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What can we reasonably expect from transition?

Started by Carlita, October 18, 2010, 08:51:28 AM

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Carlita

This is long - I apologize! But it's my personal dilemma condensed down as tight as it will go. So please, ladies, bear with me!!

Almost exactly a year ago, I finally admitted what I had truthfully always known, but for so, so hard to deny: I'm transsexual. And I would love to be able to transition. But what chance do I have of doing so successfully?

For someone my age – early 50s, but look younger – that's not easy. I have family who depend on me as a husband, father and breadwinner. Any decision I make affects them profoundly, so I can't necessarily do what I want if it's going to cause them unreasonable pain or wreck their standard of living.

Also, to state the obvious, I look like a guy. I'm 6ft tall. I have big male feet. And I sound like a guy, move like a guy and as far as the world is concerned act exactly the way they expect from a guy.

So I see a plastic surgeon who specialises in FFS and he says (pretty much his exact words), 'I can make you look very feminine, much younger and – if I may say so – much better looking.'

Well, plastic surgeons are the medical profession's answer to car salesmen. They'll say anything to get a sale. But when I see the virtual FFS pics, the results aren't at all bad. I'm not going to be on the cover of Vogue any time soon. But not a total embarrassment either.

I remind myself that Uma Thurman, Elle Macpherson and Brooke Shields are all my height and 40-plus. At 168lbs/76.4kg I am only fractionally heavier than the average British (and probably US) woman, and confidently expect to get below 160lbs. My wrists, shoulders and ribcage measurements are all well within female norms and I can reasonably expect a 29-inch waist with a combination of HRT and dieting. So far, so good.

Then I discuss my situation with a friend who is a doctor, working as a forensic pathologist in a New York City police lab: genuine CSI New York stuff. He is very sympathetic and supportive. But then – because I have asked him to be frank – he writes to me as follows ...

'You're a good-sized man, taller than most, solidly-built; there is nothing delicate or effeminate about you. I don't know how good current plastic surgery techniques are, but I think it will be very hard to just delete your maleness.

'I imagine that, as you change, the way you carry yourself will rapidly become feminized, but there's no real hiding your frame: I suspect from a distance, an average person would read you as "male", then have a period of cognitive dissonance as you came closer and they see you're dressed as a woman. Then he or she would look at you more carefully to reassure themselves as to your gender. If the surgeon is correct, and he can give you a younger, prettier face, then that average viewer will just assume that you're a larger woman - maybe an athlete.

'But you're a mannish man. Again, I don't know how realistically the surgeon can reshape your face, but I would find it hard to believe that he could make you "pretty". I imagine that he could make you passable, maybe even a handsome woman, but I suspect that there would be enough maleness left that a person talking with you would wonder if you were transgendered.

'But others will definitely know immediately that you used to be a man, and those others will be your friends and family. For us, in addition to any concerns about whether you look like a man or a woman, there'll be the dissonance of having known you as a man, and now meeting you as a woman. Some will embrace you immediately, others will never accept what you've done, but most will be in the middle, and will struggle over their own confusion and discomfort over your decision for a while before accepting you as you've become, and the longer people have known you, the longer it'll take them to adjust to your change, particularly. So, when you change, it'll be awkward (and that's a huge understatement).'


Well, I'm ready for awkward ... I think ... though it's easier said than done. But what I really want to know - from the experience of those who have walked or are walking this road ahead of me - is this: is he right? Is the best that one can hope for a kind of embarrassed, awkward agreement to go along with what is obviously something unnatural and inauthentic. Or can I hope for something more?

Just how much of a chance do any of us who transition late have of simply becoming regular, everyday women, in our eyes and those of the rest of the world?

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spacial

This is a problem I've thought about.

Would I take the surgery to make myself happier and more comfortable or to make myself more attractive to a possible partner?

The answer, I suspect, for many, will be both.

For me, I have no illusions about myself. I'm not a movie star or a model. I will never be a georgous woman. Added to that, I'm not social and really not looking for a partner. I have my wife for a start. But for the sake of argument, if I didn't, my principal priority is and will be, to be more comfortable.

So, if the opportunity arises, I would go for it in a second. It will make me more comfortable.

How that affects the rest of the world can't be much different from how my present appearance affects it.

