Is FFS overrated?

[Mahsa Tezani]

Masha, why not make a visit to Dr O's, it sounds like you live pretty close to SF or in the Bay area. Maybe bring back some "Pixie Dust" or "Borg Implants".

Meh. I only want my nose done and thats more of an issue of vanity.Maybe my upper lips as well. My friend altered my photos to show how that would look...here are the results.

The before:


The after:


Not much of a difference. Hardly enough to justify dropping 10k plus when you can barely afford to change your name and I am not borrowing/charging it.

[wendy]

Ms. Mahsa you look feminine and pretty with or without surgery.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Ms. Mahsa you look feminine and pretty with or without surgery.

Femininity doesn't expire and can be upgraded.

Point is that ffs makes subtle differences with a lot of ts's. Some need it, some don't... Again, it's up to them really.

I'm more for self acceptance.

[SandraJane]

Meh. I only want my nose done and thats more of an issue of vanity.Maybe my upper lips as well. My friend altered my photos to show how that would look...here are the results.

The before:


The after:


Not much of a difference. Hardly enough to justify dropping 10k plus when you can barely afford to change your name and I am not borrowing/charging it.

Masha,

You were blessed with one of those faces, many of us are not. I agree, why change anything...well the upper lift would be the only thing I can see, save your money. But what was your purpose with this thread in the first place? Maybe FFS is not for you, but why draw out the conversation  and in the end show us how naturally attractive you are? Mean spirited to me on your part. Sure FFS is expensive, some don't need it, but some of us do and we have professional positions that make it imperative that we pass! Ever been laid off from a 75K a year job? I have and that's long before transition came into play.

Plus there is the undeniable deference between the male and female skull and facial structures. I know of some Post-Op Women that still look like men and this keeps them in the far margins of society, sad but true!

You do look great, and I'm glad for you, but be nice about it.

SandraJane

[Mahsa Tezani]

Masha,

You were blessed with one of those faces, many of us are not. I agree, why change anything...well the upper lift would be the only thing I can see, save your money. But what was your purpose with this thread in the first place? Maybe FFS is not for you, but why draw out the conversation  and in the end show us how naturally attractive you are? Mean spirited to me on your part. Sure FFS is expensive, some don't need it, but some of us do and we have professional positions that make it imperative that we pass! Ever been laid off from a 75K a year job? I have and that's long before transition came into play.

Plus there is the undeniable deference between the male and female skull and facial structures. I know of some Post-Op Women that still look like men and this keeps them in the far margins of society, sad but true!

You do look great, and I'm glad for you, but be nice about it.

SandraJane

Wasn't my intention at all...

Actually, it was about how it's a lot of money for subtle changes. I was just showing you his alterations as an example. I'll post examples of someone else next trime.

[SandraJane]

Subtle changes? FFS subtle changes? Guess we look at different pictures and  web sites. And a correction on my part, Shades O'Gray actually started the thread, but you have helped it along. HRT doesn't do the same for everyone either.

SJ

[Mahsa Tezani]

Subtle changes? FFS subtle changes? Guess we look at different pictures and  web sites. And a correction on my part, Shades O'Gray actually started the thread, but you have helped it along. HRT doesn't do the same for everyone either.

SJ

Okay, you win. I'll retreat into the shadows.

[Forever21Chic]

Subtle changes? FFS subtle changes? Guess we look at different pictures and  web sites. And a correction on my part, Shades O'Gray actually started the thread, but you have helped it along. HRT doesn't do the same for everyone either.

SJ

Okay, you win. I'll retreat into the shadows.

  Lol, ladies can't we all just get along? Anywho yeah in my opinion FFS is a life saver for some and def is not overrated but i'll say again the price for it could choke a banker! I've seen some great before and after pictures from full FFS but i have to agree with mahsa that most are just subtle changes. Surgery done on the forehead is a good example of what FFS can do, look at someone from a side profile that had forehead work done and you'll see what i'm talking about. 

