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Started by quinn, April 15, 2011, 11:40:04 AM

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On a scale of 1 to 5 (1 is very feminine, 5 is very masculine), where are you on the feminine/masculine spectrum?

FTM, 1 (very feminine for a guy)
3 (1.6%)
MTF, 1 (very feminine)
31 (16.7%)
FTM, 2 (somewhat feminine for a guy)
14 (7.5%)
MTF, 2 (somewhat feminine)
51 (27.4%)
FTM, 3 (neither feminine nor masculine, or androgynous, or whatever...)
7 (3.8%)
MTF, 3 (neither feminine nor masculine, or androgynous, or whatever...)
19 (10.2%)
FTM, 4 (somewhat masculine)
18 (9.7%)
MTF, 4 (somewhat masculine for a girl)
15 (8.1%)
FTM, 5 (very masculine)
13 (7%)
MTF, 5 (very masculine for a girl)
2 (1.1%)
Other (please explain with a comment)
13 (7%)

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Linde

I don't know if I fit on any scale. I always have been both from birth (XXY).  I want to be female but still present male most of the times.
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Allison S

Quote from: Dietlind on October 31, 2018, 07:14:51 AM
I don't know if I fit on any scale. I always have been both from birth (XXY).  I want to be female but still present male most of the times.
Sounds like the start of maybe you knowing better? And you seem to have a natural advantage too

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Linde

Quote from: Allison S on October 31, 2018, 07:36:37 AM
Sounds like the start of maybe you knowing better? And you seem to have a natural advantage too

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Yes, I know pretty much for sure that I want to be a woman.  And yes, I have some head start towards that.  But I was trained all my life to act like a man, no matter that I never was more man than woman, I learned playing a male pretty well, and it is hard to let go of.  All of a sudden that other part of me needs to be played, and I have not learned the rules yet.
At the moment, male feels still pretty comfortable, but the female biology of me does not care, it wants to take the lead from now on.  I am still pretty confused about myself.

In some way you "real" transgender girls seem  to have it easier, because you always knew that you wanted to be a girl, no matter how your body was you knew your desire and goal.  And you are about at the goal now.

Transgender people (at least I) have the girl already embedded in their body's biology, but because somebody decided I should be male, I always wanted to be a guy, no matter how feminine my body was, being a guy was the goal.  Of coarse, it was impossible to achieve this goal, because I was always part girl, no matter how hard I tried to be a guy.

I think it was my body who made the decission that the guy playing should be finished now, because my body decided to grow breasts and shrink my neither part so much that they became unusable for any sexual purpose.  It is now my poor brain that has to follow the body, and I need to work hard again to be a girl and forget all of the training I had t be a guy.  You live and you learn!
I just hope that my body remains with the decision to be a girl and not revise it's decission to be a guy again!  ??? :o >:(
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Allison S

Quote from: Dietlind on October 31, 2018, 11:22:20 AM
Yes, I know pretty much for sure that I want to be a woman.  And yes, I have some head start towards that.  But I was trained all my life to act like a man, no matter that I never was more man than woman, I learned playing a male pretty well, and it is hard to let go of.  All of a sudden that other part of me needs to be played, and I have not learned the rules yet.
At the moment, male feels still pretty comfortable, but the female biology of me does not care, it wants to take the lead from now on.  I am still pretty confused about myself.

In some way you "real" transgender girls seem  to have it easier, because you always knew that you wanted to be a girl, no matter how your body was you knew your desire and goal.  And you are about at the goal now.

Transgender people (at least I) have the girl already embedded in their body's biology, but because somebody decided I should be male, I always wanted to be a guy, no matter how feminine my body was, being a guy was the goal.  Of coarse, it was impossible to achieve this goal, because I was always part girl, no matter how hard I tried to be a guy.

I think it was my body who made the decission that the guy playing should be finished now, because my body decided to grow breasts and shrink my neither part so much that they became unusable for any sexual purpose.  It is now my poor brain that has to follow the body, and I need to work hard again to be a girl and forget all of the training I had t be a guy.  You live and you learn!
I just hope that my body remains with the decision to be a girl and not revise it's decission to be a guy again!  ??? :o >:(
Ok. Regardless of what your body does... You are the captain of the vessel. Yes, being assigned male at birth does bring a lot of challenges. Though the challenges I'm talking about are specific to people who identify as a woman at some point "later" in their lives. The big ones are feeling ashamed, and maybe guilty.

