How is it for the Guy???

[Suigeniris]

I can't wait ...I will let you know In bout a yr or so lol

[ameliat]

Wow this post was interesting reading for me...Thanks so much!  I am out in the dark about alot of this. I have only had one partner for over 35  years.  Thanks to *gothique11* for the more detail...makes for some interesting reading and so so informative.  I am person who is inquisitive by nature and I have lots of questions! Thanks all!
Amelia

[ponty]

Hi, I'm new here and wasnt around when this post was "live".
Just wanted to say that recently I had the pleasure, and that doesnt come near to describing it adequately, to make love with my MtF friend whom I have befriended and fallen for. It was without doubt the finest act of lovemaking I have ever experienced. But my point really is this had nothing to do with the fact that she was post op. The reason it was so good was because we both wanted each other so much and love each other so much. It was the first time for my friend and it was an amazing night. Love making between 2 people who want each other and love and  respect each other will always be good.

[spacial]

Hi, I'm new here and wasnt around when this post was "live".
Just wanted to say that recently I had the pleasure, and that doesnt come near to describing it adequately, to make love with my MtF friend whom I have befriended and fallen for. It was without doubt the finest act of lovemaking I have ever experienced. But my point really is this had nothing to do with the fact that she was post op. The reason it was so good was because we both wanted each other so much and love each other so much. It was the first time for my friend and it was an amazing night. Love making between 2 people who want each other and love and  respect each other will always be good.

That's really nice ponty. Really pleased for you both.

[Sophie Laurette]

This is a really interesting thread... something my friend and I have wondering about for a long time.

Her and I have each had mixed reactions... While I have not experienced the variety of men that she has (I've only been with one man since being post-op)... her and I both have felt this sensation during sex that the man is hitting the "back wall" in a way. She mentioned to me once that a man said she felt "shallow"... though she has some depth problems.  My boyfriend said he never felt any difference with me.

As far as smell and taste goes... WELL, after the first time he gave me cunnilingus he mentioned "That was a very unique experience"... I nervously asked "Why??" and he said "Well, you're very well-kempt down there... Every girl has a different taste or smell but your smell is very unique from theirs. you almost don't have any scent at all"... He's only been with genetic females before so I assume that perhaps the scent might be different from many genetic girls. In the past I've definitely had some very "female odors" but since my new cleansing regime it hasn't returned.... as long as he likes it i guess that's what counts, right? 

[ToriJo]

I can say that I enjoy sex with my wife.  I can't say either of us has tons of experience to compare with others (I'm glad we're each other's first partners - we met when we were both over 30), nor would I want to.  I just can't see how that is relevant for our relationship.

We both wanted a long-term relationship when we met, so people who are looking for something else may do different things.  But she told me about her history before we even started dating - something I think is wise; if a guy is that shallow, do you really want to marry him? I suspect it's a good way of weeding out the ugly [in personality, not body] men.  So I really had no idea what to expect in bed the first time we did things, nor did she.  We were honest with each other, talked frankly about what was fun for each of us, and were willing to find out what we liked and didn't with each other - without putting pressure on each other.  And if we need to do anything different, that's fine too - I would think that's true with everyone, not just post-operative people - not everyone is going to enjoy every activity, nor is everyone going to be pleasured the most through the same technique.

My biggest concern - and hers - was whether or not things would be painful.  So we took it easy at first.  I would never have wanted to hurt her (I can think of no bigger turn-off), and didn't want her to think that the only way I could be happy was typical penetration if that wasn't equally enjoyable for her.  If typical penetration didn't work out, I'm sure we would have found other ways of enjoying each other, because, when you love someone, you care about their enjoyment as much as you care about your own.

I can say that I very much enjoy going to bed with my wife, and to answer the initial question: it's great for this guy!  The biggest reason I enjoy it is not anything physical (although I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the physical!) - but rather because this is a woman I have a deep connection with, who I love, and who loves me.  She makes me feel attractive, and I hope she knows I think she's hot.

I'd also say that guys can enjoy the foreplay too.  The longer we stay aroused before the "big event", the bigger that event is. 

