Why is porn so often linked to transexual?

[PixieBoy]

I've heard that some men like the thought of a "chick with a d*ck" because they have no idea of a vagina, but they know how a penis works, so it's a girl that they know how to get off.

I think it's awful that people are fetishized, but I'm kinky myself, so.. yeah. The "girl with peen" fetish is like having a race fetish, imo. Pretty "gross".

[jamherst]

I've heard that some men like the thought of a "chick with a d*ck" because they have no idea of a vagina, but they know how a penis works, so it's a girl that they know how to get off.

I think it's awful that people are fetishized, but I'm kinky myself, so.. yeah. The "girl with peen" fetish is like having a race fetish, imo. Pretty "gross".

Kink and fetish is fine for sure, I agree, have kinks of my own. But somehow, these are people's lives and journeys being turned into fetishes...kinda disrespectful ^^.

[PixieBoy]

Yes, I know that it is very disrespectful, which was why I used race fetish as an example of a similar fetish.

It's 1am here; brain not fully functional. Pardon my bad English and other such tghinsg.

[jamherst]

Yup yup, just agreeing with you 100% 

[azSam]

I can finally date straight men that are into me simply because I'm a woman and not a "chick with a dick"..

It can't happen too soon..

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Hermione01]

Transgirls are far less a fetish than a lot of other things, I doubt they really break the top ten, perhaps not even the top 20.  There is pretty much porn for everything, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

So I take it you've never been mistook for a '->-bleeped-<-'?  Gotta live it to know how it feels.    In my book, it would definitely be in the top 5 and that's not a good thing.

[Elsa]

The problem is that until .. transgendered/transsexuals are given equal rights in many countries... many  transgendered/transsexuals would be forced into prostitution and begging to earn a living and the porn industry will always be there to prey on the one that try to escape this fate... 

one has to keep in mind that the transgendered/transsexuals community is where LGB community were 20-30 years ago between being ignored and abused in some countries while pressurized to undergo all kinds of crap telling them they are not LGB in others... and then being told they were LGB when everyone gave up...

problem is everyone need to be on their best behavior or strive to improve things for every one : example: if a normal person commits a crime such rob a store ... people will that person robbed a store ,... but if a transgendered/transsexual commits a crime the same headlines will say "transgendered/transsexual robed a store" and this would trigger a backlash against transgendered/transsexuals. 

I wish for I had the option of going stealth in my country which sadly is not USA... in my country to change a name/identity you need to publicize it via an advert in a leading newspaper (not kidding!!!) (luckily no restrictions on size of the ad or which newspaper)

Its just not fair ... why can't people realize we are human too and don't deserve to be treated like toys!  

[kyril]

Vibes - the requirement to make a public announcement of a name change is fairly common in the US as well. Most states have a similar provision.

[Elsa]

Vibes - the requirement to make a public announcement of a name change is fairly common in the US as well. Most states have a similar provision.

didnt know that  ... thanks for correcting me there kyril!!

[juliemac]

Vibes - the requirement to make a public announcement of a name change is fairly common in the US as well. Most states have a similar provision.

There has been precidence where the publication can be seen as an endangerment here in NY.
But... The Supreme Court Judge (who I have known for 15 years) Made me publish in the local paper.
This was the same lawyer who (15 years ago) had the court stop referring to me in the male, but as female and corrected the name on court papers.

Its sucks.

[tekla]

So I take it you've never been mistook for a '->-bleeped-<-'?

I've been called it many times, and I don't dislike the term - but if what you're saying is 'has anyone mistaken you for a trans-porn movie star,' then the answer is no.  I have been mistaken (and they were absolutely 100% sure I was) for Michael Moore on two different occasions, if that helps.  If nothing else, it sure explains why people don't mistake me for a porn star.

And the top porn categories, the top eight or so, comprise about 85% of the porn out there, and 'trans' ain't on the list.  Young/Barley Legal, Lesbian, Lingerie (bra, panties, nylons, upskirt), MILF, Gay Male, Anal, Oral and Redhead top the list, not a trans deal among them.  And that's not even counting 'amateur' which is the number one porn search of all.

