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Started by Starshadow, April 28, 2011, 04:52:21 PM

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Starshadow

Hello all,
Wandered in, not trans but have many, many trans friends online and a few off. I'm a sixty year old
lesbian, mom and grandmom. Still learning. I'm also an artist, and I'm writing some sf novels set in an
original world I built, aliens who look mostly human and who don't have the sex and gender hangups
that humans have all over our world. (They have other problems, of course, since it's difficult to tell a story
just about happy-ever-after, but gender and sex issues aren't among them.) Anyway, since I am mostly
social online (mobility problems) and since I want my characters to be the real people they are,
some have popped up and said they are what their world calls "third gender."

One, ftm, young person in particular wanted me to write her story (this may sound strange, but as for many
writers, my characters pop up and introduce themselves...) and I want to get her voice right, if you know what
I mean. Reading introductions, I believe and hope I'm on the right track. Her (I'm unsure whether to translate to
a third gender pronoun here, so am using her body pronoun, but that may well change) gender is just one
part of who she is, but as she is growing up and in her case getting post pubertal body changes, it's still
a major part.  So I figure who better to learn from than folks going through or having gone through all of this.

If anyone has any words to say, I'm open to 'em. Hope you don't mind an old non-judgmental woman hanging
around you folks, and if I step on any toes, please let me know. I may be clumsy at times, but I mean well!

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YinYanga


You're most welcome *curtsies* How are you today? :)

Id love to write myself, but I dont have the energy or the talent for it

I see stories and scripts in front of me about tons of gender/sexuality and identity related topics...some very artsy like a Meditteranean transgender person who explores the history of her country in dreams and visions.She would glimpse at the love between people, a day to day life, struggles and war ..and she would try to dance and sing songs of hope and joy

I'm odd like that, but atleast I am not alone, and neither are you, here :)
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Starshadow

Thanks, doing pretty well, as well as my physical issues let me!!

Thank you for the welcome and encouragement. I'm wondering whether I should have my FtM character have a gender-neutral pronoun, or use the one of the gender she (sie? xe? he?) identifies as. This is mostly thinking out loud--I think what is happening is that the character is changing and demanding to be known as "he"--hard to explain how the character "talks" to me in my head without sounding loony-tunes, ya know? But writers do this a lot, I've found. But if I get some strong feedback, I want to take it into consideration, because as a woman and lesbian and pagan, I hate when non-what-I-know-I-ams use a characterization wrongly, y'know.

I'm a stickler for research that way.

Anyway, I bet you have plenty of talents...like that nice curtsy!   :)
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YinYanga

I'm sure you'll your research will bring frowns and many smirks, just aswell :)

I just wonder, does your writing also reflect an ideal for the world? I read that you like to write about the concept of aliens where gender/sexuality is vastly different. Its something that I often think about myself: how would it be, could I actually be part of it if I wanted it badly, would humanity finally accept there's more than straight people who behave so normative

If I were to paint, or even write my more drama/fiction orientated stories and scripts it would definately be a reflection of what I feel personally and think of an ideal world

My genderidentity and my interest in culture and art sometimes seem intertwined, its all one big journey for me

PS: As the character is an FtM, I would guess 'he' , but how does the FtM seem himself? Have you "talked" to him yet? What does he tell you about his masculinity or even femininity?.
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Starshadow

Here's the scenario of the world---its sun is Psi Serpentis Alpha, and its people are somewhat homogenous. They look human on the outside. (Internally there are some differences.) They never had gods, but they have a sort of generalized spirituality involving an Oracle--she is supposed to be eternal, but no one knows if she really is eternal, or is a succession of Oracles. She lives within the sacred mountain Clymaiad (aiad means Mount) above the city of Clymele. And when this part of the story takes place, the world is dying--it's overpolluted, over populated, and generally in bad shape. Eventually, when the main character, who in this part of the story is writing a journal of his past, is in his twenties, an alien arrives from another dimension, and changes the world back to what it had been before the people arose, restoring its beauty. (An aside, the alien is the last of his kind, and what his kind did was to uplift and reform a species, and then rule over them in a benevolent dictatorship. He calls this process Jimat, or formation, in his language.) So the story here takes place at least ten of their years (close to earth years, similar type world in many ways) before Jimat.

