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Would you prevent your child from being TG?

Started by Debtv, August 27, 2005, 11:30:38 PM

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If they figured out how to monitor your womans hormornal wash to prevent your child from being tg...would you do it? Why?

Yes, I would want to prevent my child from being tg.
No, I'd rather let nature take it's course.

Janet_Girl

Having been through a childhood where I was not allowed to be anything but my birth gender, if I had had a child who was Transgendered, I would be their biggest ally, and let them explore that part of themselves.

Respectfully:
Being Trans is from birth.  John Money proved it was not nurture, when his little experiment, John/Joan fail.  We may not know why or how, but it is from birth.  We had no choice in being Trans.  We have a choice to transition or not.

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CaitJ

Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 28, 2010, 12:58:20 AM
Respectfully:
Being Trans is from birth.  John Money proved it was not nurture, when his little experiment, John/Joan fail.  We may not know why or how, but it is from birth.  We had no choice in being Trans.  We have a choice to transition or not.

I'm sure you know enough science to also know that once uncontrolled sample does not prove a hypothesis?
The evidence that being trans is inborn is strong, but only a very bad scientist would make that irrefutable claim that it is inborn, without a complete understanding of the eitiology :)
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Janet_Girl

Yes it is an hypothesis.  But with Money John/Joan experiment, that proved it was not nurture, it can be conclude that it is nature.  And so far there is no evidence that it is not inborn.  Therefore I think one can it can be said "we are born this way, for whatever reason".

And I am not going to derail the thread by further discussion.  If you wish to continue, please do it by PM.

Oh and totally unrelated I love the ring.  Lucky Girl, he is a keeper.  ;D  For more than one reason I am sure.
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heatherrose



I have often replied, when confronted by religious zealots demanding
"What GOD has created should not be messed with!",
"So what you are saying is, a child's parents should not allow surgery,
correcting a cleft lip because GOD created the child that way."

In answering the question posed by the O.P., I reference my above statement,
in saying, "Yes, I would most definitely do all that I could to ensure that my child
would be born with the primary sexual characteristics with which they identify,
if such an INFALLIBLE procedure were available.   

"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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Rock_chick

Yuk, what a moraly repugnant idea, attempting to "correct" a child of being TG. I really don't see my being the way i am as either a curse or a blessing, it's just the way i am. As much as i have wished that i was born female or could be happy being male, neither of those people would be me...i actually quite like being me, i think i turned out ok in the end. So no i wouldn't want to prevent any child of mine being ts, i'd just love them and support them on their journey through life.
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cynthialee

I think alot of you who responded need to go back and re-read the original post.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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pixiegirl

I think a lot of people have different ideas about what the original question is... but agree with cynthia. Seriously have to argue with the viewpoint of the 'leave well enough alone' people though.
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CaitJ

If your answer is predicated on how miserable you are as a TG person, consider that if society stops treating TG people poorly and it's dealt with as a normal anomaly (like needing braces for your teeth), would you still feel the same?
If being TG wasn't a big deal, would you still try to prevent it?
If having green eyes was the 'Mark of Satan' would you prevent your child being born with green eyes?
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cynthialee

Quote from: Vexing on December 31, 2010, 02:48:26 PM
If your answer is predicated on how miserable you are as a TG person, consider that if society stops treating TG people poorly and it's dealt with as a normal anomaly (like needing braces for your teeth), would you still feel the same?
If being TG wasn't a big deal, would you still try to prevent it?
If having green eyes was the 'Mark of Satan' would you prevent your child being born with green eyes?
that completely changes the equation
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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mr_marc

I wouldnt stop my kid from being trans if i had one, if their trans their trans. Just one of them things, i'd be more worried about them because i know what it entails.
But you cant prevent any one from being anything if it's already in their nature.
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Jennifer

#50
I voted yes.
Jennifer
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Rock_chick

still definitely, and defiantly, a no. To say yes means you see being TS as inherently bad. I don't.
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cynthialee

I personaly do not see TS as being bad. most of my close friends are TS.
But I recognise society has a serious issue with us.

So I still say yes. If we could prevent the condition from hapinging in the womb so as to ensure the child is born cis I think it would be the best thing we could do for the child.

Now if we lived in a more accepting society I would not. I think that people like us are special and have a unique outlook that society benifits from.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: Jennifer on December 31, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
I voted yes. Read the question carefully. Most of us are going to great lengths to get our bodies to match our brain, why not have that happen in the womb the way nature intended?

Interesting interpretation.  It seems that most of us were assuming that the operation would involve changing the brain rather than the body.  But given the vagueness of the original question, your perception is also accurate.

In the case of changing the body to match the mind, I'm still not certain I would do it.  "The way nature intended" is a very difficult thing to interpret.  What if nature intended someone to be TG?  How would we know otherwise?  Even though my life has been difficult, I've learned many things that I probably wouldn't have learned if I had been born in a female body.  I don't necessarily know that my life would have been BETTER as a female, I only know for certain that my life would have been easier.  The only way for me to know whether my life would have been better is to relive my life as a female, which is impossible.
"The cake is a lie."
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xAndrewx

Cool topic. I'm ashamed to admit it but I answered no. I remember looking into my daughter's innocent eyes and swearing to protect her but being tg is a hard thing to protect a child from. I just mean... I was beaten up in school, put through what many of us go through, and I would rather my child not have to deal with that. If my kid was tg though I would support and help in every way possible.

JosephKT

In a world where we had enough technological understanding to figure out if a child would be tg, I would hope it is also a world is not as ignorant as the one we live in now.  If that is the case, I not saying total acceptance, but that society has a overall better understanding, I would like to "let nature take its course."  As a someone who is non-op, I think there are more genders than strictly male, female, and men born in female bodies, and females born in male bodies, that there are legitimate genders in between we just don't have names for.
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Rock_chick

Quote from: cynthialee on December 31, 2010, 09:40:47 PM

Now if we lived in a more accepting society I would not. I think that people like us are special and have a unique outlook that society benifits from.

give it another 20 years and being TS will be no different than having blue eyes or something. Besides, once all the trans-speciests start coming out of the wood work we'll look like shinning beacons of normality.

"Mum. Dad. I don't really know how to say this but I want to transition Human to Dolphin"

*mum and dad's collective jaw hits the floor and doesn't move for a bit"

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Pica Pica

'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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pixiegirl

Quote from: Helena on January 01, 2011, 06:06:34 AM
"Mum. Dad. I don't really know how to say this but I want to transition Human to Dolphin

Can you imagine an internet flooded with blowhole op pics?
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Double_Rainbow

No, I don't think I would with my daughter.  For now, I'm just going to go on and treating her like a daughter...but if for any reason she should declare she is a boy, well then I'll giver her the respect and treat like a boy!  I just want society to accept me as a woman, so that would be kind of twisted to try and prevent her from being who she is.
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