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Moving to England or Canada - Personal Experiences?

Started by ChesireBat, March 20, 2012, 11:57:58 AM

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ChesireBat

So I'm considering moving to either England or Canada within the next year or two.  To those who live in either of those countries, how are trans people treated by the public or the government?  Do you have any legal protections?  How easy is access to T?  Do your insurances cover it?  What is the price of T out of pocket?  Any other comments or concerns for your area that you could give to a prospective nomad would be great.  Thank you!
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Hayzer12

Quote from: ChesireBat on March 20, 2012, 11:57:58 AM
So I'm considering moving to either England or Canada within the next year or two.  To those who live in either of those countries, how are trans people treated by the public or the government?  Do you have any legal protections?  How easy is access to T?  Do your insurances cover it?  What is the price of T out of pocket?  Any other comments or concerns for your area that you could give to a prospective nomad would be great.  Thank you!

I'm moving to Canada as well, so this would be appreciated by  me too. I never thought to ask, but I have often asked myself this and had been meaning to look into it.
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Berserk

I'm from Toronto so I guess I'll answer.

As far as how trans people are treated by public/government. At least here in Toronto it's not totally uncommon for me to hear transphobic comments on public transit. As far as in most social circumstances, depends where you go. There's definitely a base queer/trans positive community here, so there is support. As far as job discrimination, it depends on the job. Obviously you're going to find less discrimination in an office job than at a minimum wage or manual labour job. At my university (UofT) they have measures in place to accommodate trans people. You're allowed to change your name and sex marker on university records without having done so legally. There are a growing number of gender neutral washrooms, and there are lots of resources for trans people. Resources outside the university, there are two main places which are Sherbourne Health Clinic and the 519, both of which are right near the downtown core. Especially since there are also a few more queer/trans positive spaces in the downtown area now, gender neutral washrooms are more common now. There's also quite a bit in the way of trans events so you can meet people etc. Access to OHIP for any kind of SRS/top surgery requires you get citizenship first, afaik, but if you have the money yourself you can get it on the spot without any letters.

Legal protections, right now in most major cities the legal systems understands trans people as protected from discrimination under the sex category. That isn't really a reflection of reality, though, especially for trans people living in low-income situations or who are poc or living with a disability. That's similar everywhere and I guess if you're going to compare us to other nations we may be slightly "better" when it comes to trans rights, whatever that means. There are bills going through both Ontario provincial gov't and federal gov't (Toby's Bill and Bill C-279 previously Bill C-389) to try to add gender expression and identity to the human rights code and criminal code, but activists have been trying to do that for years so...

Honestly, if you're already someone with a lot of social privilege (aka white straight middle class able-bodied etc.) where you live then it's going to be the same here, versus a trans person who has to deal with racism, classism and/or ableism every day is obviously going to come up against more transphobia and discrimination.

For T university benefits and work benefits will cover it (depending if you're part-time or full-time), though for work benefits it depends on the work place. Most places will, afaik, though.

If you're going to move to Canada and are trans, honestly Toronto or Montreal are probably the best places. If you're only an anglophone then stick with Toronto. I'd steer clear of Alberta and most of the West entirely as they tend to be a lot more conservative. Even Vancouver which is pretty progressive, afaik doesn't have as many resources as Toronto/GTA.
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Jeatyn

In england we have the NHS so medical insurance and whatnot is a moot point unless you want to use private doctors. They vary wildly in price. An NHS prescription will cost you £7.50 per item last I checked. (I'm unemployed so mine are free at the moment)

If you're already on T it'll just be a case of transferring your medical records, getting a script, and wondering into a pharmacy and picking it up.

If you aren't....well my experiences have been horrendous, 4 years of pushing and pleading and I'm only just getting treatment. It's not meant to be like that though, it's supposed to be a referral to therapy for 3 months or so, then you get referred to a Gender Clinic and the waiting list is around 6 months....you need at the very least 2 appointments at the clinic to get on T but possibly more depending on if you have any other issues medical or otherwise. So I would expect to wait at the very least a year to get on T after first contact if you find a doctor who isn't an ->-bleeped-<- straight away.

The transphobia really is an individual thing, the whole country isn't biased one way or the other - some people are idiots and some aren't. Lots of places in my area have recently undergone sensitivity training towards trans* people so they will bend over backwards to not offend me for fear of getting sued.

Then of course there's the other end of the spectrum where I almost lost my daughter to social services because they thought being trans made me a monster.

I would also like to add that I don't recommend England on the whole, to anyone regardless of trans status. Our previous government messed everything up so we have no money and a severe overpopulation issue. Unemployment and homelessness are through the roof because there's simply way too many people here and a massive amount of government debt. The new government is trying to fix it but obviously this means cuts all over the place. I swear every two minutes there's some sort of public sector worker strike going on because they want more money or better pensions or whatever...but the government is flat broke, so cuts need to be made.
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allison

I live on the west coast (vancouver island) and we had a huge GSA in my high school with five trans people in it. No one was ever ridiculed or made fun of (to their face anyway, but I never heard any rude comments). Maybe my high school was just super chill. BC is definitely a really liberal province.
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ChesireBat

Thanks for all the responses!  All of your input has been helpful.
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