[SandraJane]

  Lol, ladies can't we all just get along? Anywho yeah in my opinion FFS is a life saver for some and def is not overrated but i'll say again the price for it could choke a banker! I've seen some great before and after pictures from full FFS but i have to agree with mahsa that most are just subtle changes. Surgery done on the forehead is a good example of what FFS can do, look at someone from a side profile that had forehead work done and you'll see what i'm talking about. 

Darlin' have you seen very many pictures of a Full FFS? Do you understand the principle behind it? Its not just about the Forehead, Nose, Jaw or Chin...its about the combination of procedures to balance out the Face's Symmetry, to reshape it to Female proportions...that's not subtle! But hey everyone is entitled to their opinions, right? I do find it surprising that even with before and after pic's of Amy Smiles you would call that subtle. Could be the term FFS itself is being interpreted differently or used because it implies a "status quo", sounds better?

Anyway...its not about getting along, disagreement can be a good thing depending on which way you point it!

SJ

[AmySmiles]

Granted my case wasn't so subtle, but for other people it certainly can be.  Those people who don't need it as badly should more carefully weigh their priorities because it may not be worth the money for them.  My face was one of those weird situations where I passed ok from the front, but not at all from the side.  Since a lot of people first see you from the side, I decided to get it done.

[Forever21Chic]

Anyway...its not about getting along, disagreement can be a good thing depending on which way you point it!

SJ

  No you seem kinda hostile in my opinion.

Granted my case wasn't so subtle, but for other people it certainly can be.

  Yeah i've seen your before & after pics and i was impressed with Dr. O's work. I know what you mean about the whole passing from the side issue, i look great from the front and from my right side but my left side kinda gives me away which is why i was considering FFS.

[SandraJane]

  No you seem kinda hostile in my opinion.

No, but people have opinions. If someone doesn't like what we said or responds to us in a manner we didn't expect doesn't mean they were being hostile.

[Constance]

My intention with starting this thread was because about half the MtF's I've interacted with face-to-face had said that if they could go back in time, they'd not have FFS. The other half have said they'd do it no matter the cost and pain and recovery time.

Those are the questions I've asked. Can we please keep to those topics?

Thank you.

--Connie

[Pippa]

Hopefully, I won't need full FFS as it effectively means pulling your forehead over your chin!  It seems extrememly painful.  I hope I can get away with ith odd nip and tuck to knock off the remaining masculine features!

[Shana A]

A reminder to refrain from any personal attacks! It is possible to express differing opinions without them.

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[Cadence Jean]

Meh. I only want my nose done and thats more of an issue of vanity.Maybe my upper lips as well. My friend altered my photos to show how that would look...here are the results.

The before:


The after:


Not much of a difference. Hardly enough to justify dropping 10k plus when you can barely afford to change your name and I am not borrowing/charging it.

There's no way you need it!  I think your nose is cute!  I haven't seen a side view of it, but it can't be any worse than mine.

[Mahsa Tezani]

There's no way you need it!  I think your nose is cute!  I haven't seen a side view of it, but it can't be any worse than mine.

Having photostalked all your photos on fb... You look 100% female and I am not the kind of person who diddly daddles about that stuff. I would have said something right now about ffs...

I still don't know how you got from your before pic to now... You look completely different.

[Cadence Jean]

Having photostalked all your photos on fb... You look 100% female and I am not the kind of person who diddly daddles about that stuff. I would have said something right now about ffs...

I still don't know how you got from your before pic to now... You look completely different.

Ef diamonds!  Makeup is a girl's best friend.  The hair is huge.  Dunno how my stylist did it, but she is a miracle worker.

[Mahsa Tezani]

yeah

[wendy]

My intention with starting this thread was because about half the MtF's I've interacted with face-to-face had said that if they could go back in time, they'd not have FFS. The other half have said they'd do it no matter the cost and pain and recovery time.

Those are the questions I've asked. Can we please keep to those topics?

Thank you.

--Connie

Connie,  was there a direct correlation between older age and thinking FFS was worth while?  Did older people find FFS more satisfying?  Or is FFS a confidence booster?