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Started by Dominick_81, February 15, 2011, 06:37:17 PM

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tekla

I'd do anything for her

You are 29 and living at home, most women that age are looking for something more than that.  For sure they are not going to like you taking them home saying "Shh, don't wake mom up" - that ain't exactly going to get them hot and runny.  They are looking for someone who has a career, a life, a place of their own.
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Dominick_81

Quote from: Kohdy on February 16, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I am also saddened by the way bi women are perceived in society. I'm in a monogamous relationship with a bi woman myself. Bisexual doesn't mean "I'll have sex with anything that moves," sheesh...

Dominick, I don't understand why you feel the need to narrow your choices down to just one demographic. It's of course your own decision, but I think you would be alot happier if you just searched for someone who accepted you for who you are, instead of being picky about what gender they are, what their target gender in a partner is, etc etc.

I dunno. I guess b/c I'm not a real guy and real guys are with straight women and that's what I want. Like I said, I have nothing against  gay, or bi women. I would date a bi person if she would accept me and see's me as her boyfriend and be in a straight relationship with me.

Quote from: Lance M. on February 16, 2011, 09:48:26 PM
T won't make all the straight girls want you either, i hate to say. some certainly are attracted to FTM's and see them as men, but a LOT, once they find out you are lacking the cock will lose interest. gay FTM's face the same issue, a lot of guys they meet discount them as sex partners when they learn the penis is missing. some people have an eternal love affair with the cock...i personally will never understand it but it is clearly there, haha.

it seems to me like you have some very unrealistic expectations about T. i wish it could do more for us to we are limited by how we were born...we will never be "identical" to cisguys. again, many have mentioned this but i concur...T is a package deal, it comes with joys, limitations, challenges, inconveniences...possibly slightly unattractive puberty-related effects.

i don't think i have mentioned your acne concern yet. i have had bad acne since teens...it has gotten a lot better but it is still very noticeable, especially around certain times of the month. it really doesn't bother me anymore. it used to be a HUGE hangup, but if people are gonna judge me based on my acne they can go f@ck themselves.

i was TERRIFIED that my gf wouldn't want to kiss my face when we first met. i was so ashamed. but she would grab my face in her hands, stroke it, give it TONS of kisses. someone who loves you is not gonna care. unless maybe it's bleeding and pus is leaking out but that's not an issue if you don't pick and keep it clean.

The thing with straight women is if it's a dick that they want, they can still have sex with a trans guy, but I like to look at it this way for a straight women, especially straight women who like sex... they can have as much sex as they want and not worry about catching anything... correct me if I'm wrong in that.

I'm glad you have a girlfriend that can see past the acne and see you for you. But for me it bothers me to have it on my face. It doesn't bother me that other people have acne on their face, I don't judge people.

Quote from: Tad on February 16, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
It's possible to get straight women without T. Sure it might be harder finding the right one, though I'm not sure. I was with a straight women prior to starting T.. oh for over 5 months. Still with her but now on T. Didn't mean she saw me any less of a man. If you find the right gal she is going to treat you like a dude no matter what you have on your chest and in between your legs. Chances are that the trans part is going to be the bigger turn off for women - not that you still have a vagina or whatever if they've gotten past the fact youre trans.

And why are you scared of acne? The only person that has ever commented on it/judged me on it seems to be my dad, and I'm okkay with that. Most people don't care that you have acne, the only time I remember it's there is when I look in the mirror. I have acne, but I am not acne. It's just a skin condition, it doesn't change who I am.

That is true. I met a girl online who is straight and was willing to go out with me and she see's me a guy b/c that's how she first new me as, but I just saw her as a friends. I couldn't go out with her for the wrong reasons as much as I wanted to so I could have a gf, I couldn't and wouldn't do it for the wrong reasons. It wouldn't have been fair to her.

I just commented about the acne above. "But for me it bothers me to have it on my face. It doesn't bother me that other people have acne on their face, I don't judge people."

