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What makes you want to be female?

Started by Cody Jensen, April 19, 2011, 04:56:02 PM

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Catherine

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-CRaSH-

Thank you Catherine.

Have a nice day :).
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Jacelyn

I think before a person reached puberty, he/she does not have sexuality consciousness, his/her mind is unconditioned, he/she may admired a certain character he/she witnesses, and tend to like to imitate the person admired, this imitation is very similar to a person undergoes gender change in imitating the behaviour of the real life or imaginary "model" of the sexual identity he/she choosen to conform to.

The question raised is what causes the mind to prefer the particular sexual identity over the other after one's mind has sexuality consciousness, instead of pure admiration of someone [without prior knowledge of sexual preferences] like that of a child. But the main point is that the motive for admiration of both the adult and child consciousness is the same, that is, they both depends on having attached to a particular human model of a distinctive sexual identity.

For an adult person born with a female body whose mind inclined to the self identification as a man, based on the above explanation, this person must necessarily have being strongly attracted to male "model/s", for example, the person has accumulated a habit of admiring a certain male persons, to the exclusion of the female persons. It is very common for an average cis-woman to have a society's conformed habit of admiring other male persons, as the prospect of potential mate. When this habit of admiring a certain male persons, to the exclusion of the female persons accumulates over many years, it become a force within her, in other words, it become a second nature to her to easily like men more than she likes women. If the circumstances is right, and she re-evaluate her self-gender identity, the force of admiring the male "model" will overpower her society's conditioned sexual conformity, if she released her conditioned opposition to this force, it will be her second nature to assume the identity of being male.

The same situation applied to MTF in opposite way.

There are other causes for a person's mind to prefer to play the role of the opposite gender they are born with, these are what the society has conditioned them to believe the advantage vs. disadvantage of the given gender against the other (something which this thread end up discussing), but the resultant decision would be based rationally. I believe one's rationality if relied heavily may well stop the person from undergoes gender re-assignment, within the person there must exist a force much strongly than rationality to enable him / her to willing to overcome much of society's resistance to reach mind's inner peace.
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Amykins

What makes you want to be female?

Identity.
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ravij

Giving birth, I guess. That's the only good thing about it.

I've always wanted to have a child.
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Padma

Quote from: -CRaSH- on April 20, 2011, 06:16:08 AM
You know what.... I could give you statistics, and reason as to how a few of those are false or misconceptions, and how men suffer from more harmful sexism...

CRaSH, you remind me of me a few years ago (or of feminists 20 years ago :)) - all I want to say about this is: it's not a competition. Some women and some men experience oppression and sexism. It's irrelevant to wonder who is winning in the 'mine was worse' stakes, history proves how divisive and pointless that can get.

So when people say women experience a particular brand of sexism, you don't need to assume that they are implying that men don't as well. You might think about giving women here the benefit of the doubt and assuming that when they describe their experience, it's just true. And it doesn't matter whether men get treated the same way or not (or more so or less so), it only matters that anyone ever gets treated that way at all.

We can, if we want, choose just to be people together against sexism, rather than men vs. women :). Does this make sense to you?
Womandrogyne™
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Myself

Nothing makes me want to be a female. It just feels right, it's just what I am. Sure I can list positives and negatives, things that I like better or prefer or seem attracted to, but overall they seem irrelevant, it's just a feeling that feels right and therefore I follow.

There is also that feeling that feels wrong on being a man big time which has its consequences too (which depending on where you are on the spectrum, can be very damaging to the mind/person)
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umop ap!sdn

Quote from: JoyceChin on April 20, 2011, 07:43:07 AMWhen this habit of admiring a certain male persons, to the exclusion of the female persons accumulates over many years, it become a force within her, in other words, it become a second nature to her to easily like men more than she likes women. If the circumstances is right, and she re-evaluate her self-gender identity, the force of admiring the male "model" will overpower her society's conditioned sexual conformity, if she released her conditioned opposition to this force, it will be her second nature to assume the identity of being male.

The same situation applied to MTF in opposite way.
I'm not sure that's true. That assumes the brain has plasticity when it comes to gender, and there is evidence that it does not, e.g. the boy (I can't remember his name) who was raised as a girl and later asserted his male identity, and also the studies done of the size of the basal stria terminalis. Gender appears to be innate, not something that can change via psychological mechanisms.
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wannalivethetruth

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Cody Jensen

Quote from: pebbles on April 20, 2011, 04:51:50 AM
You notice is from time to time when you transition into a woman and begin to pass you are just treated differently.

these days it's not overt and people won't tell you "women can't do X" but it's occasionally assumed or implied until either you aggressively state otherwise (which gives you the impression of begin a bitch) an example would be basically I'm a scientist and I'm very technically minded, yet despite this when something needs fixing these days I'm now called on last... My skills are just as sharp as ever.

Another subtle thing was when I was working "I want to see your manager... get him out here now!" "She... Isn't in right now." presumption that women can't be managers.

And it's also this sensation in certain conversations when tasks are begin delegated where your just subtly implied to be incompetent, or too fragile to endure specific tasks, at uni I needed to climb a tree and the presumption was I wasn't strong enough/skilled enough to do this.

The other thing that's different is the unwanted sexual advances.