Correction:

How that affects the rest of the world can't be much worse from how my present appearance affects it.
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Carlita

Quote from: spacial on October 18, 2010, 09:55:23 AM

How that affects the rest of the world can't be much worse from how my present appearance affects it.

That sounds very harsh on yourself! I'm sure you don't currently affect the world THAT badly!!  :)

My problem is that I affect it perfectly normally. I'm hardly the next George Clooney, but I'm a reasonably good-looking man and I take it for granted that if I approach people politely, they will respond in an equally polite, positive way. Because I've had to work hard to create the persona of a regular guy - even if I'm anything but! - I've learned how to put people at their ease, make them laugh: charm them a little, I suppose. And it makes life easier.

But will those people respond in the same way if, as my doctor friend suggests, their subconscious is telling them: 'Help! This 'woman' is actually a man in disguise!' ?

The irony, of course, is that I'm currently a woman in disguise! All I want to be is the same woman, being herself and being accepted as such. But wanting and getting are, sadly, two very different things ...
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Christy Edwards

Hi Carlita..My name is Christy. I totally understand where u r at. I am also in my early 50's and been CD'ing  since 8. Just over the past 2 yrs have I admitted to me that hey, I am TS...I feel better by that now. I have a wonderful wife and older kids by my first marriage and my wifes 1st.
She and I also have a 10 yr old wonderful son at home with us. My wife is very aware of things but my son has no clue. However he does wonder why I wear my nails long, have a fem cell phone, my legs/arms/chest have no hair along with other things...I am 6'3, big hands and size 12 shoe...But now I am happy...Started HRT 7 months ago and can really see some changes. But my body now is beginning to feel right...As far as me on transitioning? Not sure yet when. But I want to. I want to be loved and as much as possible, be understood. I dress and go out everyday. My wife and I go off for weekends from time to time as well. As far as how easy transitioning will be?, I too would love to know. Time will tell I guess. I am currently on my 5th laser treatment. Thank-u for your post. Maybe we can share more in the near future....Good luck girl..
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Carlita

Thank you so much Christy! You look great in your pic, by the way!

Funnily enough, I stopped CD'ing a long time ago - 25 years at least. It was partly because I knew it freaked my then-girlfriend, now wife out. But also, I found it terribly frustrating. It just reminded me that I wasn't a woman, that I still had all that stuff between my legs and fake padding on my chest, that my face was still male. I have to confess that the prospect of going back to those feelings is one of the things that scares me most about transition. I'm one of those who won't set foot outside the house 'dressed' until every scrap of beard is gone, I'm six months into HRT and I've had some, if not all of my FFS.

You could call me a perfectionist ... or vain ... or just plan neurotic! :)

Meanwhile, I wish you all the luck in the world on your own journey ... and your wife and little boy as well x
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alexia elliot

#5
->-bleeped-<- does not go away and we know that. We strive to resolve issue of acceptance of such fact and first deny, to no avail, then embrace and finally go for assimilation or transition if you will. The later is a final step and often taken as last resort with no other avenues left to explore. Transition however is a long journey filled with wonder and discovery. I am 6' tall started at 217lbs and a body and face of a bloke, not least feminine, believe me! I just took my new avatar pics today after nearly 2 years of HRT( hormone replacement therapy) and ever so slowly am getting closer to the image I hold in my heart and soul as Alexia, the true self! I am 44 and thought that I have crossed the threshold of never never land, and perhaps I will never get there entirely, but knowing that I am fulfilling my quest to find ME is a necessity. Have I lived my entire life as a lie of a man I was, then I have never lived at all. I am facing FFS to become this feminine creature I dream of but first hormones do quite a rearranging and sculpt femininity even in most blokey males. Advantages of age do add to more feminine outcome for reasons of diminished testosterone production. At the end it is you who must decide of the path you will venture but know that taking each day at the time and step after step in our quest will bring you comfort and resolve. It is a slow process, don't rush it. And don't dwell on weather you will be passable or not but just take comfort in notion that you don't ever have to look out of place. Worst come to worst you will look a very feminine male at the end and at best you will be as gorgeous as one in your dreams and soul. Love, Alexia
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Robyn

Alexia, I transitioned in my early 60s. Had SRS on my 63rd birthday. Wear a wig and always will.