I'm sorry your dad comments/judges you on that. He shouldn't do that.

Quote from: tekla on February 16, 2011, 09:57:13 PM
I'd do anything for her

You are 29 and living at home, most women that age are looking for something more than that.  For sure they are not going to like you taking them home saying "Shh, don't wake mom up" - that ain't exactly going to get them hot and runny.  They are looking for someone who has a career, a life, a place of their own.

I know. I understand that. In my mind I'll be out of my mom's house and having my own apartment. I definitely know women get turned off by that.

I wanna go back to school but I can't b/c I don't have the money. I know what I want to do in life, career wise, it's getting there is the hard part and I need to go back to school, but am unable to b/c I have no money and vessid won't pay anymore. I'm in-debt right now with school loans and other stuff.
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Sharky

I suggest using the term cis vs real guy. Anyway, so anyone who dates a bi sexual woman, another man, etc, isn't a real guy?

Not sure I read that right, you can still give a girl an STD with a strap on.

No one wants acne or likes having it. I couldn't imagine not wanting all the benefits of T just because it will cause acne.
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Elijah3291

Quote from: Dominick_81 on February 16, 2011, 10:31:05 PM

The thing with straight women is if it's a dick that they want, they can still have sex with a trans guy, but I like to look at it this way for a straight women, especially straight women who like sex... they can have as much sex as they want and not worry about catching anything... correct me if I'm wrong in that.

For most women, a biological penis is more appealing then a rubber one.  Just the honest truth, same for gay guys.  I'm gay, and don't care much for penis' but that is because I am a top.  What appeals to most women (at least I would assume) is how it gets erect, and how it gets hot.  You also have to consider that a lot of straight women will go through a period of questioning their own sexuality when they are dating a trans man.
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Tad

You didn't say why it bothered you having it on your face though. That was my question? Really why is it such a big deal? I mean no one likes it, the most they are is indifferent to it. But I really haven't met anyone as terrified as acne as you seem to be. I mean, if you really are trans and really want to become male, are you going to let the fear of acne stop you? IF you are, youre priorities are seriously screwed up.

Why  are you so against acne?

Are you scared people are judging you on it? If that's the case.. then, you've just said you don't judge others, other people in the thread have said it.. youre not going to run into too many people who care that you have acne? Why? Because everyone goes through it. Everyone gets pimples from time to time. Hell my parents are in their 50's and they still get acne. it's part of being alive. But if it really bothers you, just wash your face with a good product, or if it turns out to be bad - get accutane or something like that.

Do you think you look like a freak with acne? Well that's up for you to decide - based on your own self perception - but if this is the case, you really need to adjust your self image.

Are you obsessive about having a perfect face? If so.. well you should probably avoid lots of other things besides T. All sorts of things can cause acne break outs. Stress, certain foods, estrogen..

Really in the end, the only reason I know that people that have been this horrified by acne is because they are vain about their looks. I have a few friends who view acne the same as you. They are the people who freak out over a pimple or two, because they worry that when people will look at them, they will see the pimple and think omg they are ugly. All of a sudden the pimple defines them.. and omg - I have a pimple! I'ma freak and everyones going to see me as such.

I don't know, maybe there is other reasons that I'm missing that would apply to you. But you really need to evaluate why you do not want acne.

Chances are, you will likely notice an increase in acne from this first shot - most people I've talked to says the first shot starts the acne up and that it lasts for a few years whether it be mild or serious unless they intervene with some kind of treatment.
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Dominick_81

Quote from: Sharky on February 16, 2011, 10:45:39 PM
I suggest using the term cis vs real guy. Anyway, so anyone who dates a bi sexual woman, another man, etc, isn't a real guy?

Not sure I read that right, you can still give a girl an STD with a strap on.

