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Being Andro with children

Started by shelly, February 16, 2011, 07:22:33 AM

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shelly

Have been very open around my kids as reguards to being Andro, stop short at wearing skirts, dresses when my eldest is around, but i think nothing of wearing leggins, pumps the odd girly top and they also know i wear knickers, shave my legs and paint my toe nails. I have tried to explain to my 8 year old that just because a girl has a "lilly" and boy a "sausage" dont make them totally male or female.
My eldest was around when i had an arguement with one of the neighbours and stepped out into the middle of the road and shouted "im a ->-bleeped-<-, i wear womans clothes"  and between my wife and ,i we have tried to explain that i am both male and female and every now and then he will ask questions about it.However last night he felt that i was wearing a bra and asked why i was wearing one, i just said because my chest hurts. So on the one hand i am trying to explain what i am, but on the other im making up total rubbish.

I asked an agony aunt how best to go about explaining my condition to my kids a few years back and was told under no terms should i involve them in that side of me, as i could effect their development as they got older, but i decided it would be easier to explain if i was open about it, rather than make out that i was just your normal run of the mill dad, guess only years to come will i know if i made the right decision or not.

Just wondering what others thought?
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Eva Marie

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I think that whether or not you choose to tell your kids is an extremely *personal* decision. My kids are teenagers (i have two girls) and when i figured out my situation the wife and i thought it better to just not say anything. They are in high school with plenty of teen/fitting in/friend drama and them knowing about me..... would just be too much. Had i figured it out when they were younger - sure, i'd probably tell them. They are soon to head off to college and then it won't be an issue any longer.

Please note that I thought that this was the right decision for me and my family. I am not suggesting that everyone do the same, or inviting criticism of my choice.

Shelly - It sounds like maybe you have younger kids, and i think that they are more adaptable at that age. I hope it all goes well for you.
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Virginia

And another take-
Our son is 27, lives on his own and my GD didn't become an issue until about two years ago. I am not out to anyone except for my wife, our son and the medical professionals who treat me. I present in public as male or female, but my presentations are extremely compartmentalized, absolutely NO cross gender dressing in guy mode or girl mode.

After about 6 months, weight loss to skin & bones, long hair and shaved  legs, my son asked me if something was wrong. I told him I was going through a mid life crisis and would explain more when I had a better idea of what was happening. But not to worry; I was in therapy and on medication. That was enough of an answer til this past summer when he confronted me again. I told him I was bigender. My son asked a few questions and was quite relieved to hear "that's all it was." He hasn't brought it up since.

All the wrangling my wife and I did over him finding out and he barely batted an eye. Times sure have changed since I was his age in the 1970's...
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Simone Louise

I have thought all day how to respond to your question, Shelly. Like Riven, I've never discussed the broader issues with my children. I, too, think each child and each family is different.

My first wife had many problems with me. I only heard years later, when the children of that marriage told the second wife that the first wife told them she could not respect a man who carried a purse (me), and warned my son to be careful not to follow in my footsteps. I remember discussions with the kids about why daddy's hair is longer than mommy's. Fortunately, I, my wife, and my ex-wife all have close and loving relationships with each child and their families. Their relations with their step-father are less close, but that is a different story. As far as I can tell, none of my children has gender issues.

As my youngest daughter (the child of my second marriage) went through her teen years, she found some of my actions problematic. She would be outraged when I skipped and at some of my clothing choices--my red shoes, for example. My attitude has been that I listened to her objections, and tried not to bait her, but I did not give her a veto. On the other hand, for instance, she does not want me around when she tries on bras, and I respect her wishes.

On of the happiest moments of my life came as she was about to graduate high school. She gave a party for the "other mothers", who had helped her along her way, including me as the only male-bodied honoree. Now she's a Junior, on the Dean's list, at a university four-hours drive from home, and we are still a close family. She and her mother tease me about being weird, she knows about my ADHD (but doesn't want to discuss that either), and we still don't talk about gender.

Be well and happy,
S
Choose life.
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sfem

A tough question, and one that makes me think. Not just about my answer, but about how much I'm willing to put into a public forum. I am strongly in agreement that what does or doesn't work or appear to work for me and my family may be irrelevant, helpful, or harmful to yours. But it isn't up to me to decide if my experience should be applied to anyone else's life.

