In essence....were you born female or..is it that you just want to be female

[Ricki]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
you know i am capable of that lunacy right?? hehe.....
Me, booze, and glue not a good combination!
thanks
ricki

[misty]

....hello you bail niters....my pyting is getting chum bettre noo......
.......be glad when we can just talk to our PC's.......!!

.....the smart PC is on its way though......oooooooh creepy
.....suggesting more logical thought to your posts.......in a low pitched  authoritarian voice from deep within its silicon chips it speaks slowly to me......"misty.......you need to think clearer and more logically my child......and maybe put that glass of red wine down while im talking to you".... ....my face turned glum and my lips upturned as I dropped my head in shame........

....or maybe we could have the chips implanted to help out......I could have a higher IQ chip for the day or the evening and find out what it feels like to be clever......!!

...or plug in a higher femininity chip.....on second thoughts definitely no problem there!!!

....anyway no chips on my nails today.....yippeee.....life is cool...!!

misty xxx

[umop ap!sdn]

Last night I was at a group that meets regularly for T* folks, and even though the people there were at various levels of passability, I picked up on each person's vibe or presence that told me they (we) are women (there were no F2Ms there) and I realized that this is the same thing I used to see in myself back in the day, when I used to compare myself to men (because I was "supposed" to become one) and even then I knew guys are nothing like me.

To have it come into focus like that and see it that way, it's all so clear now. And it makes sense too if this vibe is what people around us see. Makes sense why I've been accepted by so many people - I was recently told I act the part. Well, we all act the part, once we can let go and stop holding it back; it's something innate.

Hmm, I hope my late night ramblings are at least somewhat understandable.

[misty]

From the time I first  started going out dressed I didn't at any time feel any sense of  maleness  or anything other than 100% female and likewise my feelings towards the other T girls ...they were always instantly female without thinking about it......& my mannerisms etc just fell naturally that way with no rehearsal..............it was just me being me......

It did throw me momentarily one evening though at a pub/club when I heard one very pretty and petite T girl locked in discussion talking about  block & tackle, carburettor performances and spot welding as I was expecting her to be discussing nail varnish shades and hair removal....but I very quickly acclimatised to that ....her nails by the way were very short ...very practical......and I did try vainly to get in on the conversation but embarrassed myself with my sparse knowledge of sprockets, springs and  pinions and ended up migrating to the dance floor as Abba came on!!.....there's no hope!!

........i wasn't born a mechanic that's for sure!!!......

I also find it so much less stress in life being my female self....when I park the car crooked I don't get concerned anymore......when I can't work out the DVD
recorder instructions I can put it down to my female brain so I don't need to worry that I should easily understand it and just simply ask a male to sort it out for me........all these things I used to occupy my brain with unnecessarily.....let the male brains wear themselves out!!

We can save ours for discussing much more important things like lipstick shades, dress sizes ......and finger nail lengths......!!

misty xxx

[nigno]

At the moment i have one foot in both camps.... I wish I was born female but now am trying to deal with what i've got...

[Melissa]

From the time I first  started going out dressed I didn't at any time feel any sense of  maleness  or anything other than 100% female and likewise my feelings towards the other T girls ...they were always instantly female without thinking about it

Interesting.  I have trouble seeing most t-girls (a name crossdressers typically use) as women--some people who say they're transsexuals too.  This doesn't mean I won't treat them in a respectful manner, because I always do that.  However, there are some I just can not think of as anything other than women.  I see many of the MTFs on these forums that I can't see as anything other than female, but maybe that's because I tend to pick up on vibes well.  I can usually sense a male vibe in many FTMs as well.

Melissa

[misty]

Posted 19th January 2006

I think I just tune into their femininity or portrayal of whatever trans or level of trans they are - even if they are of transuranic proportions but might find an encounter with a transmigrated female soul a little disconcerting!!

Just going off for a transfusion of hot mead –  the transatlantic winds are gale force here right now so I better hang some rocks transversely across the thatch – keep getting transitory power cuts reducing light available for transfiguring before dinner– hope the power surges don't blow the transistors in my pc and my broadband keeps transmitting – if you can translate this transcription by this transcendental transsexual then you may be truly translunary or need a holiday in Transylvania!!

