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Does this sound like penis envy or ->-bleeped-<-?

Started by Alex201, December 25, 2010, 05:28:32 PM

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Alex201

When I was around 6 years old I wanted a pen!s really bad....I would try and convince myself that I would grow one and sometimes stuffed my underwear. I one time asked my mom if God would turn me into a boy because I really wanted a pen!s....she told me God wanted me to be a girl and I got upset at her answer.

Now I hear about pen!s envy quite a bit...so I dont know if that is a sign of ->-bleeped-<- or if its just normal pen!s envy in a young girl.

What do you think?

Thanks.
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xAndrewx

Penis is an okay word on here I think man. So I don't think you have to use the exclamation point, I could be wrong. I've personally never heard of a girl having penis envy.

Sure, I've met teenage girls who wished they weren't able to get pregnant or wished to be a male for the reason of it being simpler. (I always laughed at the simple thing a little because I think in that case it's a "grass is always greener on the other side" type.) So it's not impossible. Seriously though do you have a glbt center near you? Maybe they can set you up with cheap or free counciling because a therapist would be able to better answer your question than we can.

KillBelle

I had penis envy sometimes too with my ex boyfriend (wow i cant believe i just used that term), but most of the time it was because i get so angry knowing that he can wave it around so confidently and positively like he OWNS it. Like hes happy with it, the fact that he has it and he is so proud of having it. Whereas, when i had mine i hated it, there were times i wanted to grab a knife and remove it myself.

Even now after my SRS i still feel a little sadness whenever he kinda rubs it in my face like....HAH!! im a man! im stronger and more masculine and i dominate over u!!!
I dont like that feeling...as i always wished in a way that i was born male...with a male brain.
I dont know if that even makes sense since i WAS BORN biologically male...but i always wanted to be a girl...but then i am a girl who wishes she was born a guy with guy thoughts and mannerisms?
OMG i am so confused.
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spacial

Penis envy was a term coined by Freud. What it was referring to was the resentment that girls feel in relation to their socially and physically inferior state compared to boys.

I appreciate that many have tried to adapt Freud to the modern world. But the reality is that Freud was dealing with a client base of wealthy middle class 19th century women who were reacting to their preposterus lifestyle by becoming neurotic. He did attempt to apply his theoris to psychosis with disasterous results. It developed into behaviourism which resulted in about 50 years of psychiatric patients being teated like naughty school children, being punished with ECT, mind crippling drugs, confinement, even in small spaces. Fortunately, that phase of psychiatry seems to have passed in most of the world.

If I may suggest, try not to annalyse yourself. And try to avoid using terminologies that are more appropriate to someone's bank balance than to the realities of human experience.
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LordKAT

QuoteI dont know if that even makes sense since i WAS BORN biologically male...but i always wanted to be a girl...but then i am a girl who wishes she was born a guy with guy thoughts and mannerisms?
OMG i am so confused.

Not so confusing. If You wanted a guy brain but stuck with a girl one, that makes sense and having a girl brain and guy body but wanting it all to fit together right, that makes sense. Add the 2 together and it still makes sense, either that or I don't.
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CaitJ

Technically it's both. You can be envious of penis and still be TG.
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Nero

Wanting a penis seems consistent with transgendered feelings. However, for any behavior in transgendered children, you'll find non-trans children that exhibited it also. I don't know how common it is for little girls to exhibit penis envy. I'm not up on Freud enough to know how many incidences he actually observed of this.
So, it could be or could not be.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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jmaxley

Quote from: KillBelle on December 25, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
I dont like that feeling...as i always wished in a way that i was born male...with a male brain.
I dont know if that even makes sense since i WAS BORN biologically male...but i always wanted to be a girl...but then i am a girl who wishes she was born a guy with guy thoughts and mannerisms?
OMG i am so confused.

Some part of me wishes I could be happy being female, and feels sad that I never will be happy about it.
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CaitJ

Quote from: LordKAT on December 25, 2010, 06:42:42 PM
Not so confusing. If You wanted a guy brain but stuck with a girl one, that makes sense and having a girl brain and guy body but wanting it all to fit together right, that makes sense. Add the 2 together and it still makes sense, either that or I don't.