It's a specialty deal, no doubt ranking above 'balloons' (yeah, I don't get it either), or 'yachts', probably in the same rankings (and these rankings are very hard to come by, they are a huge industry trade secret) as the more 'kinky' areas of bondage, spanking, S&M, but far under more acceptable fetish areas like 'uniforms' 'Indian,' 'Latina,' 'Ebony,' 'Bukkake,' or 'Blonde'.

Point is there is porn for everyone, because there is porn for just about anything.  Sure, there is TG porn - three kinds of it as far as the industry is concerned.  And one of those kinds, the Buck Angel kind gets plenty of praise on these boards to be sure.  So the anti-porn activism tends to run shallow not deep around here. 

Most people have some sort of fetish, I mean all a fetish is about is knowing what it is that turns you on.  It's a form of sex toy really.  And the most popular ones - Big Huge Breasts, Huge Dicks, hot chicks in lingerie/bathing suits holding power tools, Catholic Schoolgirls in Disgrace - are all fetishes too, they are just so widespread that people don't think of them in that way.  But they are what they are . 

And, most adults know that porn is fantasy, and fantasy is rarely reality.  People watching trans porn or balloon porn are not the people chasing ->-bleeped-<-s or getting it on with inflated bags of latex - the people who want to chase ->-bleeped-<-s and not just masturbate to pictures of them are out in places where such people hang out.  For the vast majority of people who use porn, the porn is a substitute for reality, not an anticipation of it.  Porn has never been proven to be any kind of 'causation agent' despite the long-running efforts of the Xian Right to claim that it is.

People like to see other people naked.  Well, some of them do at least.  A considerable number in fact.  'Twas ever thus.  The Greeks, Romans, The Hindu, the Chinese and other ancient cultures were just as much awash in 'dirty pictures' as we are.  As long as everything is 'consenting' them I'm pretty much OK with it, even when I don't get it, or I see it as a turn-off rather than a turn on.

And, for the record, I'd shun any person who got their opinions and insights from Jerry Springer and porn - no matter what the subject matter.  Avoiding such people will lead to a happier life.


Interesting note:  Back in the fifties and sixties the criminal penalties for possession of porn and drugs (both personal as well as intent to distribute) were pretty much equivalent, but since then the penalties for porn have all but disappeared, but the penalties for drugs have gone off the charts in the other direction.  Discuss.

[long.897]

So I take it you've never been mistook for a '->-bleeped-<-'?

I've been called it many times, and I don't dislike the term - but if what you're saying is 'has anyone mistaken you for a trans-porn movie star,' then the answer is no.  I have been mistaken (and they were absolutely 100% sure I was) for Michael Moore on two different occasions, if that helps.  If nothing else, it sure explains why people don't mistake me for a porn star.

And the top porn categories, the top eight or so, comprise about 85% of the porn out there, and 'trans' ain't on the list.  Young/Barley Legal, Lesbian, Lingerie (bra, panties, nylons, upskirt), MILF, Gay Male, Anal, Oral and Redhead top the list, not a trans deal among them.  And that's not even counting 'amateur' which is the number one porn search of all.

I think that you might be mistaken when it comes to the popularity of trans porn.  Obviously not the most scientific of sources, but as a little experiment, I went to Google trends and searched the following.  The parameters limited the search to the United States within the last 12 months.

->-bleeped-<-, bareback, bukkake, cumshot, hentai,
->-bleeped-<-, gangbang, bdsm, deepthroat

Here are the results.
http://trends.google.com/trends?q=->-bleeped-<-,+->-bleeped-<-,+gangbang,+bdsm,+deepthroat&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=ytd&sort=0
http://trends.google.com/trends?q=->-bleeped-<-,+bareback,+bukkake,+cumshot,+hentai&ctab=0&geo=us&date=ytd&sort=0
For every search of the word "->-bleeped-<-" the following was searched.
->-bleeped-<-    1.00   
->-bleeped-<-    0.56   
gangbang  0.33   
bdsm  0.39   
deepthroat  0.15
bareback  0.10   
bukkake  0.14   
cumshot  0.40   
hentai  3.56

I tried to avoid searches for things like "lesbian" and "anal," because they obviously would return a lot of false positives outside of porn.  ->-bleeped-<- and ->-bleeped-<- are very "porn" words though, as are the other search terms that I included.  As evidenced by the search, hentai was the most popular search included, with 3.56 searches for every search of ->-bleeped-<-.  All others fell well below the ->-bleeped-<- search, with ->-bleeped-<- being the third most popular.  Even including the ambiguous "most popular" bit from your post above, we see the following.