You see my picture here from 3 years ago. Not much has changed other than having lost 20 pounds.

Typical comments include:

"No way you're 73."

'You really look nice."

And if I out myself: "I never would have known."

I just had my 50th U.S. Naval Academy class reunion and had many hugs and kisses from my 'all guy' classmates. Still working on my Navy project of 29 years. No problems.

I lost a wife, gained a husband (FTM), and have lost a daughter due to the divorce.

Would I do it all again? Yes. I'd have no choice.

Robyn
When we walk to the edge of all the light we have and take the step into the darkness of the unknown, we must believe that one of two things will happen. There will be something solid for us to stand on or we will be taught to fly. — Patrick Overton
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Christy Edwards

Thank-u Carlita for the compliment. I'm the same way, I have to have things right as well when I go out too. How much cost have u had with FFS? I want it too...And Alexia is right, it's a journey we need to try and enjoy...
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Carlita

Thank you so much, ladies, for you comforting and encouraging words of support. It's such a help to know that this is all possible. And, Alexia, your picture is AMAZING!! If I look anything like that in two years time I will be one very happy girl indeed! x
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justmeinoz

I am in a similar situation, 57 and 6'3", but anytime I get discouraged I just remember what some of the female bogans in this town look like when they take the family out to do their Christmas shoplifting.  (Bogans are the Aussie version of "trailer trash" but with out any redeeming Southern charm!!)

I have read somewhere that the more attractive a man, the more attractive you will be after transition too. That gives me hope too, but I would settle for people mistaking me for an ugly woman at the moment.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Carlita

Quote from: justmeinoz on October 19, 2010, 07:02:38 AM
I am in a similar situation, 57 and 6'3", but anytime I get discouraged I just remember what some of the female bogans in this town look like when they take the family out to do their Christmas shoplifting.  (Bogans are the Aussie version of "trailer trash" but with out any redeeming Southern charm!!)

I have read somewhere that the more attractive a man, the more attractive you will be after transition too. That gives me hope too, but I would settle for people mistaking me for an ugly woman at the moment.

Well, I don't know about 'brogans', but I have half-a-dozen or so female friends who are six feet tall, or more ... and when I go public, I am inviting ALL of them to the party ... safety in numbers, that's what I say!
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alexia elliot

Welcome Carlita to your real life at last. For me it was a moment unlike any other in my life, I for once granted myself a permission to live free. I am still living as a male, underneath all that makeup is a bloke but now in my daily life I can visibly see her within my own skin and she is with me as part of reality. There will be time in the near future when she takes over and becomes what was always meant to be and that moment is still within my own grasp. So you can see that overall you will be in charge of your own pace and such transformation isn't a run away train with no brakes on. You will still be able to carry on with support to your family but just the same they should respect and embrace your needs for your devotion and love and selflessness you have shown to them so far. Its time for you to be YOU, all my love and thanks for your precious words about my avatar:-)
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Carlita

Quote from: alexia elliot on October 19, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
Welcome Carlita to your real life at last ... You will still be able to carry on with support to your family but just the same they should respect and embrace your needs for your devotion and love and selflessness you have shown to them so far. Its time for you to be YOU, all my love and thanks for your precious words about my avatar:-)

I have to say, it's thinking about my family and what this will do to them - especially my youngest child - that really holds me back. Were it not for them I'd have done this years ago ... But then again, were it not for them I would never have known the true meaning of love ...
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spacial

Quote from: Carlita on October 18, 2010, 10:30:45 AM
That sounds very harsh on yourself! I'm sure you don't currently affect the world THAT badly!!  :)

Hope not, but you never know.  :laugh:

I was really just trying to make the point that how I look is something the world will just need to get use to.

I'm pretty sure there will be those that look worse.

And I don't see why I need to apologise for existing.

As someone once said, It's what you do that counts.
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Carlita

Quote from: spacial on October 19, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
I don't see why I need to apologise for existing.

Well said!!

But sometimes it's very hard not to feel as tho I should be apologising almost constantly for the difficulty my situation has caused, is causing and will cause to the people I love most in the world.

It must be SO difficult be married to someone who is transgendered and as for having a TS as a father ... THAT's what I can't get around ...