Forging ahead...

We have been happily married for over 25 years. Our kids are grown, daughter off to post-secondary studies out of town, but not very far; son in post-secondary, still living at home with us. We have never discussed the topic with our kids, rarely discuss much of it ourselves. She is happier that way, and what makes her happy usually makes me happy. I occasionally feel a bit alone, but nothing I can't live with or work around. Things like online forums help in my opinion.
The idea of talking to our kids about the topic has never even come up. I feel my son would take it very badly and to no purpose. I would gain nothing from him knowing, he would only get pain and confusion from it I think. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. My daughter may be more open to it as a topic, but I have to wonder there too. She has taken a few post-secondary courses where she has had to choose topics for papers and presentations. She invariably avoids anything related to ->-bleeped-<- and related topics. I'm not sure if that means anything. Perhaps the day will come when the topic comes up with her, perhaps not. I don't imagine it ever will with my son.

I don't know if anything in that is helpful, but maybe it is.
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Kendall

When I wear a dress, my 18 year-old son shakes his head, grabs my shoulders and says," you're a man, not a woman." He does not want to hear about female brains in male bodies. But he does not blink at my night gowns. He thinks my color choices are awful. He also says three people live in our house - him, the male me and the female me. He has other things that worry him more

Kendall
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Juliet

Kids are tricky to talk to with a lot of things.  Don't feel bad about telling them the truth and then sometimes telling them rubbish.  Its ok.  I work with kids and its always a mix of telling the truth where you can and sometimes it makes sense not to get into it.  I think you're doing fine-- no worries!

Susan Baum

I was out to my wife before we were wed - she knew of everything from my start to the failed stab at HRT and beyond.  We never tried to conceal "Susan" from our daughter.  For the most part she was OK with it and relished shopping trips, girl time and being the "darling" child at more than a few Tri-ess parties.  Imagine how I felt when she bought me gifts like a chamisole and hose when she had her first job (actually only one throughout) high school... 

Unfortunately, her attitude changed about midway through college and she became so judgmental, Chelle and I never brought it up again in her presence.  Since Chelle's passing, she has only voiced a few highly derogatory comments my direction - but since it takes a full day of travel to even go visit her and her young family and TSA being what it is, it is highly unlikely that Susan would ever visit her home anyway... 

Susan
Aging is inevitable - growing up is optional.
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Virginia

Susan, your post brings tears to my eyes-  from the loss of your wife to the loss of your daughter's acceptance. Why are we so quick to give up the unconditional love, acceptance and innocence of youth?
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Susan Baum

Thank you for the warm thoughts, Virginia. 

I think Daughter type became embarrassed about me when she met her (now) husband - who was and is still something of a "hunk;" except that he doesn't really care for team sports and would rather read a good book, he's the archetypical "manly man."  If that was her bar, I would never have measured up to her standards anyway...   I think her increased "attitude" is in part grief and her own guilt at not seeing her mom in the weeks before she passed...  I don't feel ill will towards my daughter, just a deep sadness because I've lost not one but both of the great loves of my life.   

Quote from: Virginia on March 16, 2011, 07:21:53 PM
Why are we so quick to give up the unconditional love, acceptance and innocence of youth?
Isn't that the question of all questions? 
Some folks don't ever forget unconditional love or acceptance; I was wed to one who did not and strive to hold on to what remains of mine.  Could it be Innocence and Awe have been supplanted by digital "reality," instant gratification, fast food instead of family time and avarice.... just as "Sex in the City" replaced "Leave it to Beaver." 

For now, I still choose love, acceptance and awe - for I know with each day a new wonder will appear.

~Hugs~
Susan



Aging is inevitable - growing up is optional.
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tekla

Why are we so quick to give up the unconditional love, acceptance and innocence of youth?

That seems like nostalgia more than reality.  Work at an elementary school for a few years and you'll find that most of that is not true, and what is tends toward 'naive' rather than 'innocent.'  Kids form cliques all by themselves, choosing some, excluding most, from a very early age.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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espo

  Kids form cliques all by themselves, choosing some, excluding most, from a very early age.

Ain't that the truth!
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