[mmelny]

.....
In the past I've definitely had some very "female odors" but since my new cleansing regime it hasn't returned....

Hi Sophie,

Can you describe your cleansing routine? (if not too personal).....

I'm still trying to find that right balance of douching vs not, and diet and procedures.  It's such a hard place to find.

[Tammy Hope]

^^
I've seen a lot lately to the effect that in almost all cases, doucheing was a bad idea.

Is it different for us than for natals?



also, on an unrelated note:

"...he first time he gave me cunnilingus ..."

Why in the heck is it that the correct word for oral sex (both of them) are so blastedly hard to spell?!!?!!?

[wannalivethetruth]

-bangs her head against the keyboard! Omgoodies! I cant wait till im post op and healed (((((

[Suigeniris]

-bangs her head against the keyboard! Omgoodies! I cant wait till im post op and healed (((((

:icon_dance:I KNOW IM A HOT MESS WAITING OH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[wannalivethetruth]

Lmpao yesss!!

[Suigeniris]

Lmpao yesss!!

Lmao lol

[alyssa24]

Awesome, I massaged my Breast Augmentation scars, you can barely notice them as of today (1 year, 4 months post op)

You don't have the physical scars from the past...
...and your mental scars from the bad ex who lied to you? ;-)

[blair]

Im engaged to be married to my present boyfriend (fiancé) when I tolded him I was trans he just couldnd believe it, he tolded me he'd never have known if I hadnd tolded him, he can't tell the difference, now I don't know if he's just being super sweet but sometimes it feels better he tells me, it has given me so much confidence as a woman that I can satisfy a guy sexually in that way.

Aww that made me cry a little! I love hearing about sweet guys like that.

[Dana Lane]

I embarrassed my boss when I told him I plan on putting an odometer on mine. Zero miles out of the gate lets see if we can turn that sucker over.

[Jessica.C]

I'm wondering how it is for a guy to be with a post op girl? Is it better, tighter? Not as good? Cant tell the difference?

I'm so curious, as i am in to men and intend on having intercourse.

Ladies i know your only speculating but what kind of feed back have you gotten from the men you've been with?

Well here i am some 10 months later from the time i started this topic and 4 1/2 months Post-Op.

Now i can finally answer my own question.... Pretty Damn Good!!!!!! 

Thank You Dr Brassard!!!!!

[Northern Jane]

How is it for the guy? Having been inactive for awhile I couldn't answer that, but that has changed in the last 6 weeks 

My boyfriend just can't get enough  - which is good because my appetites are quite healthy LOL! He says I am 'tight' but not overly so - "enjoyably so". The only problem is that after spending weekends together we are BOTH very short on sleep 

[fleshpull]

I'm still learning here and this question is in no way meant to be offensive. Using the typical penis inversion technique where would this moisture/self lubrication be coming from? I don't see how hormones/surgery would turn the penis skin into a mucous membrane.

[FairyGirl]

Emphasis (bold) is mine.

Neo-vaginal Lining Becomes Indistinguishable from "Normal" Vaginal Tissue

by M. Italiano

Recent attempts at vaginoplasty for transsexuals have utilized a variety of techniques, including split-thickness and full-thickness skin grafts, penile inversion procedures, and sigmoid-colon methods.

Although the advantages and disadvantages of each continue to be debated, many stated advantages are clearly exaggerated or are erroneous. For instance, Masters and Johnson's (1966) pioneering work on the artificially-constructed vagina clearly demonstrates that "the method of creating an artificial vaginal barrel is incidental, since the functional reaction patterns of artificial vaginas are identical regardless of how they are constituted" (p.101) This statement includes behavior during arousal and orgasm as well as lubrication, a subject steeped in controversy.

Some surgeons opt for the use of sigmoid-colon methods in the belief that this provides an advantage of lubrication secreted by colon mucosa. Other surgeons employ mucosal flaps from the urethra to supplement penile inversion for the purpose of providing lubrication. They believe lubrication can't be achieved by the use of skin grafts or penile inversion. This is untrue.

