Androgyne vs genderqueer

[Pica Pica]

I saw wash as 'wosh'.

[ativan]

I wish someone would do my wash (whaush)

[Jaimey]

I wish someone would do my wash (whaush)

As long as they don't stick an 'r' in it. 

[ativan]

Well you would want it done properly if you did...

[Moxie F.]

I always thought androgyne was the physical aspect of basically being able to have your gender defined in public depending on how you dressed and acted and genderqueer being the mental side.

[ativan]

And now what do you think?

[Pica Pica]

I always thought androgyne was the physical aspect of basically being able to have your gender defined in public depending on how you dressed and acted and genderqueer being the mental side.

Funny, I see it the opposite way round...there being no firm fix on the words, but there are still some unified concepts (androgyny of the mind as separate to that of the body) that we feel ought to have different words to express.

[ativan]

I always thought androgyne was the physical aspect of basically being able to have your gender defined in public depending on how you dressed and acted and genderqueer being the mental side.

And now what do you think? Personally, I see it much the same as Pica. And there seems to be a large amount of confusion about the definitions of Androgyne and androgynous. I'm Androgyne, Whatever I am wearing is therefore Androgyne. Not Androgynous. Thats presenting yourself as androgynous. A mix of the binaries. Androgyne is about Gender. Androgynous is about presenting. Whether it is for yourself, or as a fashion statement, it is androgynous. But! if an Androgyne is presenting in an androgynous way, then they look androgyne. Not androgynous. The younger Androgynes seem to use the term Genderqueer in the same manner as older people use Androgyne. I would assume to differentiate themselves from those who present in a charade sort of way, as androngynous.

[espo]

I read the last half of your post 7 or 8 times and I think I finally get it. It's me.... not you. Seriously.

[lost904]

i was described as genderqueer for the first time about a week ago and thought it was kinda odd and funny at the same time. i still dont know what exactly it was meant to come across as, but i'm thinking that it meant i have no true concrete gender.i'm very...fluid....its hard to explain.but anyways, thats me in a nutshell hence why it came across as funny.

[ativan]

Have you tried on Genderfluid? This is a good place to explain those things that are hard to. But beware...putting yourself in a box is not always the right place to be.

[lost904]

i getcha....have you/are you on Ativan by any chance? i have.lol

[ativan]

I keep some for emergency use, like when shopping. I switched to klonopin awhile back, once I got used to it, it seems like a better overall med. Especially at bedtime. I haven't tried chewing one to get it to work faster, if it even does. Anxiety has put me in some bad places, it's a PTSD kinda thing. Plus I'm all those other fun axis II things.

[lost904]

ah...i'm scizo effect, bipolar and borderline personality disorder. i'm pretty severe but i was on the wrong dose of klonoprin and it knocked me out. ativan never worked for me. i'm on Depakote and halidol now.

[ativan]

Depakote always weirds me out, and they won't give me halidol because I severly OD'd myself on it. I slashed my wrist and started to go down when a marine sargent just back from Afganistan caught me. Guy was awesome, stayed with me to the ER they told me. A week in IC and then guess where I got to spend 90 days.........

[lost904]

fun. i tried to kill myself in april by downing a bottle of my halidol and it was supposed to knock me straight out, but it didnt. i spent a week in the hospital and then they let me go. but i'm paying for it now. i'm stuck in a group home....

[ativan]

3 hospitals later, then locked down in the violent ward at the state hospital for 4 months, then 90 days in a treatment center.
Now I'm in Foster care, mostly because I forget to eat and take my meds. When I go for walks I have to have a cell phone so they can call me if I'm overdue. Things are much better, nobody worries to much. 2 yrs this August. Court recommendation is permanent residence here, but it is just being here and the people who care for me that have gotten me farther than I may have been in the last 20 or so yrs.
That and being able to read and talk about gender issues here at Susan's. Life is good.

[lost904]

jeez you must be a minor right? thats why. my sister had alot of the same problems and she spent 4 years bouncing between hospitals and foster care families. i was a legal adult when my crap started. that is aweful. but atleast your optimistic.thats a good sign. i try to be but my life is in chaos.

[caseyy]

The thread got a bit offtopic so I'm not sure if I'm allowed to go back to the topic at hand...

I get many of the same impressions regarding the meaning of "androgyne" and "genderqueer" as many other people on here. I have always seen genderqueer as combining, subverting, mixing things that in our world are gendered. More fluid.

Androgyne for me is not really fluid. I identify as androgyne because I am neither male nor female. I am not a combination either. I am simply none of the above. If I have to be a combination, I am a homogenous mixture, not heterogenous. I have very little awareness and understanding about how certain behaviours, appearances, and objects are gendered male or female. I know it logically, that a dress is gendered female, but it doesn't apply to me. When I am more gentle and kind, I am not acting "feminine." When I am more assertive and want to ride a motorcycle, I am not acting "masculine."

I reject the label of genderqueer for myself because to me, it implies that there is a gender to "queer", a gender to blur and to subvert. But for me, there is no gender, I don't have a gender to play with in the first place.

[cynthialee]

Caseyy,
Are you familiar with the gender term 'nutrois'?

Neither male nor female, nor a blend of the two. Being without gender.

Androgyn is both male and female in one person.