Transoceanic wishes to you

misty  xxx


Posted 20th January 2006


.............help please!!

My mind is in a jumble and I need help with nomenclature and definitions

umop ap!sdn said :-

Last night I was at a group that meets regularly for T* folks, and even though the people there were at various levels of passability, I picked up on each person's vibe or presence that told me they (we) are women

Is the T* in "T* folk" a wild card expression for all trans folk?

misty said :-

I didn't at any time feel any sense of  maleness  or anything other than 100% female and likewise my feelings towards the other T girls

Melissa said :-

I have trouble seeing most t-girls (a name crossdressers typically use) as women

By "T girls" I was following on from how I interpreted (or misinterpreted?!!) the "T* folk"expression.

In my post in using "T girls" I was referring generally to the trans girls in the pub/clubs I was visiting who were in various mental and/or physical states of male to female transformation (permanent or sought temporarily - maybe just for the night and other nights), and who were all dressing seriously to portray their femininity as best as they could not parodying it.

Would this best be stated as "T* girls" (can't be T lady as she is the one who pours the tea!!) or is there a word ("transgender"?) or short phrase that best describes all these levels and degrees of serious portrayal of femininity collectively that is accepted and used world wide?.......should I have said "transgender girls" and if so is there an acceptable shortened version of this such as "trans girls" or "T* girls"??

........your help would be very much appreciated

misty xxx

[umop ap!sdn]

if you can translate this transcription by this transcendental transsexual then you may be truly translunary or need a holiday in Transylvania!!

Guess I'm in trouble then 'cuz I understood.

Is the T* in ?T* folk? a wild card expression for all trans folk?

Yes. I heard it way back when used as an umbrella term.

[Brittany]

I know that I was born female, there's no question about that...can't do anything about it right now, though, so I'm hanging around the Internet for the time being.

[misty]

misty said:-

I know I love being female.........

.........but don't see myself as being born female........it feels more like I have a female soul or core which is now able to express itself freely.....

I see life as much more fun as a female.....I take naturally to it and love it...

Male clothing looks generally quite boring and plain to me

I love the art and styles and freedom in design of female clothing and shoes....I can express myself better

I love wearing jewellery and perfume

I love wearing make up

I love being femininely sensuous with the right atmosphere...candles and nice music etc.....

They are things that natal females love too.....they are all quite normal attributes of being a female if you so desire them....

Being female I am less stressed and far happier in life....

I feel less need to think I should get things always right.....I can off load........downstream.....

I am far less self conscious....

I worry far less....

Being female has made me a far happier and contented person...

This is the effect being female has on me......

........and I can cry openly and profusely in company at the end of a film with a sad ending and not have to try and hold it in......letting my emotions pour out naturally....not feeling restrained or caged.....

I have been released from my cage and I am free to fly.......

misty xxx

[Melissa]

Is the T* in ?T* folk? a wild card expression for all trans folk?

Yes. I heard it way back when used as an umbrella term.

For trans-folk, yes.

But forl the term T Girl, it doesn't include FTMs or those born in a female body.   But is could be used synonymously with transgendered or TG or t-girl (pretty clever, huh?).  Personally I don't consider myself a T-Girl or even a girl for that matter (unless it's another woman playfully referring to me as "girl").  The difference between a t-girl and girl is that the "Trans" part is emphasized and that's usually the closest most crossdresser feel comfortable enough referring to themselves as.  I'm sure if you did a poll, almost all transsexuals would assert that they are a woman over a "t girl".  Not that it's a bad term, I just don't use it.  Nor do I refer to myself as a "->-bleeped-<-", which is actually usually associated with transsexual rather than transvestite anyways.  I think that by using both of these terms you are essentially saying that you don't see yourself as a woman, but as something other than a woman.  That's my opinion on the subject anyways.

Melissa

[misty]

Misty said :-

By "T girls" I was following on from how I interpreted (or misinterpreted?!!) the "T* folk"expression

Hi Melissa

In my post I was referring to a mixture of MTF transgender individuals in the pub-clubs I was visiting..........
I remember the scenes vividly.....they were a colorful mixture of all types of trans (MTF) people of varying degrees of transformation and mostly we were all young enough to be called girls........ and there was one more elderly transgender lady who was very happy to be called one of the girls..........."girls" is used loosely and freely in fun all the time where I live for all ages of females by all types of people including natal females...........
........"girls just wanna have fun"..........

