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Babies With Three Parents And No Genetic Diseases

Started by tori319, March 14, 2011, 04:20:54 PM

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spacial

Basically eugenics using chromosomal chemistry.

I find all of this very frightening. It will happen of course.
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Lee

Actually, I think this is pretty amazing.  Being able to override genetic diseases would be a way for a parent to protect their children from crippling physical and mental abnormalities.
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aubrey

It's kind of amazing but in certain cases I think some just aren't meant to pass on their genetics (from a pragmatic perspective). Only time will tell what treatments like this can do so I have zero opinion of it.
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pebbles

It's Mitochrondiral diseases Mitochrondira are Organelles within our cells that possess some of there own DNA within them external to the nucleus of the cell they are what's responcible for areobic respiration. This DNA is inherited from the egg of the mother. thus only shows female type inheritance. If you have a significant population of diseased mitochrondria. You get a number of diseases.

unless you suffer from the horrors of a mitochrondrial disease you have no right to say it's eugenics. ¬.¬
Opposition to it is equal to the lines of opposition to antibiotics.
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justmeinoz

I've got a feeling it will be a long time before it is generally available though.  Cost will probably limit it's use to the most serious cases too I would guess.
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lancem27

I'm neutral. If it prevents suffering, I say it's great. It's not like they're trying to weed out something harmless, but socially vilified, like homosexuality.
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spacial

Quote from: pebbles on March 15, 2011, 06:35:51 AM
It's Mitochrondiral diseases Mitochrondira are Organelles within our cells that possess some of there own DNA within them external to the nucleus of the cell they are what's responcible for areobic respiration. This DNA is inherited from the egg of the mother. thus only shows female type inheritance. If you have a significant population of diseased mitochrondria. You get a number of diseases.

unless you suffer from the horrors of a mitochrondrial disease you have no right to say it's eugenics. ¬.¬
Opposition to it is equal to the lines of opposition to antibiotics.

With respect, it isn't.

I'm sure everyone will welcome the elimination of genetic diseases. Mental illness for example.

But I'm concerned that the technology will be turned to other ideals. Blond hair, blue eyes, personality.

I fully accept that these are incredably complicated issues. But equally, I recall a time when all that was known was that the geans existed. Now the technology has reached the stage of basic manipulation.

But as I said, I accept this as inevitable. It will happen. Babies will be produced to design. The world will need to deal with that. There are no laws or legal systems that can prevent it, even if the will existed.

I am just saying, I find the prospect of dealing with a master race, frightening.
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Korlee

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Quote from: spacial on March 15, 2011, 08:23:41 AM
With respect, it isn't.

I'm sure everyone will welcome the elimination of genetic diseases. Mental illness for example.

But I'm concerned that the technology will be turned to other ideals. Blond hair, blue eyes, personality.

I fully accept that these are incredably complicated issues. But equally, I recall a time when all that was known was that the geans existed. Now the technology has reached the stage of basic manipulation.

But as I said, I accept this as inevitable. It will happen. Babies will be produced to design. The world will need to deal with that. There are no laws or legal systems that can prevent it, even if the will existed.

I am just saying, I find the prospect of dealing with a master race, frightening.

There was a sci-fi movie about this once GATTACA was it's name.  It was a good movie on the topic of what a world with the so called perfect genetics could bring... However it was just that sci-fi!   There will always be purists for natural birth, religions that go against, countries that ban key types of genetics, you name it.  So a force will always be pushing back against such things. 

This just another form of what already goes on though... Look at the way the media portrays the perfect man/woman and how many will only marry that, don't accept bad looks, fat people, high society just marries other high society.  The list goes on and on but yet... we still have an amazing amount of people who just marry for love and do what they want.  Heck, a one night stand kid that will not know it's dad.  These things change form but will always be around.

Personally?  I welcome these kinds of things though.  If down the road one person never has to go what we have to go through because they sucker punch this from ever happening again?  You know how wonderful that is?  To know that little girl/boy will never have to suffer like we did almost all their damn life!  I wish religion and other BS would stop suppressing technology because maybe then?  My parents could have prevented this for me or maybe even just changed my gender in the womb depending on the technology type we are speaking of because this might not be that easy to prevent but easy to change on one front.

Plus think of this way... in closing.  How many personal preferences are there in the world?  Some people like beards, redheads, blondes, fat people, bony people, long hair, short hair, muscle bound studs, boy band cutes, bikini models, a lil natural weight.  The list goes on and those people will want to pass on those traits to their kids.  The only way something like GATTACA could come about is if all of humanity gives up on any sort of freedom or we are all enslaved by the next Hitler.
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long.897

This specific technology wouldn't be applicable to designer traits, as it doesn't modify the nuclear DNA in any way.

Crash course on mitochondrial genetics
There are approximately 23.000 genes in the human nucleus, coding for nearly every process in the body.  The nucleus doesn't hold all the DNA of the cell though.  Billions of years ago, one early life form absorbed another, and they began a symbiotic relationship.  The absorber provided shelter and nutrients to the absorbee, who specialized in the production of energy.  As time passed, the absorbee gradually ceased to function as an independent cell, instead acting as what we would now call an organelle, the mitochondria.  The mitochondria's fitness was no longer influenced by genes that did things like build protective structures, so mutations went unchecked. Over time, these genes ceased to function completely.

The human mitochondria of today has only 37 genes, most of which are involved in its own processes.  Because these genes control functions of energy production, they are VERY important; defects in some can have catastrophic effects on the cell, leading to eventual death.  For this reason, the mitochondrial genes vary by very little over time; small changes can have very strong repercussions.  (Answer in advance: differences in mtDNA between individuals is very largely centered on the non protein coding regions, to which you might have heard referenced as "junk DNA.")

Mutations in the DNA do occur though, and often lead to a collection of disorders that we call "mitochondrial diseases."  Not all mitochondrial diseases are caused by mutations in the mtDNA; some aspects of energy production are controlled by nuclear DNA.  This therapy would not be helpful for nuclear coded mitochondrial diseases, so they will be excluded from future reference.

Mitochondrial diseases have a wide range of symptoms, owing largely to the presence of mitochondria in nearly all eukaryotic cells.  Essentially, what goes wrong depends on where the defective mitochondria are located, with some regions being preferred over others.  Muscles and neurons tend to be the most strongly affected, leading to, respectively, fatigue, weakness, paralysis, and pain for muscle tissue, and nervous dysfunction (ranging from dementia to blindness) for neurons.  The progression can be variable, but most mitochondrial diseases kill either in infancy/early childhood, or in early adulthood. 

How do these defective mitochondria continue to propagate?  Essentially, most cells in your body have a good number of mitochondria, ranging from less than 100 to more than 10.000.  One defective mitochondria won't ruin the lot of the cell; the mitochondria won't operate properly, which might have some impact, but there are others there that pick up the slack.  Most mitochondrial disease clusters have a threshold level of necessary defective mitochondria to display clinical symptoms, that is there's a tipping point, after which the cell will be unable to operate properly.  I don't know many off the top of my head, but the Kearns-Sayre/CPEO cluster tends to be about a 65% defect threshold. 


Replacing the mitochondria of the embryo's cells will only affect the reproduction of future mitochondria; it won't have an effect on the nuclear DNA.  The treatment offers a promising step towards treating mitochondrial diseases, but in its current state it has no use in allowing gays to have children, or allowing parents to design the perfect child. 
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