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being "gay" in public

Started by shortstackftm, November 25, 2010, 09:59:00 AM

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shortstackftm

Hey guys, Ive been transioning for over 2 years now and pass completely as male. When I was female I was in a gay relationship (had a gf) and had no worries appearing in public holding hands and so forth. Once I started to transion I relised I was gay (gay male) but now I feel funny about holding my (male) partners hand and stuff in public? Are lesos more accepted in the public eye then gays? or am I just being paranoid? Whats your take on the subject?
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sneakersjay

A lot of that will depend on where you live.

I don't yet have a partner but do wonder the same thing.  The TV show What Would You Do? addressed that question in a southern town by having 2 guys showing public displays of affection and got lots of nasty comments and had the cops called on them.  Then they put 2 women doing the same thing and got lots of interest but minimal rude comments.  I thought it was very interesting.



Jay


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Sean

It's probably a little bit of both - less accepted and your imagination. People really are more accepting of two women displaying affection, because it's something even straight women do (where straight men can't show physical affection for one another without catching the gay).

I think part of the issue is that when you don't grow up being read as a gay man, you don't develop the instincts to judge the level of homophobia, acceptance/rejection, etc. around you. In some ways, this is a little bit like how MTFs have to learn how to have vigilance of their surroundings from scratch.

When you were in a relationship with a woman and viewed as female, you had the opportunity to develop a natural and gradual instinct that developed over time in your life. That informed how guarded you  felt you had to be, how much you could express affections, etc. We learn these things all the time, simply by being and taken in information around us.

Now, it's a crash course in learning gay male culture 101 - how you're perceived by others, how you recognize or are recognized by family and allies, and so on. You are concerned because you know that you don't have a life's experience to draw on, so you are naturally trying to protect yourself from what can be a dangerous world sometimes.
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Michael Joseph

I definitely feel that where i am lesbos are a little more accepted than gay men. I live in massachusetts where there are a lottt of gays, and I feel like especially with guys, they are a lot more accepting of lesbians, I think maybe because they dont feel their masculinity is threatened, or like they will be hit on? Idk. I also know that when i was in lesbian relationships, there were many people that were totaly accepting of me, but would talk a lot of crap about gay guys. Idk why but i do think thats how it is, at least here.

cynthialee

I am on the other side of the fence but I think things are similar.

I am married to a bio female and now I am starting to pass female myself people are starting to see a lesbian couple instead of a strait couple.
I am finding that many cis women do not have any time for a dyke. I do fined socializing with most women very easy but if they find out I have a wife....I have had women turn their backs on me and completely shut me out.

Now I am bisexual and back in the male days I never found this issue with people who saw me as a gay male when I was with a guy publicly. Even though I was percieved as gay I was never shut out and ignored.

I notice people scowl at the lesbians more than they do queer dudes. I guess that is a shining example of male privilage.

Anyways...It is new and odd being percieved as lesbian  after so many years of being seen as hetero and enjoying straight privilage. Just part of the new issues we have to deal with I guess.
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deadkazi

It really does depend on where you live. There aren't a lot of gays in the small town I live in. If you blink you miss this place and a lot of the older folks live here and give dirty looks and so on. I've heard whispers and rumors in the past that make me shudder. Though when I lived in Ohio I lived in a more accepting community. I'm looking to move soon and hopefully somewhere that is more accepting since I plan to start transitioning soon after I get out of my parents house.
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Morgan

My experience as being gay in public is well... Boring. Some stare, but nothing has actually happened yet. My girlfriend isn't passing, so we're currently 'gay' lol, which her inner '->-bleeped-<-hag' doesn't really mind (sorry in advance if the term offends anyone, but technically, that's what she is :P )

Honestly, I was a little scared at first, but I love her, and I'm not going to hide that from anyone. Ever since being full time I've converted my motto to like it or eff off.




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xAndrewx

Quote from: Morgan on November 26, 2010, 12:45:04 PM
Ever since being full time I've converted my motto to like it or eff off.

That is a great motto. People around here seem to be more accepting of gay men than of lesbians but I live in a huge city so it's basically all accepted somewhat. People go out of their way to address me as ma'am *grumble* if they think I am a butch lesbian so it's common enough that people recognize it and accept it all I guess.

shortstackftm

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Squirrel698

Thanks Jay for that video.  It was very interesting.

I don't know why I get all the bad luck.  Perhaps because I put myself out there a bit to much.  I've had a lot of trouble because I was perceived as gay.  Just for reference I live in the Chicago suburbs.  Ironically Chicago has a very thriving gay community but it's like an oasis to the ridiculous amount of bigotry surrounding it.   

When I was 16 I was thought to be a lesbian and because of that I was attacked.  I was riding my bike at dusk and they came out of the bushes with a large stick.  They knocked me off my bike and before I could get up they are all on me.  It was very bad as they attempted to each me a lesson.  I spent over a week in the hospital after that.  Three of those days in intensive care.  It was literally years before the scabs and the discolouring left my face.  I'm still dealing with the fallout 15 years later unfortunately. 

This Halloween I was out with my cousin and her friends at a straight county and western bar.  I had a weird costume because of a misguided attempt to be creative.  I was sort of a zombie knight with lots of facial make-up and such.  I was laughing with my cousin and I turned around still smiling.  A man there thought I was smiling at him.  I absolutely was not because I know better and wouldn't try to engage a complete stranger.  However he thought I was so he started yelling 'f***ing f*g at me and calling me a damn queer.  Over and over again.  Plus also made a series of gestures which I'm not going to describe but you can probably guess.  Then he threatened to slit my throat.  Fortunately after that he was dragged away by his friends. 

I was nervous so I made sure that I was with someone for the rest of the night.  Nothing happened thank goodness.  However it kind of shook me and put me off for the rest of the night.  On top of that or because of that I'm pretty sure that my cousin's friends decided I was gay.  As a consequence ever since I can't get them to hang out with me.  Which sucks and hurts because I would have liked it if we had become friends.

So just be aware it can happen.  Even in today's day and age.  If it does you probably should contact an authority figure.  I should have taking to the bar security but I didn't want to pull any more negative attention to myself.  That could have been a very bad mistake on my part if he had returned with a knife.  Basically just be safe and use common sense.  There are a lot of people you hate out there who hate you.  Those who would very much want to do you great harm.  Just be safe, always be safe.
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