Susan's Place is a place for transgender resources so I presume "transgender" is a good encompassing word, so maybe "transgender girls" is reasonable to use in this context.

Of these transgender girls.............some had received full SRS, some orchiectomy, some just HRT, some thinking about it, some talking about it, some wanting to but couldn't because of their circumstances, some portraying as female and enjoying themselves and happy to be male at their desk the next morning, some happy to be 60/40 others happy to be 28/72, some had wigs, some had real hair and some had thrush!!......and many I didn't know their degree of femininity or their degree of physical change etc, etc, etc......a pleasant and interesting mixture of individuals expressing their femininity in their own individual way and to their own degree........stimulating curiosity, discussion and thought......

So I was needing a word or phrase to describe this mixture of female trans folk succinctly......and then describe how I related to them.........

When out and about at the time I just thought of them all in my head as females.........

misty xxx

[Melissa]

I see.  I prefer ot use the term trans-women.   But if you prefer t-girls, that's fine.  It just conjures up (in my mind) a bunch of crossdressers referring to themselves as t-girls (emphasizing they are not girls by adding the T).

Melissa

[misty]

Hi Melissa

Thank you for your reply

misty said :-

By "T girls" I was following on from how I interpreted (or misinterpreted?!!) the "T* folk"expression

By using "T girls" I was following on from "T* folk" thinking I might be using an appropriate short expression for transgender girls but actually not clear on what was the right expression I should be using in the context in my post which is why I have since asked for help on what is the most appropriate expression to use in that context as my mind was jumbled and confused as to the right one to use.

misty said :-

Would this best be stated as "T* girls" (can't be T lady as she is the one who pours the tea!!) or is there a word ("transgender"?) or short phrase that best describes all these levels and degrees of serious portrayal of femininity collectively that is accepted and used world wide?.......should I have said "transgender girls" and if so is there an acceptable shortened version of this such as "trans girls" or "T* girls"??

........your help would be very much appreciated

I haven't used the "T girl" expression before as far as I know and based on what you have said I would not in the context described above ever use "T girls" again or the "t-girl" expression that you referred to as I was not referring to a specific section of the MTF transgender community.

misty said:-

Susan's Place is a place for transgender resources so I presume "transgender" is a good encompassing word, so maybe "transgender girls" is reasonable to use in this context.

The expression I would use next time in the context I was describing would be "transgender girls" or for convenience the shortened "trans girls" example I suggested as a possible expression above.

Thank you very much for your help.

misty xxx

[umop ap!sdn]

Having had some time to think about it, my vote has now been entered.

If:
- M2Fs are innately of the female gender, thus girls/women, and
- transsexuals are born this way, then it follows that:
- I (and every M2F) was born a girl, but with a horrible birth defect.

[Victoria L.]

I was born a woman.

[RebeccaFog]

Having had some time to think about it, my vote has now been entered.

If:
- M2Fs are innately of the female gender, thus girls/women, and
- transsexuals are born this way, then it follows that:
- I (and every M2F) was born a girl, but with a horrible birth defect.

That's me. Born a girl with a horrible birth defect.

[passiflora]

I was definently born female, evern though I looked male, I always new I was a girl. Transsexualism was the medical affliction I was born with, which has been overcome by transition, so that I could live as my true esscence self, which has always been female. For me I have never seen transtion as a way of "becoming" a woman, I was born that, transition has just allowed me to live a womans life, which is the natural state for me. But thats from the nature, or biological view point I suppose. becuase we also have the social viewpoint, which is being or expressing whatever we feel at some level, so in that regards, I don't think everyone has to be born female in order to live life as a woman I think their are many aspects of our lives that are just social constructions, so people have to do what makes them happy.

live and let live. 

-pass-

[Shana A]

I'd like to answer both but there was no way to do that

No question that I was born who I am, and also I feel it is a conscious choice to live as I am as opposed to hiding it.

zythyra

[misty]

Of those who voted they want to be female I wonder what is your percentage of want.......and at what level of want would you consider fully transitioning
eg if you felt yourself wanting 85% or felt yourself 85% female....would you transition fully, etc etc, .......and this percentage may vary also.....yearly, weekly..........