No one wants acne or likes having it. I couldn't imagine not wanting all the benefits of T just because it will cause acne.

sorry, I don't know what some of these terms mean, so I used the word "real" guy meaning, born male. I don't mean to offend anyone when I say that, I just mean guys born male.


so anyone who dates a bi sexual woman, another man, etc, isn't a real guy?

No, your taking that wrong. I'm not sure how to explain what I mean, cause what I say is always taken wrong by people. I'm still not sure how to explain what I mean.

Since I got my shot I've been washing my face with soap and water and then washing it with the neutrogena stuff twice a day.

I didn't know you could still give a girl an STD with a strap on. How though? I don't understand?

Quote from: Elijah on February 16, 2011, 10:52:30 PM
For most women, a biological penis is more appealing then a rubber one. 

I totally get that. That's why I want a real penis, b/c that's what straight women want.

Quote from: Tad on February 16, 2011, 10:53:50 PM
You didn't say why it bothered you having it on your face though. That was my question? Really why is it such a big deal? I mean no one likes it, the most they are is indifferent to it. But I really haven't met anyone as terrified as acne as you seem to be. I mean, if you really are trans and really want to become male, are you going to let the fear of acne stop you? IF you are, youre priorities are seriously screwed up.

Why  are you so against acne?

Are you scared people are judging you on it? If that's the case.. then, you've just said you don't judge others, other people in the thread have said it.. youre not going to run into too many people who care that you have acne? Why? Because everyone goes through it. Everyone gets pimples from time to time. Hell my parents are in their 50's and they still get acne. it's part of being alive. But if it really bothers you, just wash your face with a good product, or if it turns out to be bad - get accutane or something like that.

Do you think you look like a freak with acne? Well that's up for you to decide - based on your own self perception - but if this is the case, you really need to adjust your self image.

Are you obsessive about having a perfect face? If so.. well you should probably avoid lots of other things besides T. All sorts of things can cause acne break outs. Stress, certain foods, estrogen..

Really in the end, the only reason I know that people that have been this horrified by acne is because they are vain about their looks. I have a few friends who view acne the same as you. They are the people who freak out over a pimple or two, because they worry that when people will look at them, they will see the pimple and think omg they are ugly. All of a sudden the pimple defines them.. and omg - I have a pimple! I'ma freak and everyones going to see me as such.

I don't know, maybe there is other reasons that I'm missing that would apply to you. But you really need to evaluate why you do not want acne.

Chances are, you will likely notice an increase in acne from this first shot - most people I've talked to says the first shot starts the acne up and that it lasts for a few years whether it be mild or serious unless they intervene with some kind of treatment.

Yes, I'm afraid people will judge me. I'm afraid that if there's a girl I like  she will not like me back b/c of my acne.

I hate the way I look so having acne just makes me feel worse about myself.

Chances are, you will likely notice an increase in acne from this first shot - most people I've talked to says the first shot starts the acne up and that it lasts for a few years whether it be mild or serious unless they intervene with some kind of treatment.

That's not good. If I stop T and don't get my 2nd shot will it go away within days?


Quote from: Lance M. on February 16, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
besides, you're TRANS...you have a lot worse coming to you than what people think about your weight, your acne, what kind of girl you date...etc. people are gonna judge you because you're trans...and say more hurtful things than anyone could ever say about your appearance. just sayin'. even if you were supahhottsexiboy people would see you and just think "->-bleeped-<-."

not everyone but cruel and horrible people do exist.

Those are my least concerns. My appearance is something that bothers me and will always bother me. People judging me on how I look bothers me.







