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What is 'Cis Privilege'?

Started by CaitJ, January 27, 2011, 02:38:58 PM

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sonopoly

Cait, I don't think you can compare either situation.  I think that what I was saying was that I couldn't possibly even imagine either situation, and probably wouldn't be able to tolerate either situation.  I don't think you, Cait, as a transgender woman could imagine what it would be like to be in Aron's situation, no more than I could imagine what it would be like in yours.  Or, can you say that YOU can imagine what Aron was going through and we shouldn't question you about this.
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CaitJ

Quote from: sonopoly on January 31, 2011, 07:08:29 PM
Cait, I don't think you can compare either situation.  I think that what I was saying was that I couldn't possibly even imagine either situation, and probably wouldn't be able to tolerate either situation.  I don't think you, Cait, as a transgender woman could imagine what it would be like to be in Aron's situation, no more than I could imagine what it would be like in yours.  Or, can you say that YOU can imagine what Aron was going through and we shouldn't question you about this.

Well, here's the fundamental difference:
I didn't choose the set of circumstances which made me trans.
Aaron did choose the set of circumstance which lead to him hacking his arm off.

I have a vague idea of what Aaron's situation would be like, since I nearly lost my lower left leg in a skiing accident. I can relate to the pain, I can relate to the fear of losing a limb, I can relate to the thoughts of being disabled for the rest of my life. Obviously I can't relate to the entire scenario (for one I'm not stupid enough to get in a situation like his one, I follow safety rules and practices).
You've probably broken a bone or been in great pain or had a bad injury at some time, so you can also relate to Aaron's experience on some primal level.
But I don't supposed you know how it feels to be transgender, since you're not transgender and there aren't many circumstances which are even vaguely similar to being trans.

Anyway, I'm not sure where all this is going. I've totally lost what your original point was.
Perhaps we could get back to the main topic?  :)
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ToriJo

Reading this thread and other discussions on this site, I want to say that I feel welcome here.  I can understand this experience may not be universal among cisgender people, and I respect those different experiences.  But I expected a lot less welcoming in this space.  After all, many people here have been hurt by people who share a trait in common with me.  And, in some significant ways, I am a foreigner to most people here (including many other SOs who were introduced to this site's subjects in a different way).

If I am a visiting a foreign country, I have to learn to respect that country - even when they have problems with my home country.  It isn't my responsibility to correct every misconception about my home country through debate.  And I'll probably have a miserable time if I take every view of my home country personally.

Of course that doesn't mean that the foreign people might not have valid points.  If I go to Europe and hear about "ugly Americans", they might have observed something real.  And, perhaps, I'd do good to listen - maybe I should take care to recognize that there are lots of countries other than America, for instance, or that America isn't the best at everything.

So, when I'm here, I try to recognize that people here might see a side of cisgender people that I don't generally see myself - just as I don't see America the way Europeans might.  While Europeans are not experts on Americans, and transgender people are not experts on cisgender people, that doesn't mean that Europeans and transgender people don't have a unique perspective with valid observations - sometimes observations I'd rather weren't true, but which would do me a lot of good to hear anyhow.
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sonopoly

I absolutely don't know what it is like to be transgendered and realize that I can never even imagine what it is like and the suffering many transgendered people go through.  I only know that I would like to support you in the best way that I can.  I don't have any ulterior motives, except that I enjoy it here and I enjoy your company.

I found this place because I wanted to learn more about transgendered people, and I have learned a lot and continue to learn, but along the way I've found this to be a comfortable place for me amongst really nice, interesting, and intelligent people.  I guess I got sucked in, and would have a hard time pulling myself away.  I'm not here to save transgendered people, though I would support them to anyone I meet and hopefully be able to inform the uninformed in the most positive of ways.

I'm glad you're back, Cait.
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sonopoly

Thank you, Perlita, for the vote of confidence!  It is SOOOOO appreciated!  I've been having some tough times for a while, and also thought maybe I was hurting more than helping here, so I went away for awhile, but, of course, I  couldn't keep myself away.  I really missed it here, because people are so honest and compassionate here.  That's why I'm here, the wonderful and caring people.  I can't seem to find this anywhere else on the internet.
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