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An odd question for trans guys that pass as male?

Started by Cody Jensen, November 23, 2010, 03:15:54 PM

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Cody Jensen

Do you feel like sexism (against women) still affects you or does it not bother you anymore? I was just curious of your reactions now to it because you pass as male and other people see you as a male, so do you still get affected by it? Like I said it's an odd question so apologies if I don't make myself sound clear.
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FebruaryFalls

I don't pass and haven't really started to try yet and I still don't consider sexism because I don't think of myself as a girl so for some reason it's never really come to my mind as an issue that affected me personally.
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Morgan

I pass, and yeah sexism bothers me sometimes. I don't see it a lot anymore, I can't even remember the last time, but I get a little riled up. I'm not expecting men and women to be treated equal, because we're not equal, there are some things men can do that women can't and vice versa but no one should be treated poorly.




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Flam

I still don't pass 100%, but anyway...
Yes, sexism does bother me. I don't get offended as a woman, because i'm not one. I get offended as a man who don't want to see our girls being treated as if they're worst than a man.
No matter if i'm wearing my binder or wearing a goddamn dress, if someone say something stupid about woman, we would have to talk.  =|

Sometimes, when it happens, my boyfriend comes to me and tell "Hey, don't forget that he don't know about you...", but i already told him: i don't do this because i'm an FtM, i do this simply because i don't like to see it, i don't think it's correct.
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Carson

I pass 100% of the time but no sexism doesn't bother me. I treat men and women as equally as I can. I have no ill feelings towards women, I hang out with my mom and little sister most of the time. What other people do isn't really my business. I can joke about women with the best of them haha but it's just that, joking. Sexism never really affected or bothered me in the first place though.
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insanitylives

Pisses me off, regardless if I'm passing or not.

Respect is respect.
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JesseA

yeah I pass 100% of the time now and sexism pisses me off even more than it used to. I feel like I've left the hard life to come to the easy life (I know--stereotyping) so its my job to help the remaining women out there as much as I can. I actively fight sexism now as an insider whereas before I was hurt by it but just blew it off.
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jmaxley

Quote from: insanitylives on November 23, 2010, 05:34:21 PM
Pisses me off, regardless if I'm passing or not.

Respect is respect.

+1.  Even once I pass 100% it will still bother me.
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Tad

Sadly.. I don't even notice sexism most of the time..
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deadkazi

Unfortunately I don't pass and I'm often affected by sexism. I have a friend who completely passes and is still affected as well. All around, sexism BITES.
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LordKAT

It is hard to notice after you pass well. I no longer get to lose jobs because I'm female. It did in the past. I had an employer say women can't lift anything or work on machinery because "it will strain your milk", that no longer happens. I would be angry and depressed over many of the comments I have heard in the past but as I pass, it no longer is an issue.
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insideontheoutside

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Fencesitter

I'm even more aware of sexism than I used to be before transition. As now males talk to me openly as I'm "one of them", belittling women, even their girl-friends or wives - on the grounds of their sex or gender.

I think it's horrible, and it still shocks me.

If as a male, you think that women are worth less than guys, why stick to them and not make gay relationships instead, rather than crush down your woman? Even if you're not attracted to guys - there at least you'd find your "equal". It seems to make more sense to me and to be less painful if you force yourself as a guy to have sex with another man though you're not attracted to guys. Rather than to share all your life with a person you deem kind of subhuman and worthless. I don't get it. Really, I don't. But these kind of guys who belittle women tend to be the very ones who react phobically to gay relationships anyway... No, I don't understand that. Makes. No. Sense.

If one day I'll just regard sexism as being normal and okay, please shoot me dead then. Out of pity. Immediately. And aim well, I don't want to suffer.
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Dennis

6 years into this. I used to get enraged at sexism, and particularly gendered humour based on stereotypes. Now that I'm not a victim of those and to some extent I see women who actually like that stuff, what angers me is attitudes that indicate that women are lesser people, less skilled, less competent. I know that's bull. Gentle teasing of my gf about taking forever to get ready or finding things icky doesn't bug me. But anyone tries to tell me she's not as smart or not as good a driver or less deserving of full respect, that pisses me off.

I think what I'm trying to say is that when I was perceived as female, the stuff that rankled me was applying a female stereotype to me, and that probably had more to do with my gender identity issues than actual sexism. The things that I find sexist now are different. And I may be wrong about what is sexist, just saying that that is what has changed for me.
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Arch

A few times, I've been keenly aware of the insider "buddy-buddy" thing that some guys give me in retail and service situations. These men are not quite like that with the women. I don't know if you would call that sexism.

A few times, I've been in similar spaces and have been noticed by a male clerk or sales representative who basically ignored a woman and targeted me. I always wonder if she has been there awhile browsing; I figure maybe someone has already asked her if she needs any help, but I wasn't there to see it. I feel very awkward when this happens.

A few times, women have been irritated or exasperated by something I've said or asked. I didn't perceive my statements and questions as particularly egregious or stupid, but they came from a clearly male perspective, so the women reacted in a particular way. I kind of felt like I was on the receiving end this time--of anti-male sexism.

A fellow in my men's group has trust issues with women, and he once said that he felt that women were manipulative and sneaky. Well, I can see that. In a sexist society, girls tend to adopt certain strategies, like indirect aggression, to compensate for their lack of overt power. So they do all of this clique stuff, talk about other people behind their backs, spread rumors, stuff like that. This is how they compensate. I don't particularly like that kind of behavior; I prefer the direct approach.

Indirect aggression has been well documented in women and girls, so I don't think a guy is sexist if he merely points out that a lot of women behave that way. 

I have my own issues with women, but it bugs me when guys say truly unfounded things about them.
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BloodLeopard

I get livid.

I loudly called out a fellow student in class for being misogynistic.

Sure I don't mind COMPLETELY small jokes that have no seriousness behind them, but actual, serious jokes about ethnicity, disability, orientation, identity, etc... I cannot stand and will NEVER stand.
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LordKAT

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BloodLeopard

How does it not?
Belittling women because you have a hatred and mistrust of them as a whole and only hating a woman because she is a women, isn't sexist?
Then what IS sexist if not the fact that this is solely based on their biological (or apparent/identity) sex/gender?

Is it not racist to exclude all African-Americans from a store exclusively because the hater hates all those who are African-American just because that's their ethnic group.

I fail to see your logic.
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Aegir

I don't pass; but I am really riled up about sexism (toward both men and women) and am an equal rights activist.
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xAndrewx

Sexism towards anyone sucks but I don't notice it that often. Truth is, I never have. I know a lot of independent strong women who haven't really had it happen because men respect them.

Though this morning I went to the gas station and had to wait 10 mins to be helped because the cashier & 2 women were busy talking about how all men were lazy pigs because their boyfriends had done them wrong. Which I think was sexist. The cashier apologized to me when they left & made a point of mentioning not all men were pigs (passed and I wasn't even binding *happy dance*)