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tekla

I think that's a huge problem with a lot of transpersons is that they either go through a second adolescence or really had the breaks put on growing up and when they wake up they are pretty far behind their peers so it would help to come up with a strategy to try to bridge that gap.  You'll be up against - and dating is competition - with guys who, regardless of how 'male' anyone looks, are going to come across as much more mature (and chicks dig mature, guys' not so much) and stable and secure.  They have been out on their own for a decade or so, have a household, if not a house, and lots of experience.  It takes a few mis-steps along the way to get it right, I went through three GFs before I learned a very basic rule about gifts like: Don't buy her anything that plugs in.  Really, she doesn't think that a waffle iron is a set up for hot Valentines Day sex.  Also you don't have that old boys network to run all that info through.  I would have given out five or six more waffle irons had a buddy not set me straight on that.  So you should try to find one/create one somehow.  After all, few things in the world are as complex as a relationship with a straight women.  And the older the person is, the more the security deal weighs heavy on their mind.  Living an artsy-fartsy boho life of milk crate furniture, Ramen noodles and jug wine is pretty romantic at 19, at 29, not so much.  I think the older people get, the less the trans thing might matter, but the more the rest of that other stuff, security, maturity and independence do.

Point is, lot more to all of this than a couple of shots of T.
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Elijah3291

Quote from: Dominick_81 on February 16, 2011, 11:16:47 PM


I totally get that. That's why I want a real penis, b/c that's what straight women want.



that is not possible, not to your standards.  Neither surgery will give you a real penis, meta gives the sensation and erections, but not much length, phallo gives you the length, but not the realistic appearence and erections.

You are going to have to face reality and accept what cannot be done, or you will never be happy.
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Dominick_81

Quote from: tekla on February 16, 2011, 11:17:50 PM
I think that's a huge problem with a lot of transpersons is that they either go through a second adolescence or really had the breaks put on growing up and when they wake up they are pretty far behind their peers so it would help to come up with a strategy to try to bridge that gap.  You'll be up against - and dating is competition - with guys who, regardless of how 'male' anyone looks, are going to come across as much more mature (and chicks dig mature, guys' not so much) and stable and secure.  They have been out on their own for a decade or so, have a household, if not a house, and lots of experience.  It takes a few mis-steps along the way to get it right, I went through three GFs before I learned a very basic rule about gifts like: Don't buy her anything that plugs in.  Really, she doesn't think that a waffle iron is a set up for hot Valentines Day sex.  Also you don't have that old boys network to run all that info through.  I would have given out five or six more waffle irons had a buddy not set me straight on that.  So you should try to find one/create one somehow.  After all, few things in the world are as complex as a relationship with a straight women.  And the older the person is, the more the security deal weighs heavy on their mind.  Living an artsy-fartsy boho life of milk crate furniture, Ramen noodles and jug wine is pretty romantic at 19, at 29, not so much.  I think the older people get, the less the trans thing might matter, but the more the rest of that other stuff, security, maturity and independence do.

Point is, lot more to all of this than a couple of shots of T.

I know how to treat a lady and I know the turn offs with women. I will be together when I find a women. I will be out on my own, with a career and the women does not need to worry b/c I will take care of her, always.

Quote from: Elijah on February 16, 2011, 11:24:55 PM
that is not possible, not to your standards.  Neither surgery will give you a real penis, meta gives the sensation and erections, but not much length, phallo gives you the length, but not the realistic appearence and erections.

You are going to have to face reality and accept what cannot be done, or you will never be happy.

I know. I understand this. That's why I can't think about it, cause it's extremely depressing for me.

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Sharky

Quote from: Dominick_81 on February 16, 2011, 11:16:47 PM
I didn't know you could still give a girl an STD with a strap on. How though? I don't understand?

You have sex with an infected person, strap on not disinfected, have sex with someone else and pass it on.

Quote from: Dominick_81 on February 16, 2011, 11:28:20 PM
I know. I understand this. That's why I can't think about it, cause it's extremely depressing for me.

You need to think about it, accept it, move on.
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Dominick_81

Quote from: Sharky on February 16, 2011, 11:39:51 PM
You have sex with an infected person, strap on not disinfected, have sex with someone else and pass it on.

You need to think about it, accept it, move on.

I don't think I'll ever be able to except not having a real penis. That's why I don't think about it b/c it depresses me.

