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Chivalry and gender

Started by Lee, November 01, 2010, 08:17:36 PM

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Alexmakenoise

Personally, I'm a fan of old-fashioned politeness.  Of course I'd rather be the guy holding the door for the girl than the other way around.  But if I look female and a guy holds a door for me, I give him a friendly smile of appreciation.  I like to thank people when they make an effort to be nice to me, regardless of my private opinion of whatever they're doing.  And I make a point of responding to chivalry the way I'd like people to respond to me when I get to live as a guy and be chivalrous to them.
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Sharky

I hear some women complaining that chivalry is dead, then find out other women complain that chivalry is sexist. Even though I didn't have the standard male upbringing, my parents still always told me to get the door, even if it meant going out of my way. I'd feel rude not doing it. I figure its best to open the door anyway.  Best case scenario, its appreciated. Worst case scenario, I piss someone off that I probably wouldn't get along with anyway. 
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Lukas-H

I don't think it should be called 'Chivalry' anymore, because 'Chivalry' was a code of conduct for knights who were noble-born. It DID include courting women, but there was a lot more to it.

It should be common courtesy for EVERYONE, regardless of how they identify or what's between their legs. Men don't feel like they should have to curry favor with someone by doing a bunch of silly things and spending money (IE free food/drinks to the person they're interested in). If you like someone, strike up a conversation with them.

Being polite is fine, and I wish everyone was. I hold doors for everyone but I don't expect anyone to do it for me. Personally I try to avoid situations where some guy will hold a door for me just because he was 'taught that way'. I wish people would stop teaching their children to be 'chivalrous gentlemen' and instead teach them the value of respect and kindness to EVERYONE they meet until an individual gives them a reason to not be (a rude person refusing simple kindness is the best example).

I often feel like people who get priority to go first through doorways are generally older than me, have their hands full with groceries/etc, have young children that they need to hold, hold hands with or push through in a stroller etc, or just someone who seems to be going the same way as me.

Women are right to feel like it's sexist when they see a guy who ONLY opens the door for women, but not for the guy behind the woman, etc. That IS wrong and should be stopped.

But then again I've never cared at all for a lot of social practices. I don't want to be pandered to and patronized because of my genitals, I just want to be treated like a human being. I feel like everyone else should want the same things, but I'm not going to make a public outcry because someone likes the whole 'Gentlemen and Ladies' social play; I just don't agree with it at all.
We are human, after all. -Daft Punk, Human After All

The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all. -Mulan
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Rock_chick

Personally I see the OPs point...courtesy is always nice, people are just far too rude these days, but treating me all the time like I can't cope with complex tasks such as opening a door, paying for my own food and drinks and carrying any object heavier than a hand bag would fill me with rage.
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JohnR

Lee, if you're FtM and currently presenting as female this is the problem. Men are obviously reading you as female and are behaving politely towards you. You, naturally, identify as male so you resent having this done to you, you're one of the boys. When you live life full time as male, you may well find yourself also filling the chivalrous role
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