If your body is so evidently changing to you, and this is making you feel helpless,  (anyone would if our bodies change chemicals/appearance/gender at a whim) then consulting with a doctor is wise.
I'm sure you're already seen by medical for this, but if not, I think it would help to do so.

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Linde

Quote from: Allison S on October 31, 2018, 12:03:26 PM


If your body is so evidently changing to you, and this is making you feel helpless,  (anyone would if our bodies change chemicals/appearance/gender at a whim) then consulting with a doctor is wise.
I'm sure you're already seen by medical for this, but if not, I think it would help to do so.

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Thanks for the advice!  You bet that I am consulting anybody in the medical flied I can think of.  In addition I am a prosper of this field, too and do quite a bit of self diagnosis (which one actually should not do, but most medical people do!)
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Kylo

I've been thinking about this lately, it's coming up on a couple of years of HRT.

I'd say I've got "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither", lol.

Ironically since HRT I have been put in touch with my feminine aspects or else don't care to suppress them. My feminine aspects are not pronounced though. I can just see them internally now. There aren't many. I think and operate more like a man it seems and look more like one each day. But I have the social skills and dexterity of a woman and an ability to empathize most men do not seem to express. I don't have the MO of most women or seem to be interested in the same things as most of them. One side can help the other out, internally.

I feel generally neutral on a metaphysical level, there is no basis for comparison to another in terms of pure experience, but I know the male role comes naturally to me in most things. I know I'm capable of extremes, quite capable of doing violence when necessary and also of being gentle. Generally driven by a rational/logical approach to most situations. However, I don't have a bland inner emotional life. T hasn't killed that at all. It's all inside there in glorious technicolor. The only feminine aspects I had that I've lost is my anxiety/fear and willingness to argue with people over trifles.       

But in general I come off as an unremarkable man to people. I don't try to impress them or bother with machismo. I know who I am. I am not enslaved to the social order, I'm an independent. I go my own way. One of those guys. 
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Linde

@ Kylo
I have never ever met a FtM trans person (at least not that I know).  I read here that most, or at least many MtF trans people feel already very early in their life that they should be a girl, but are stuck in a male body.  Did you have the same feeling and wanted to be a boy all your life?  Did your parents allow you to life as a boy during the time prior to puberty?

I have difficulties to comprehend the idea that anybody would want to be a different person than the assigned sex, when this young.  Rational thinking cannot to be expected from children that young.
I know that I never had any desire to be either sex, I just did what I was told/taught to be.  Somebody decided that I am a boy, and I tried to live the life of a boy.  I failed most of the times if I was compared to other boys, but i did not connect it to my non existing gender, but rather to me as a failure.  In fact, I never had any real association to any gender, but just did what I felt was expected of me.  I always felt more at ease with girls, but partly because they were not in competition with me, and thus I could not fail.

I just wonder how this young life was for a girl who tried to be a boy?
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Kylo

Quote from: Dietlind on November 27, 2018, 01:05:47 AM
@ Kylo
I have never ever met a FtM trans person (at least not that I know).  I read here that most, or at least many MtF trans people feel already very early in their life that they should be a girl, but are stuck in a male body.  Did you have the same feeling and wanted to be a boy all your life?  Did your parents allow you to life as a boy during the time prior to puberty?

My parents didn't care what I was doing. They didn't impress much on me - their idea of being progressive I guess - although these days they find the whole idea of me being trans distasteful, so I suppose it was only a cursory gesture on their part. . . I remember maybe age 6 or 7 being aware of my anatomy and not giving it much thought, but by age of 8 or 9 I was starting to have issues with it. It came out of nowhere. I didn't mix with other kids much and I practically lived inside our apartment or in the garden barely watched the early 80s TV or talked much with other people. I couldn't have been influenced by much other than what came from inside my own head.

QuoteI have difficulties to comprehend the idea that anybody would want to be a different person than the assigned sex, when this young.  Rational thinking cannot to be expected from children that young.

I was a thinker, not sure how deeply at the age of 6 or 7 but I was rational, I know that much... I remember clearly rationalizing what I should do after an (unrelated) frightening situation back then. (I believed that I had heard a ghost speaking in my room. This had never happened before, and never has since. Ghost or not aside, I was sitting in bed planning out whether or not to tell my parents the next day and decided against it, because rationally speaking I had zero proof of the voice or the incident and didn't want to appear foolish or worse, unstable). I must have been 7 at most. By 8 or 9 I remember being self-aware, thinking to myself consciously about my existence and declaring myself aware of things to myself.