^ this
Derp

"I just don't know what went wrong!"
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Kaeren

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lauren3332

I don't think any person knows what makes him or her a particular gender.  We all just feel a certain way.  I didn't know at an early age that I was a girl.  I was happy being a man from age 1-17.  My gender eventually matured into what it is today, a female.  I have just recently figured out the last of my lingering doubts.  I used to try to find the reason why I "changed" genders.  I realized that when I as a child I was babied and a mamma's boy to boot, so my gender identity was immature.  I realized I didn't really have doubts about what gender I was, but have doubts about getting others to perceive that I am a woman.  I just feel compelled to be in the feminine spectrum.  I have a strong need to be perceived as female.  I don't really hate my body, but that is probably due to having to cope with Cerebral Palsy.  My body just plain sucks, so I don't pay too much to its physical imperfections.  I have more of a social dysphoria.  This social dysphoria tells me I am more of woman than I ever realized.  I always thought, "I act like a man, but I have this gender dysphoria in the social realm."  Maybe I am not a man at all, I am just a tom boy, or I am a female that isn't on either extreme of the gender spectrum.  I am my own type of woman.  Physical things are what people can use to help them express their gender identity.  You want to express your masculinity by wearing male clothes just as a m to f might choose to wear female clothes to express her femininity.  Some TS people do not care about clothes and choose other ways to express who they are. 

Nothing makes me female.  I just a female.  Nothing can change that.               
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Amykins

Quote from: -CRaSH- on April 19, 2011, 07:53:36 PM
Oh, alright, I get it.

I guess you mean "More open with your caring."

Right?
Because men do care. We're not robots.

Then you are here on this forum to show yourself as caring?  About who, and to what end?
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Amykins

Quote from: -CRaSH- on April 20, 2011, 02:17:24 AM
What sexism do women suffer from?

Well CRaSH, I think a far more important question is how you, as an individual person in the whole of humanity, manage to deal with that waxy yellow buildup on your floors, and whether you have a decent recipe for tandoori chicken. I have been struggling with the waxy yellow buildup for 17 years now, and I can just tell that you are someone who knows the answer to this troubling question.

I have tried the acrylic floor coatings, but still end up with that unsightly waxy yellow buildup over a few weeks and I have never been able to figure out how to stop that from happening. Should I pre-wax with ammonia or some other stripping solution?

I currently have the tandoori sauce, but I think the powder would be a much better way to go, if it can be obtained,
( recommendation?)  and I'd also appreciate your recommendation for a good curry.

I would also like to ask what brand of hair coloring you use and whether you have your nails done every two weeks, or more often. I last used Loreal, but found it did not really cover all of the gray.`

Thankyouverymuch :D

Amy
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Jacelyn

QuoteGender appears to be innate, not something that can change via psychological mechanisms.

Habit when accumulated over many years, will become an innate part of mind, and will effect psychological mechanisms in the body. In other words, the body / brain will undergo transformation to adapted to mind conditioned pattern.

A child before puberty has no sexuality consciousness, but may be conditioned to accept self-gender identity by external influence, and may have this habit accumulates from this early age, which effect the body / brain.

The nerves of the female-gender oriented person is linked to the right side of the body, if you observed the palm of the person, if the person's right palm have more distinctive lines than the left, it does indicate the person is more female-gender oriented. It is known phenomena that the person's innate thought effect the physical, and will show in the physical body as sign of mental condition.
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Britney♥Bieber

I wouldn't say that I want to be female. A lot of times I tell people I don't want to transition, I really don't. I was just born in the wrong body and to live a full life I must become the woman I am. It's as simple as that. I mean sure the makeup and hair and clothes etc are fun, but after a while the whole point is being a woman. Not dressing or acting or walking or talking or looking like one thinks a woman should, but feeling like a woman. It makes my life easier, makes me more comfortable with myself etc.

xAndrewx

Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on April 20, 2011, 08:42:29 PM
I wouldn't say that I want to be female. A lot of times I tell people I don't want to transition, I really don't. I was just born in the wrong body and to live a full life I must become the woman I am. It's as simple as that.

Sorry to butt my nose in but I wanted to say that I like that answer :) That's how I view it myself with of course the woman edited to say the man but exactly the same otherwise :)

annette

Hi Josh

Well, you've got a lot of answers now, the bottom line (including myself) is that you are what you are.
It's all about feelings, when you are a woman, you feel like a woman, you just want to have your body according to the mind.
Nobody ever wanted transition because it won't make things easier, it's just the only way to have your own identity, the one that will fit to you as you are.

If you feel like a man Josh, you should look for help, you've only got one life and everyone is trying to find inner peace.
It's so much stress to pretend the opposite gender when you really aren't, just to please relatives.
Nobody knows what's going on in your head so they will be treat you like a girl, just the thing you hate the most.

We had the same feelings as you have only the other way around.

I hope you will find the inner peace and happiness someday.

hugs
Annette
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Maddie Secutura

Quote from: EmilyElizabeth on April 19, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
In fact, when I was younger I thought it was just natural for guys to want to be girls, because it was just so clear to me that being a girl was more desirable. 

Same here!


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Sad Girl

I love straight men, so I need to be female to have them.
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