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A thought on DNA

Started by Evelyn, March 02, 2011, 01:48:15 AM

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Evelyn

The following are some thoughts of mine (in essay form), and I would like to know if anyone has any thoughts they have on the topic, or on the thoughts  or ideas themselves.
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People put a lot of stress on birth gender as if it's this huge deal that actually matters. People walk up to transsexual people and tell them, "You're still a Man/Woman because your DNA is still blah blah blah." So this set me thinking. XY, XX, what exactly is the big deal?

                Normally Men are born XY, and Woman are born XX. This is not always the case in nature, contrary to some people's belief. If the gene SRY, within the y chromosome, fails in an XY individual (called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a naturally occurring medical condition) , they grow and develop as a woman from birth. They are unable to give birth, as their genetic code fails to instruct them how to form eggs and they do not have a uterus, but they do gain every other feature a woman would have, including external genitalia.  Some do not figure out they are XY until they try to have children.

                Similarly, occasionally the SRY gene can become spliced onto an X chromosome and a Male can be Born XX(called XX Male Syndrome, however creative the name). These individuals grow in exactly as any other male would. They have the same muscle ratio, hormonal balances, and sexual functions. Everything is the same, except that they do not produce sperm.  No real differences can be seen in this male and another male except the ability to reproduce.

                It is proven by scientists that the only thing the SRY gene does is tell the human gonads to create either male or female hormones. Genes only normally carry one trait, and so this conclusion makes sense. As demonstrated above, the only other thing the X or Y genes do is determine reproductive ability. As shown above, a fetus with testosterone will form testes and "male parts", while a fetus with estrogen and progesterone only will produce ovaries and female parts. This is regardless of the true intended DNA of the baby in question with the exception that a fetus, given the opposite hormone than the one it should have created, will be sterile.  As proven by the changes a female or male takes while on the opposite gender's hormones, all non reproductive aspects of sex are determined solely by the hormones in the body, and a slew of neutral gender receptors.

                By undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy when a person has the oppositely coded gonads, a person becomes sterile because their body's receptors start attempting to perform functions the hormones they add to their body do instead of the functions they would perform with their original hormones. By undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy or removing their gonads, a person either negates or permanently stops their bodies creation of its original hormones. Thus the proven functions of one's original Y or X gene is completely and entirely invalidated in their body's systems. They no longer create hormones, or allow for fertility, which was their proven sole purpose.  They no longer function, and the body acts as if they are not there. If something does not do ANYTHING, than neither does it determine ANYTHING.  Therefore, just like the Chromosome in question, a person trying to use DNA against a transsexual is also logically invalidated.
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Emerald

Quote from: Evelyn on March 02, 2011, 01:48:15 AM
(called Androgyne Insensitivity Syndrom, a naturally occurring medical condition)

It is "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome".
It is not "Androgyne Insensitivity Syndrom". :icon_weirdface: :D

-Emerald
Androgyne.
I am not Trans-masculine, I am not Trans-feminine.
I am not Bigender, Neutrois or Genderqueer.
I am neither Cisgender nor Transgender.
I am of the 'gender' which existed before the creation of the binary genders.
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~RoadToTrista~

What about David Reimer? Biologically he was male, but he wasn't raised as one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
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pebbles

There are loads of conditions that cause autosomal sex reversal I can't even be bothered to list them all there is at least 20.
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Evelyn

Thank you very much emerald, it is now corrected.

I know there are others, I just only thought i needed the two to make the point that the chromosome is bypassed though. The last paragraph is my main point, i just needed those two to prove the function of the Y chromosome for the argument...or at least i think. I could be wrong about any of this, and if so i would like to be called on it as soon as a flaw is noticed.

David was chemically male during fetal development though. This supports arguments that chemicals present in the womb effect gender Identity later down the road, despite hormones and sexual characteristics present in the body while it matures. Yes his dysphoria was induced artificially by changing his sex attributes and hormones away from his natural ones, but it does not change that he associated male despite the hormones in his body. It was a very interesting read though. He identified male because he had a male hormonal balance and influencing factors prior to his birth. This made him mentally male despite his surgery.  The main argument here is his mentality. A transsexual person who was not artificially induced would mentally identify as their preferred gender much the same way he identified male. If he had been a transsexual woman, and not a cisgendered man prior to his failed circumcision, then he would not have been dysphoric. With that in mind, his case does not necessarily disprove mine, because of the possibility of gender being enforced prior to birth. Many transsexual people use chemical factors in the womb to enforce that they are trans because of nature, and not choice. If this is true, then his case does not prove any additional genderal value in his dna, because those influencing factors negate a controlled environment necessary for a controlled experiment. His case does, however lend a potential aid to the argument of prenatal influences causing a genderal association opposing ones DNA, however other tests would be necessary to determine whether or not dna itself played a role there.

I know that it is just people being scared... but people of that nature occasionally try to use it to "invalidate" a transsexual person's gender. This is hurtful, even if it is just their attempt to maintain their own ignorance.

As always, everything i say is just an opinion. I am not a scientist, nor will i ever be. It is here so that if i am making an idiot of myself by writing it, that i can hear that from a friendly source before an antagonistic one.
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E

Quote from: Emerald on March 02, 2011, 02:42:18 AM

It is "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome".
It is not "Androgyne Insensitivity Syndrom". :icon_weirdface: :D

-Emerald

"Androgyne? Pffft! Grow up and be a [X], like you were supposed to! ...oops! Sorry - my meds ran out."


I think, in general, you're right.
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