->-bleeped-<-    1.00   
redhead    0.34   
oral    1.44   
lingerie    0.76   
gay male    0.18   

Redhead is a poor choice because there are obviously people searching for information about red hair that aren't looking for porn.  Oral can apply to dentistry, speech, the televangelist, etc.  Lingerie could be a search term when looking for items to purchase, and gay male could be a search for people regarding their sexuality.  One might argue that ->-bleeped-<- or ->-bleeped-<- could fit into this questioning bit as well, but most in the trans community don't really identify as "trannies," in my experience.  Men who like men DO identify as gay though.

->-bleeped-<-    1.00   
milf    1.56   
lesbian    1.90   
barely legal    0.06   
anal    2.28 

The problem with these search terms is readily apparent.  The following is the top searches amongst those.

I'll never be a lesbian, Denise Richards says
Stuff.co.nz - Jun 12 2008   
    Military launches offensives vs MILF
Inquirer.net - Aug 18 2008   
    Lesbian albatrosses and bisexual bonobos have last laugh on Darwin
Times Online - Jun 17 2009   
    Farrah Fawcett Dies of Anal Cancer
WebMD - Jun 25 2009   
    Lesbian in tight race to become Houston mayor
San Francisco Chronicle - Dec 13 2009   
    President Obama Issues Memo Giving Hospital Rights to Gay and Lesbian Patients' Partners
ABC News - Apr 16 2010   

Not exactly pornographic. 

[kyril]

Try adding "porn" to each of those search terms:

Scale is based on the average traffic of ->-bleeped-<- porn from United States in the last 12 months. Learn more
->-bleeped-<- porn    
   1.00
 
->-bleeped-<- porn    
   0.50
 
lesbian porn    
   4.40
 
bareback porn    
   0.10
 
gay porn    
   9.60

Scale is based on the average traffic of ->-bleeped-<- porn from United States in the last 12 months. Learn more
->-bleeped-<- porn    
   1.00
 
gay porn    
   9.50
 
teen porn    
   9.10
 
milf porn    
   1.90
 
anal porn    
   1.70

Much better comparison, and we know people using these search terms are looking for porn (or at least porn-related stories). As you can see, we gays win pretty decisively...although teen porn ranks up there too. "->-bleeped-<-," which seems to be the predominant way of referring to porn with pre/non-op trans women, is down with other smaller/special interest categories. I couldn't find any porn search that could beat "gay porn" - lingerie and amateur were down there with bareback and milf.

[Octavianus]

The question is, if Springer and Porn is your only exposure to us, how are you suppose to understand that?  While we hate to talk about it, it's sort of our responsibility to help our partners understand that, I think.

If you value my opinion on this, I think a person must be really shallow if he believes what he sees on tv shows without questioning. Even if shows as Jerry Springer are your only source of info on this subject, one must be smart enough to know not to base his opinion entirely on this? But history proves otherwise and show how indoctrination can give an entire population a certain mindset. I guess I am blessed with the way I was raised. My mother used to tell me about different cultures and different people when tucking me in as a child.

In three months the source of my misery will be gone forever and then I can really start to live life as it was meant and I can finally date straight men that are into me simply because I'm a woman and not a "chick with a dick"..

Forgive me for asking, but is it really so that If you date men now, they tend to be interested in your parts instead of you as a person? Because I cannot believe all men can be this shallow. Yet Rose said something similar about other transwomen she met who postphone dating untill after their srs. I am sorry if I misunderstood.

