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frustrated with the normalization of sexism in straight male social circles...

Started by Quicksand, November 07, 2010, 05:00:43 PM

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Ryan

Quote from: Jeatyn on November 08, 2010, 09:05:34 AM
Is it wrong that I just don't see the big deal? They're only words....and I can't tell you how many times I've had to listen to a circle of women babble on about how useless, lazy, fat, small penis'ed, etc etc etc their boyfriends/husbands/random guys are.
Couldn't agree more. It's mostly just harmless banter.
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kyril

I suspect that those of us who see it as harmless banter and those who see it as something more than that are thinking of/experiencing different sorts of things. I've seen both, and the harmless banter is just that, but in some circles there's more malicious and harmful stuff going on. (Anyone else here who's been in the military? I know you know what I'm talking about...)


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insideontheoutside

I'm differentiating harmless banter as something like poking fun of differences of men and women. If it starts to go sexual then it depends what the conversation actually is. If the topic is more along the lines of simply having sex or who you had sex with or even details about that sex, that isn't exactly sexist. That can be harmless conversation. I think what the original poster was talking about though (and what I've been posting about) is more abusive and sexist comments or those alluding to physical violence. I don't think it's ever "harmless" to talk about beating your wife. That is not a joke to me.

Words are not always harmless. Some things you can shake off, some are abusive. How would you feel if, in your circle of friends, ftm transsexuals (assuming they thought you were just a regular bio male) were brought up and one of those friends said something like, "You got a c--t for a reason, you're not a man and I'd f--k that idea right out of your head you dumb bitch!" and then laughed? Would those be harmless words then? I've heard someone say just about that and I didn't consider it harmless or funny at all.

The problem I have with some of the banter is that it can easily move from a harmless phrase (someone says, "Oh yeah, I'd do her" - pretty harmless) to something else really quickly ("Yeah, I'd put her on her knees where she belongs!" - sexist).

As @kyril said, the harmless stuff is usually easy to distinguish. But I still feel the types of things the original poster was talking about (physical violence) is not that type.

I've heard it all and I've experienced a great deal of it myself and I just see too many ways talk like this is not a good thing and it shows lack of respect.
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xAndrewx

I'm feeling pretty guilty now. I say stupid stuff and objectify women and men occasionally. It's just not something thought of when it happens. I think sometimes it just varies from person to person as to how bad it is.

Let me explain that a little. I guess somewhere along the lines during school abusive and aggressive words didn't mean much when people said them to me. I laughed off things like getting called a d*ke for the billionth time or being called a "->-bleeped-<-". I joke with my friends and say stuff like that and the "oh yeah I'd do her" thing that insideontheoutside mentioned because no one has ever spoken up and said it bothered them. I think I'll be re-thinking that next time I'm screwing around and joking with the guys.

Hermione01

Quote from: insideontheoutside on November 08, 2010, 04:47:35 PM
I'm differentiating harmless banter as something like poking fun of differences of men and women. If it starts to go sexual then it depends what the conversation actually is. If the topic is more along the lines of simply having sex or who you had sex with or even details about that sex, that isn't exactly sexist. That can be harmless conversation. I think what the original poster was talking about though (and what I've been posting about) is more abusive and sexist comments or those alluding to physical violence. I don't think it's ever "harmless" to talk about beating your wife. That is not a joke to me.

Words are not always harmless. Some things you can shake off, some are abusive. How would you feel if, in your circle of friends, ftm transsexuals (assuming they thought you were just a regular bio male) were brought up and one of those friends said something like, "You got a c--t for a reason, you're not a man and I'd f--k that idea right out of your head you dumb bitch!" and then laughed? Would those be harmless words then? I've heard someone say just about that and I didn't consider it harmless or funny at all.

The problem I have with some of the banter is that it can easily move from a harmless phrase (someone says, "Oh yeah, I'd do her" - pretty harmless) to something else really quickly ("Yeah, I'd put her on her knees where she belongs!" - sexist).

As @kyril said, the harmless stuff is usually easy to distinguish. But I still feel the types of things the original poster was talking about (physical violence) is not that type.

I've heard it all and I've experienced a great deal of it myself and I just see too many ways talk like this is not a good thing and it shows lack of respect.


This is not man bashing, but yeah, lots and lots a guys say exactly that!  Even vivid descriptions of vaginas in the most lewd way you can think possible, let alone any other body part.  ::)

In the military, construction workers, my Lord, it can be the topic of conversation day in, day out.

No woman could compete with that kind of thing, even 'sex in the city' which is just like 'two and half men', harmless sex talk and banter. HUGE difference!

Yes, women can be cruel and bitchy when scorned by their b/f, mentioning penis size which is just so childish too, but that's hurt talking.

It would be nice if these guys (not all, but a significant number) could ease up on the violent innuendo/rape talk every second day, pretty scary stuff.



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