QuoteI know that I never had any desire to be either sex, I just did what I was told/taught to be.  Somebody decided that I am a boy, and I tried to live the life of a boy.  I failed most of the times if I was compared to other boys, but i did not connect it to my non existing gender, but rather to me as a failure.  In fact, I never had any real association to any gender, but just did what I felt was expected of me.  I always felt more at ease with girls, but partly because they were not in competition with me, and thus I could not fail.

I just wonder how this young life was for a girl who tried to be a boy?

Much the same at first. There was only awareness in the beginning, of myself and my own body and no real basis for comparison. I didn't even have a sibling I could compare myself to until I was 8. But even around 6 or 7 I noticed the behaviors of other kids at school and knew I was not behaving as they expected. I got annoyed at a boy who attached himself to me in order to "protect" me around this age. I didn't know why but I found this to be a problem. The girls did not like me much and tended to shun me. In return I shunned everybody, except a small few kids who for some reason looked past my inability to fit in. Even at that age the girls all flocked to be with each other and the boys usually did too. I didn't identify the problem until a couple of years later but I remember being quite angry if anyone suggested I might be someone's girlfriend. Adults probably put it down to kids and their "cooties" talk, but for me the idea was utterly unimaginable.

The early behaviours that I showed without having any notable influence over me are some of the most compelling evidence I was trans. They nearly always were most obvious around anything concerning male-female dynamics. I would be happy to play with boys and girls, but only so long as the girls were allowing me a "boy" or "animal" (i.e neutral) role to play, and the boys weren't attempting to put me into a "wife" or "girlfriend" role. I still had no idea why this was. I didn't think about it, I just reacted to it. I had not yet declared myself to be masculine at all, but I knew firmly that being put into a female pidgeonhole would have me refusing to play and walking off. This continued for the rest of my life in varying degrees but it was always there - a discomfort with the female side of the sexual dynamic. I rarely considered gender consciously at that time, but reacted predictably whenever someone attempted to put me in that box. My grandmother tried to encourage feminine behaviors in me and failed. When she started doing this (must have been when I was 8 or 9) and actively started to tell me I "should do x because that's what girls do" I suddenly realized I was feeling disgusted about that idea. I might have been metaphysically rational about the basic world around me but I was effectively gender-blind in many ways - it did take some time before I even realized these people thought I was a girl, because apparently I didn't. I guess the best way to describe it would be that I knew I was a girl on some primitive level, but I didn't truly believe it. When it came home to me that everyone else believed it, I started to actively psychologically rebel. It took about 9 years to get to that point, being left mostly alone to figure it all out for myself since my parents never impressed any roles on me. They knew I was strange from day one and they made mention of it sometimes, but never did much more than that.

There were no sons in the immediate family either to facilitate any recognition (or lack of recognition) of gender. Maybe if I had seen my brother more often than I did at that age, I might have become aware but I remained half-blind to my own gender till puberty. Half ignorant and half hyper aware of "something wrong", but not knowing what that was.           
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Linde

@Kylo
Thank you for sharing this with us.  I was born intersex (xxY chromosomes), and never had a real emotional connection to any gender.  It was decided that I would be male, alas I played the role of a male.  I tried very hard to become a real male, but my bodies biology prevented me to achieve the role fully.  If I think back, I never had any real gender identity until way late in life, when I was not able anymore to play the guy role well.  During all that time, I had hardly any male friends, but many female ones.  Now I have even more female friends and try to play the role of a female.  This should be easier for me, because most of my body features are more female than male.  I hope that I will do better in this one, than in my male role playing!
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Kylo

Quote from: Dietlind on November 27, 2018, 02:00:27 AM
@Kylo
Thank you for sharing this with us.  I was born intersex (xxY chromosomes), and never had a real emotional connection to any gender.  It was decided that I would be male, alas I played the role of a male.  I tried very hard to become a real male, but my bodies biology prevented me to achieve the role fully.  If I think back, I never had any real gender identity until way late in life, when I was not able anymore to play the guy role well.  During all that time, I had hardly any male friends, but many female ones.  Now I have even more female friends and try to play the role of a female.  This should be easier for me, because most of my body features are more female than male.  I hope that I will do better in this one, than in my male role playing!