I'm still not understand this... You have sex with an infected person, strap on not disinfected, have sex with someone else and pass it on

The penis is not real, I don't get it? How can a women get an STD with a fake penis?

Quote from: Lance M. on February 16, 2011, 11:43:49 PM
just a friendly tip with the face washing - if you over do it, you will get REALLY bad acne. i learned this the hard way, my face felt like it was gonna burn off this one time. i had to lay off washing entirely for a few days and then slowly reintroduce product.

i'm sorry you have such a hard time re: appearance. i dunno. myself, used to be a huge hangup...but i got over it when i was like 20. it just is not that important. when you love someone they are the most beautiful person in your eyes. that's why my gf could kiss my acne-covered face. it's why she kissed my stomach even when i started gaining weight. it's why she was somehow turned on when i had a strap-on with a fluffy purple harness, haha! TMI alert but i could go on and on. your soulmate WILL NOT care about pimples, weight gain, your genitals. she will love you entirely and completely for who you are. and she is out there. don't waste your time on shallow and superficial women.

besides, we all get old and that is almost never pretty.

Thanks for the washing tip. I'll stick to soap and water and not use the other product a lot. I was using it like a said twice a day.

I feel as if I know who my soul mate is already. But In my mind it's a fantasy and I'm a cis guy. (cis means born male, right? I'm sorry I don't know these terms, that's why I use my own terms so I know I'm saying.) But anyways, it's just a fantasy that I wish would be reality, but I know it would never happen.
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Dominick_81

Quote from: Lance M. on February 17, 2011, 12:05:48 AM
also, moisturize after you wash your face, helps with some of the oils lost through washing. escept good oils, not bad oils...look for "non-comodogenic" or something like that, i think the C word was totally wrong but you would recognize it when you look at the product.

sorry, derailing the topic a little. but anyway. i really hope this all works out for you man, whichever path you choose to take. i feel for you.

Thanks Lance.  :)
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Dominick_81

Quote from: Sharky on February 17, 2011, 12:51:50 AM
You know that's a link?

Oh,okay. I'm in bed on my iPod so it didn't show up as a link.
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cynthialee

Quote from: Dominick_81. I will be out on my own, with a career and the women does not need to worry b/c I will take care of her, always.
What century are you living in?
Most women I know do not want to be taken care of. That is almost the equivilant of slavery. Most women today are going to have their own job and bank accounts. Being taken care of solely by a man is not a smart way to go. The girl who allows that is setting herself up for abuse and manipulation at the hands of her captor husband.
Good luck finding a woman who wants to be helpless and at your whims.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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tekla

I think when most adults enter into those kind of relationships some degree of security and being cared for (and there are a lot of levels to that) is part of the equation.  They don't necessarily want to be dependent, but it's nice knowing that there is some margin of safety, some padding for the fall.  When people are looking to start a family most women don't want to have to be back at work two weeks after they drop their crotchfruit.

But hey, if your 29, in debt, living at home with mom, what exactly is going to change that situation in the first place?

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Marvel

Quote from: tekla on February 15, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
You need to sit down and have a long talk with yourself and make a decision.  It should be only because it's something you thing you need (not want), and not because some internet cheering section is giving you support.  In the end you are going to have to live with it, not them.

yeah what tekla said, there is definately some external pressure these days for people to go on hormones ASAP, before one is ready. You are doing the smart thing by taking a step back and saying "wait a minute is this what i really what i want?" you have all the time in the world to make a decision.
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PixieBoy

You need to start HRT when you are "secured" in life. Move out, try to get a job (do you have any interests? try getting a job in your area of interest), try to pay off some of your debt, and don't worry about what others will think. In your own place, you can lounge around in pink diamante PJ's if you want to, and nobody but you will know/care (if you're home alone, that is). You can put up any posters, buy any kind of clothes, etc.

Try to make your life more "secure", then you can consider HRT.
...that fey-looking freak kid with too many books and too much bodily fat
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