There is much to be learned from non-transsexual women who have had surgery for "inadequate" vaginas. From months to sometimes years after skin grafting, the graft loses all of its skin properties and adapts to its environment, becoming a mucosa which takes on "the exact cytology, gross and microscopic, of a normal vagina" (Sherfey, 1973). Masters and Johnson state, "Suffice it to say that on the basis of pure cytologic evaluation, it is impossible to differentiate the epithelial cells taken from the artificial vaginas of Subject 'A' (when under the influence of adequate hormonal replacement) or Subject 'B' from those of a normal vaginal mucosal smear" (Masters & Johnson, 1961, p. 203).

Some surgeons disagree, stating that the tissue is not mucosa, but only resembles mucosa. They are only partially correct, since the normal female vaginal tissue is not truly mucosa either. It is called mucosa only because it lines a body passageway. It contains no mucous-secreting glands (Fawcett, et. al., 1995). That is why lubrication is a transudate phenomenon, the source being dilation of the capillaries that surround the barrel and the subsequent squeezing out of fluid through the vaginal walls, which in normal and artificially constructed vaginas have been shown to be a functioning two-way membrane. (Masters & Johnson, 1966). Although Masters & Johnson note that production of lubrication usually takes longer in the artificial vagina, they also showed that some artificial vaginas are capable of lubricating as well and as rapidly as any normally constituted vaginal barrel and that two of their patients had "lubricated, in fact, more effectively than many women with normally constituted vaginas" (Masters & Johnson, 1966).

Pierce ET. al. (1956) demonstrated the conversion of skin to vaginal epithelium, which after twenty years, included normal vaginal PH levels, complete loss of hair, complete loss of pigment, complete loss of sweat glands, and normal vaginal epithelial glycogen levels. They proposed, "the process is not one of metaplasia, for no new cell types are produced. Rather, there is alteration of existing cell layers and the loss of the skin organs." (p.6)

Those post-operative male-to-female transsexuals who amuse themselves with the peculiar statement that they still have a penis, but that it's just turned inside-out should note that not only do they not have a penis, but they don't even have skin of the penis any more. The histology of the tissue has changed. It also responds to hormones in an identical way as does a normal vagina, with "cyclic cornification and mucification" (Sherfey, 1973). The presence of ovaries is not a necessity. For instance, "The estrogenic and early luteal effects demonstrated by Subject 'A' are obvious, and serve as a clinical indication of adequate steroid replacement in this surgically castrated female" (Masters & Johnson, 1966, p. 203).

More impressive is a recent report by Alessandrescu et. al. (1996), who did biopsies on twelve artificially constructed vaginas and found an epithelial structure identical to that of a normal vagina. Two examples are shown in the form of pictures using electron microscopy.

Although it may be suggested that transsexuals may respond differently than non-transsexual females with regard to the results of vaginoplasty, it is my opinion that the burden of proof that this is the case rests with the surgeons who employ such procedures as colon usage and mucosal flaps for the purposes they intend. Since the nature of their work is clinical and generally not investigative, they should at least advise their patients that future study may be necessary before the value of their technique can be substantiated.

REFERENCES



Alesandrescu, D., et. al. (1996). Neocolpopoiesis with split-thickness skin graft as a surgical treatment of vaginal agenesis: Retrospective review of 201 cases. American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology, 174(1), 131-138.

Fawcett, D.W., et. al. (1994). Textbook of histology (12th ed.). New York: Chapman & Hall.

Masters, W.H. & Johnson, V.W. (1961, May-June). The artificial vagina: Anatomic, physiologic, psychosexual function. Western Journal of Surgery, Obstetrics, & Gynecology,69,192-212.

Pierce, G.W., et. al. (1956, July). Changes in skin flap of a constructed vagina due to environment. American Journal of Surgery, 92,4-8.

Sherfey, M. (1973). The nature and evolution of female sexuality. New York: Random House.

[Suigeniris]

GREAT ARTICLE !!!! VERY INFORMATIVE FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AWARE ....