl.

I've had a few girls who have tried to fight me. They were saying "I really want to kick your ass" and I just said "ok" because they think I'm going to fight a girl because they think I'm a lesbian and they get mad when I won't try to attack them. It's amusing really, I'm just looking at them like "I'm not going to hit you"
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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marleen

Physical violence is something I would try to avoid in any way possible. So I would try to get away. But I would defend myself if they really wouldn't leave me alone, but even then I would avoid hitting (I am rather strong and would hate it if I hurt someone badly), instead preferring to pin them down until they're calmed down (I know some judo).
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spacial

Quote from: valyn_faer on October 16, 2010, 10:31:19 AM
Women do the same thing, our culture is just less likely to acknowledge it when it happens. We're just socialized not to see it as "a struggle for dominance" when women do it. It's like the study that was done in the 70's. They had video footage of an infant crying and asked two groups what emotion the infant was expressing. They told the first group it was a baby boy and the group said the infant was expressing anger. They told the second group it was a baby girl and the group said the infant was expressing fear. Our culture has biased interpretations of actions based on the perceived sex of the individual committing the action.

Also, there are over 50 studies that show women commit just as much domestic violence as men, on all levels of severity. I think it's interesting that it's both sexist and wrong for a man to hit a woman, yet also sexist and wrong for him to not hit a women simply because she's a woman. It really goes to show the no win situation men are in now in our society (Western society in general?). And I think it's interesting how so many feminists claim we live in a culture that condones violence against women, when so many men still have the view that it's never okay to hit a woman. Doh. Pesky empirical evidence, always getting in the way of ideologies. Well that simply isn't true. There is a massive amount of evidence that contradicts this. Not to mention that women definitely don't treat me as their equal when I use the women's fitting rooms or women's restrooms. In fact, I experience far more discrimination from women than I do from men. I don't buy the "women are innately more egalitarian and less discriminatory" crap. There's too much evidence that shows it simply isn't true.

I recall that study. There were a number of different experimets, all of which were very interesting in themselves.

The problem with it was that it sought conclusions about our society. Whereas, what it actually discovered were mannerisms and behaviours common to humans in general.

That is a very different point.

feminists, almost always make the same mistake, claiming that features and behaviours emerge from our culture, whereas, they are generally common to all humanity.

The greatest problem is that most of these studies are done in the US. They tend to take, as their bench mark, the so called native societies, Inuit, N American natives, south American natives. These cultures are heavly contrived, largely becase they were utterly decimated, only rebuilding afterward. One of the more silly claims about the Inuit, for example, is they have no word for war. In reality, that is as relevant as saying Scots Gaelic, (ancient), has no word for no.

Domestic violence is also common to all human groups. It is a different condition altogether, from the situations we are discussing here.

I do thank you for your input. It's refreshing to have an exchange of views with someone also interested in society as a subject.
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