It sounds to me more like a privilege envy situation; she likes all the male privileges that comes with being male, but is female (brained).
She'd be better off reading some feminist literature than wishing she was male brained.
Or perhaps this is just an 'I don't want to me trans' reaction to being trans.
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xAndrewx

Just pointing out that Alex prefers male pronouns from what I've read.

Alex201

Quote from: Michael Alexander on December 25, 2010, 08:32:28 PM
Just pointing out that Alex prefers male pronouns from what I've read.
Yes ...I very much prefer male pronouns. Female pronouns disgust me.
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Alex201

Quote from: Vexing on December 25, 2010, 08:24:58 PM
It sounds to me more like a privilege envy situation; she likes all the male privileges that comes with being male, but is female (brained).
She'd be better off reading some feminist literature than wishing she was male brained.
Or perhaps this is just an 'I don't want to me trans' reaction to being trans.
It has nothing to do with male privledge. I could care less about that. I just want a male body.
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Maddie Secutura

Quote from: KillBelle on December 25, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
I dont like that feeling...as i always wished in a way that i was born male...with a male brain.
I dont know if that even makes sense since i WAS BORN biologically male...but i always wanted to be a girl...but then i am a girl who wishes she was born a guy with guy thoughts and mannerisms?
OMG i am so confused.

I understand what you mean exactly.  Some days it would be easier if I actually wanted to have the damn thing.


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Nero

Quote from: Alex201 on December 25, 2010, 08:34:38 PM
Quote from: Michael Alexander on December 25, 2010, 08:32:28 PM
Just pointing out that Alex prefers male pronouns from what I've read.
Yes ...I very much prefer male pronouns. Female pronouns disgust me.

I think Vexing was referring to KillBelle's post.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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xAndrewx

Quote from: Forum Admin on December 25, 2010, 09:00:18 PM
I think Vexing was referring to KillBelle's post.

Oh, sorry Vexing, my bad. I blame it on my tiredness. Sorry!

glendagladwitch

Seems to me that the only people who take "penis envy" seriously have a combination of "brain envy" and "life envy."  It's an outdated idea that was never anything more than an insulting charicature of a theory.  I feel morally obligated to make fun of anyone who brings it up as something to be regarded with anything other than scorn.
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Alex201

Quote from: glendagladwitch on December 25, 2010, 09:32:46 PM
Seems to me that the only people who take "penis envy" seriously have a combination of "brain envy" and "life envy."  It's an outdated idea that was never anything more than an insulting charicature of a theory.  I feel morally obligated to make fun of anyone who brings it up as something to be regarded with anything other than scorn.
is my post offensive? I'm sorry if it is I do not know much about the subject itself I have just heard the term thrown around.
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Farm Boy

Quote from: Alex201 on December 25, 2010, 09:43:53 PM
is my post offensive? I'm sorry if it is I do not know much about the subject itself I have just heard the term thrown around.

No, you were asking a legitimate question.  It's just that it's a mostly discounted theory as far as I know, and it's based off of the inequal treatment received by men and women.  As Spacial said:

Quote from: spacial on December 25, 2010, 06:39:41 PM
Penis envy was a term coined by Freud. What it was referring to was the resentment that girls feel in relation to their socially and physically inferior state compared to boys.

Since your posts are about feeling uncomfortable in your body and with female pronouns, and not about wanting to be male to gain social priviledge, I'd say that this term doesn't apply to you.
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tekla

wanting to be male to gain social priviledge

lot's of guys have like less than zero social privilege

just sayin'
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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CaitJ

Quote from: tekla on December 25, 2010, 10:56:13 PM
wanting to be male to gain social priviledge

lot's of guys have like less than zero social privilege

just sayin'

All males have male privilege.
Hell, even though I haven't lived or been perceived as male for over 3 years, I still have residual benefits from being male, like my education level and my job experience.
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