.....for those who wish to stay in between and never transition fully I find it totally understandable ........whatever your percentage of femininity or label if you choose to have one......you can be you.........if you are allowed to be..... stay as you feel if you wish ....if you can......70/30....20/80....50/50..........

Every case is different
We are all individuals
All have our own feelings on what our femininity is
And how much it is

You may consider yourself 100% female and therefore 100% women
If somebody considers themselves another percentage eg 85 or 50 or 30% female they are entitled to feel they are that percentage of women or girl
and are expressing their femininity at that rate.....or even temporarily at 100% or even 80% of the time at 50% femininity..........whatever they please......
......they can....and they do......

I'm always happy expressing and enjoying my femininity............
It's always been like that ever since I started going out as misty....or staying in as misty.....
I didn't analyse it much.........
I was just out having a good time as my feminine self.....

.........just out on a Friday night or whatever night having a good time, meeting new people and having fun..........enjoying my femininity in all its modes of expression.....

The modes of expression common with natal females.....dressing up for the evening, nice perfume, the jangle of jewellery, smart stylish clothing, sensuousness, fun, mingling, happiness, joking & laughter, chatting, socialising....Making friends , dancing happily with people, making dates,....
Getting advice off natal females on make up, shoes, clothing....was nice to be mothered or complimented on legs......etc........cooking a stir fry for girl friends....dancing the night away......candlelit dinners............just snap shot ramblings of a female soul.........and sometimes wandering lonely in the night and meeting a common soul.............

Virtually no introspective analysis of my femininity .......just being me misty......out as a girl........ I didn't need a label..........knew little of definitions..............just naturally enjoying my femininity....
Exciting... fun.....no need to worry about defining myself.......it didn't enter my head.........

So many people I expect are just like that....just going out having fun and not analysing too much their femininity.......just being more concerned about passing or do they look nice or attractive for the evening......does their hair look nice.......do I look good......do I look smart.......do I look neat.......

.........whatever the percentage of femininity..........you can enjoy it.....
you might not be able to put a percentage on it.......you may not be bothered to.....you may not wish to be included in a group name or label...
and ....its ok.....its you being you .....if you are able to be.....able to express your feminine side fully....

luckily I have always been able to......

....the only label I have is my own....."misty"....
which is me.....free to choose.....free to change my mind whenever I may please....free to see things as right or wrong......free to appreciate and respect others......free to be me.....

that respect of others includes the strong respect for those who identify with a definite identity, definition, disorder or label, etc
that is there free choice..... like I have mine....

Only that person knows what they are........what they want to be
& that as biological beings can change frequently....or may not......

I like all the ranges of femininity
From 1 to 100%...
I love femininity...
For example......I love seeing a male who can dress female for the night ..............and see him get in touch with his feminine side ........and for me to meet his feminine side........ I find so beautiful and so very rewarding...
I am drawn to their femininity.......my female soul.......so bare and so clear.....and feeling so innocent........

.......and on that night their femininity for me doesn't have a transgender label.......I can see them enjoying their femininity ......embracing it....having fun with it.....and suddenly I'm talking to one of the girls....and they see this simple girl before them......my female soul........bared to the world...........barriers gone...............

I therefore do embrace all levels and percentages of transgender.........
I've had different levels myself in the past...
its not in any way a problem to me ....quite the opposite.... whatever the percentage an individual has I am drawn to it and curious about it and interested in it....
its my female soul wanting to connect with other female vibrations or female souls.........

and accept them each as individuals with their own sense of identity like we all normally have........
our identity is what we think it is.......
we don't let anybody else decide that.....
neither does any one of us want a gender label or level of gender identity given to us that is not ours....that is not true......that is presumed or assumed ...for convenience, simplification or otherwise.....

....... others are strongly within a group, definition or label.........and I respect wholeheartedly their choice.......for they have freely chosen that label, definition or group as fitting  their persona......

my identity is me only.......this is my label.......

"misty"

......hopefully you are free to be yourself........
.......and free to express your femininity.......
......I wish you all well in that...

misty xxx

......long nails getting in the way of my typing again..........

Qwerty......ooouioops!!