Rather than kingdoms and religious wars, the people of this planet are ruled by clans who have armies and hired assassins. Wars that occur (as they do) are fought over money and land. The sexes have equality, but differ in dress and how they wear their hair. Most men and most women wear their hair long--men often braid theirs in three or four braids, clasped at nape and end with cloth or wire. Women wear their hair in single braids or pinned up under scarves, at least in the northern territories. But third gender people by custom have more fluidity in what they can wear and do wear. None of this is law, just custom. Prostitution, also, is an honored guild on their world. They call it comfort work, and comfort houses are a combination of restaurant, hotel, bar and places for comfort workers to meet with clients. So there's no stigma to comfort work, except that those on the bottom rungs of society, pre-Jimat, of any guild, make less coin, and work harder for their living.

Also, most people of this planet are pretty much in the middle of the Kinsey scale, (zero to six, zero being exclusively heterosexual and six exclusively homosexual). No stigma there, either.

The FtM character is identified as Mentesnin, which is a male's name, or Mente for short. Mente was very young when introduced, but half a year later, breasts are beginning to develop, and secondary sexual characteristics. And Mente is interested in the main character's very first lover, who is a male, like the main character. But the lover has chosen to be with the main character, and Mente is jealous and angry and at the same time, attracted to the main character as well. And since he's never been with a woman, his inclination naturally is to treat Mente as a female, because it's his first encounter with anyone trans. Mente doesn't want him on those terms though. So there's some conflict brewing, and I'm still playing it out in my head. I see scenes before I write them...almost like a holographic camera, if that makes sense.

So MY inclination was originally to call Mente "he" and "him" but Mente said no, go ahead and use "she" and "her" but I think that's changing. Maybe as a result of the body changes.

Transition on that world, pre-Jimat, wouldn't be simple as it would be a matter of affording a Healer's help. And I don't know if they had surgical techniques perfected or not. I think they do after Jimat, but not, maybe, before. Balancing hormones, I think they had, but one had to have coin to do it, and as a member of the laboring class, galley help on a ship as Mente and the main character are, it would cost too much, which would lead to a great deal of frustration too.

Eventually the main character mentions that he meets Mente years later and he is living as a male, married to a ruling clan's zunzuh'hru (warrior, soldier). But they don't speak or interact, as the main character by then is a street comfort worker, lowest class of that guild, and working at staying out of trouble, not drawing attention to himself.

So I think I may wind up using a neutral pronoun. My personal inclination is to use whatever a person prefers. I've known guys who dressed as female who nonetheless preferred to be "he" and "him", and those who were pre-transition who preferred "she" and "her." I try to respect and honor that person's choice of gender pronoun preference. Hard, in a language which sorts by twos. (either/or, you know.)

I'm still trying to figure Mente out. But I think Mente is trying to figure Mente out, as well. Awfully young person.

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Janet_Girl

Hi Starshadow, :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 6400 strong. That would be one heck of a family reunion.

Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers. Give and receive advice.

But remember we are family here, your family now. And it is always nice to have another Ally. :icon_hug:

And be sure to check out these links ( MUST READS )


Hugs and Love,
Janet 
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Starshadow

Thanks, Janet. I read all the rules, not being a newbie to the web, and all. If I inadvertently transgress, I hope you will let me know and know that in the spirit of honoring the mods and all the peeps, I will comply with whatever. I'm a guest here in your world, and will mind my manners!

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Tesseract Allen

Starshadow hmm? That is somewhat elditchly awesome, sort of like changing you name to starkiller.

Welcome fellow wordsmith!
I look forward to cracking in to your rift! (NOT AN INNUENDO)
Twitter: Transmogrofied
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Starshadow

Not as eldritch as it sounds. The star part is a pentacle--symbol of the five elements of air, earth, fire, water, spirit. Shadow is that which is hidden, like Book of Shadows, a sort of witch's diary of stuff.

Or that which is seen but not there.

or something.

Thanks for the welcome!
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Devlyn

Hi Starshadow, it's nice to meet you! You won't step on too many toes, as long as you're polite, we can take almost anything here! Hugs, Tracey
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annette

Hi Starshadow

Welcome to the forum.
I can be clumsy too, coz English isn't my native language.
I'm pretty sure that I use expressions the wrong way but when people notice you've the best intentions, they forgive you.
In my expirience  on the site, people are nice and supporting, so have a good time here


hugs
Annette
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