@ Bibi ... I've been following your posts about body (re)shaping with total fascination and I really appreciate you sharing your own personal journey with me. One of the things that's fascinating and inspirational about all this is that everyone finds their own path to happiness or fulfillment. For you, it's a private road. I have a dear friend who has essentially had  an RLE of 27 years, living entirely as a woman, yet (through financial circumstances and personal choice) never having SRS. For me, I have what you might call an all-or-nothing approach. Either I continue living as a man in my male body, which has huge public advantages in terms of the way the world perceives and treats me. Or I go for as thorough a transition as I can possibly have so as to become as complete and public a woman as I can be. That will have huge public, professional and family disadvantages (to put it mildly), but as every post-transition woman here knows, the inner peace it brings can be beyond price.

So it's very encouraging to see your example of what can be done, especially since I'm starting from the point of being quite slim and unmuscled: my relaxed bicep is about 11", my wrist measurement is well within the normal female range for my height, my chest band-size is 33" before I've taken a single dose of HRT. If only my damn feet weren't so big I'd be laughing. So here's hoping I turn out to be one of those girls who shrinks on HRT: I have a friend who went from UK shoe size 11 to 9 and lost 2 inches in height. That would be wonderful! But in the meantime, thanks again for sharing YOUR story ...
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spacial

Quote from: Carlita on October 20, 2010, 03:11:10 AM
Well said!!

But sometimes it's very hard not to feel as tho I should be apologising almost constantly for the difficulty my situation has caused, is causing and will cause to the people I love most in the world.

It must be SO difficult be married to someone who is transgendered and as for having a TS as a father ... THAT's what I can't get around ...

Oh yes.

It's so easy to talk about being ourselves, in any sphere. The realities are that self confidence is the guiding factor.

It's been said, many times, but age brings wisdom and arthritus.

I'm about your age. Personally, I would never do anything that would harm my wife. If you can find a way to resolve the issues with your family then that can only be for the better. Many people have managed to resolve these problems with those most important in their lives.

Having said that, some older people have found after they change, that their family life, even thir entire lives, simply disintegrate.

How each of us approaches this isse is up to us. There can't be a rule. Just support from the rest of us.
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Carlita

Quote from: Valeriedances on October 20, 2010, 09:44:34 AM
Hi Carlita!

Our children surprise us all the time with their adaptability and depth. I was speaking with my adult daughter last night about my brother, whom she had over to her house a few days before. He is having alot of trouble accepting my change and has not yet agreed to see me after a year. She told him, 'love the person, not the role'. I was stunned and very uplifted to hear her say that. She said that '...if I want a relationship, I have to accept them however they are.' And she shows me that all the time.

Both of my children (age 26 and 22)  have been so sensitive and loving to me from the moment I came out to them last year, never acting weird or expressing any negativity. They are both amazing people.

It is a risk, as Spacial mentioned. I think, however, it is reasonable to expect that children and spouse can accept our changes. It is reasonable to expect we can have a high quality of life through love and not fear. It is very reasonable that change through love can bring many rewards we hardly dared believe.

In closing, there is an exercise I use that might be helpful. If we only had today to live ...how would we want it to be? If there was no tomorrow, only right now, this moment, this chance. How would we want to express ourselves, show those around us who we are. How do you want it to be be? How bright can we live it? Would we be afraid or can we dare say, this is me?

with kindness and love,

Valerie

Thank you for those kind and wonderful thoughts, Valerie!

I too have children in their twenties. I worry about their response to me, but less about the effect I might have on them. My real concern is for my youngest child, who is just entering his teens and has enough issues of his own to worry about without having to deal with mine as well.

On the other hand, I tell myself this ... if my children see me risk everything to be personally fulfilled, then maybe they too will gain the courage from my example to choose the path that leads to their own fulfilment, whatever that may be ...
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Carlita

Quote from: Valeriedances on October 20, 2010, 10:51:37 AM
All we can do is tell our loved ones and ourselves that it's going to be okay ...and it is.

Aside from love, the best thing we have going for us is that we are authentic and true.  With that brings respect, freedom from shame and fear. It will be okay, because we will shine brighter and brighter with each passing day. We can reasonably expect good, by believing in it.

I'm sure you can reach your son and other children through your heart.

kindly,

Valerie

This!
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spacial

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