[long.897]

Try adding "porn" to each of those search terms:

Scale is based on the average traffic of ->-bleeped-<- porn from United States in the last 12 months. Learn more
->-bleeped-<- porn    
   1.00
 
->-bleeped-<- porn    
   0.50
 
lesbian porn    
   4.40
 
bareback porn    
   0.10
 
gay porn    
   9.60

Scale is based on the average traffic of ->-bleeped-<- porn from United States in the last 12 months. Learn more
->-bleeped-<- porn    
   1.00
 
gay porn    
   9.50
 
teen porn    
   9.10
 
milf porn    
   1.90
 
anal porn    
   1.70

Much better comparison, and we know people using these search terms are looking for porn (or at least porn-related stories). As you can see, we gays win pretty decisively...although teen porn ranks up there too. "->-bleeped-<-," which seems to be the predominant way of referring to porn with pre/non-op trans women, is down with other smaller/special interest categories. I couldn't find any porn search that could beat "gay porn" - lingerie and amateur were down there with bareback and milf.

Yours may be a better metric, but I'm still receiving some decisively non porn searches when including those terms.  There are a lot more news articles and whatnot that offer terms like "gay porn" than there are articles that offer the word ->-bleeped-<-.  Example:

Huffington Post - Jul 17 2009   
    Model who starred in gay porn movies with twin brother pleads guilty to Pa. rooftop burglary
Chicago Tribune - Sep 16 2009   
    My boyfriend looks at gay porn. Is he...?

Regardless, even if porn featuring transindividuals is only half as popular as porn featuring anal sex, it's worth acknowledging that it occupies a very significant market share.  This isn't even taking into consideration the relatively low number of trans there are as compared to gay males, lesbians, "milfs", and what have you.  Something like 1:10 (I've heard quite varied figures) of people identify as gay; the upper bound figure that I've heard for GID is 1:500, with some studies estimating as low as 1:10.000.  Proportionately, a good deal more of a random person's "exposure" to trans information is going to come from porn.

Basically, I'm just trying to say that it's much more likely that someone's knowledge about transpeople is going to be from something like porn than for say, information about gay males, or lesbians.

[Summerfall]

The reason why these girls are involved in the porn industry is because they have no other options for jobs and are forced into it

Blanket statements like this have been used about women in porn pretty much since it began. The truth is not so black and white. There are career porn stars, from every aspect of the industry, including transsexual porn, who are established enough to move out of porn. At the very least, those stars could easily get jobs at McDonald's if they desired.

Personally I think it's disgusting and the garbage that is promoted on porn sites does not even come close to representing transexual woman.

Of course porn sites don't represent transsexual women. Or women in general. Or men. Or donkeys. Your point?


It's true that transsexual porn uses derogatory terms, but porn also calls women 'sluts', 'whores', etc. It reduces men to their penis sizes. I'm not saying that any of it is right, but it's far from exceptional.

How can they actually do this? The main focal point is their penis. "omg it's a girl with a wing-wang!". Sorry but no thanks. I'd prefer to not even admit it exists. (the wing wang that is). Yet these girls glorify it. Infuriating.

Not every trans person shares your opinion of their birth genitals. If some women are comfortable using their penises, and feel that it does not compromise their womanhood, then that is their business, and if they want to make some money in porn using it then more power to them. Buck Angel is 100% man and can own his vagina as a performer. But as mentioned before, he is usually praised. The whole protect-the-women mentality reeks of a pseudo-feminist patriarchal protective instinct that subjugates women more than it protects them.

I don't understand the vitriol towards someone with a sexual interest in any media that is produced by consenting adults.

[Octavianus]

Thank you for your reply, Dee. You have given me quite an insight in your experiences and reasoning.
Still, I regret the current state of ignorance and close mindness of many people today. For a long time I refused to believe that unintelligent people exist. I always thought that the upbringing was the main factor in how people think and behave, but in the last 4 years showed me I was wrong in this assumption.  It is one of my bad habits that I cannot stand ignorance. Whenever I am confronted with close minded remarks I always try to reason with people, wether it is about "that ->-bleeped-<- that just boarded" or about "that gay steward we fly with today". I wish I could be like you and just let it go.

I am happy you are so comfortable in your gender role but I can't help to sense some bitterness. The points you make are understandable and if I found myself in your shoes I might have done the same.
Despite what I wrote a few months earlier, were you able to relax a bit on your flight? I wish you the best of health for your next big hurdle in February.