It makes sense that as young kids we don't know much about the social and language definitions of gender but the biological tendencies - who/how we associate with and feel more comfortable around - are already there in the brain wiring. That you had no conscious ideas or allegiances but still gravitated toward a particular gender isn't unlike my situation - I have no real allegiance to the idea of a particular gender... a lot of FTM on here are proud or happy or x y z about the idea of being a male, and want to learn behaviors or be part of a group, and I'm not, I just know the male characteristics tend to fit better and that if I'm forcibly treated by males as female it prompts a visceral and aggressive reaction, as well as just generally behaving without effort more like a male. General blindness toward gender and toward society probably helped me navigate transition more easily because I wasn't comparing myself to others at all, I was just going off whatever felt more natural and less stressful and that was maleness. I guess the emotional connection I have to it is that it feels effortless and comfortable, whereas femaleness is either difficult, awkward or uncomfortable for me to attempt. Beyond that, I don't really want to be male. It's not a desire, other than the desire to alleviate my discomfort.

It's curious to me how other FTM get really psyched about being male and I don't feel much of anything about it. Maybe they are more connected to that part of themselves or maybe they just suffered more than me so they look forward to it more.
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Ryuichi13

I consider myself "pretty damned masculine  ;D" even though I'm not a jock-type. 

I've been a nerd for most of my life, and now that its finally "cool" to be a nerd, I'm loving it! 

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HappyMoni

Wow this thread was started in 2011. And it's what ... 2018 now. That makes it like 20 years old or something, doesn't it? Sorry trying on my 'blond' today.

I voted very feminine. Femininity is my drug of choice. I still feel like I could drag the masculine skeleton out of the closet if I absolutely had to, like to fix a car or something. Of course, that's on the condition of not breaking a nail.
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
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HappyMoni

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on December 27, 2018, 03:30:20 PM
I consider myself "pretty damned masculine  ;D" even though I'm not a jock-type. 

I've been a nerd for most of my life, and now that its finally "cool" to be a nerd, I'm loving it! 

Ryuichi

Ryuiche, you sold me with "pretty damn masculine" lol. Can you come fix my car?
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Ryuichi13

Quote from: HappyMoni on December 27, 2018, 06:33:23 PM
Ryuiche, you sold me with "pretty damn masculine" lol. Can you come fix my car?
Honestly, I know next to nothing about car repair.  I suppose my masculinity lies more along the lines of burping and farting! [emoji23] 

Ryuichi

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Linde

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on December 28, 2018, 04:56:36 AM
Honestly, I know next to nothing about car repair.  I suppose my masculinity lies more along the lines of burping and farting! [emoji23] 

Ryuichi

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Well, I think some of us gals her can give you some lessons in how to swing a wrench (and do some welding on top of it)  :angel:
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KathyLauren

Quote from: HappyMoni on December 27, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
I voted very feminine. Femininity is my drug of choice. I still feel like I could drag the masculine skeleton out of the closet if I absolutely had to, like to fix a car or something. Of course, that's on the condition of not breaking a nail.

Like you, I voted "very feminine".  A cis woman might disagree, but it's how I feel.

I can still do the guy things (though breaking nails is definitely not good!), but I insist on being feminine while doing it.  I love this pic, because, even in my hard hat, kevlar chaps and old grungy male T-shirt, I still look like a girl! :D

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Linde

Well, almost any girl can handle a fine German product like a Stihl saw!
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GordonG

Quote from: Dietlind on December 28, 2018, 08:24:20 AM
Well, I think some of us gals her can give you some lessons in how to swing a wrench (and do some welding on top of it)  :angel:

Yup, I was a auto mechanic for about 15 years long ago in another life.
I'm a gender confused guy who lives an hour north of Seattle.
I believe that I was influenced by DES. I have crossdressed in public a handful of times, see avatar picture (enhanced with FaceApp).
I don't plan on transitioning, no GRS, FFS, nor BA.
I consider myself TransFeminine. But reserve the right to change my mind at any time.  ;D

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Ryuichi13

#78
Quote from: Dietlind on December 28, 2018, 08:24:20 AM
Well, I think some of us gals her can give you some lessons in how to swing a wrench (and do some welding on top of it)  :angel:
I used to be able to do simple things before cars became so computerised.  I changed the sparkplugs in my old 1994 Dodge Shadow ES Turbo back in the day, but I haven't had to do anything like that since.  That's why I have a reliable mechanic! [emoji16]

If its medical-related, OTOH, being a (disabled) Paramedic comes in handy.  Remember when the medical profession was mostly female?  I can still splint a fractured leg or handle a gunshot wound with the best of them, even with not having worked as a street Medic since 2010!

Ryuichi

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CynthiaAnn

I voted in the majority (somewhat feminine)....
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