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So I'm being social but I'm still timid

Started by Squirrel698, June 05, 2011, 01:24:14 PM

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Squirrel698

I do live action role playing with a bunch of guys.  We are playing Sabbat if anyone is familiar with Old World of Darkness.  Basically they vampire anarchist and there is absolutely no sparkling involved.  There is a lot of death and debauchery and posturing.   We dress up as vampires and interact with each other.  Yet we are not nice vampires at all.  Something in the realm of thirty guys play on any given night.  It's all very testosterone driven.

Any rate when playing the characters people forget whatever polite restraint they might have normally.  I do have a character as well but shades of myself slip in.  There is no stopping that especially when you are brand new to the whole thing.  However I see it was an opportunity to learn because the stakes are much lower.  Then afterwards we all go out drinking together.

Last night my character was at the centre of attention.  Not in a good way, unfortunately.  They were evaluating him (me) and finding him lacking.  The consensus was entirely to timid, needs more conviction, perhaps a bit stupid and low confidence.  Not that I was to worry.  They were going to 'learn me good' ....  Which consisted of throwing me into the wall a bunch of times. 

On one hand they have no idea where I am coming from and how far I had to go to even show up for the game.  Plenty of these guys are very rough and use the whole vampire thing to promote aggression.  There are rules but they are edged at times.  I pass completely but they still see me as weak and not to bright.  Yet I really enjoy the game and am not about to stop going.  Besides it is good social practice like I said.

They don't have the best impression because I get tongue tied and nervous making myself known in the group.  I can make conversation, for the most part.  Yet I am so timid when it comes to really getting loud and aggressive about it.  A big part of me doubts the majority of what I want to say.  So I redirect it or offset it.  Using words like 'maybe, perhaps" for example.  This bugs the ->-bleeped-<- out of people.     

I want to get more into the whole male friendship experience but I need to get over this hump first.  Anyone have any advice on feeling more confident.  I feel like I'm on a crash course learning about social cues and unwritten rules.  Guys together can be surprisingly affectionate at times and in your face challenging at others.  I'm just on the edge, not quite in there yet.  They haven't given up hope for me yet, but I doubt that will last forever. 

So any tips?  Or advice on how to get myself better established?  How to start believing in myself a bit more?

   
"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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420NEKO

I have a big problem with my self confidence as well. I don't really have any advice, unfortunately... Sorry... I replied to this because I was wondering how you go about finding a group for LARP? ^^;
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Squirrel698

That's fine, thanks for answering. 

Tell me where you are located and I can tell you where to find a group
"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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Squirrel698

Sorry I really looked hard but nothing in West Virginia. 

This is the best I could find in Richmond, Virginia.  http://www.meetup.com/House-Divided/

Here is another one in Newport News, Virginia or Hampton Roads http://dhr.wikispaces.com/home

There is another one in Harrisonburg, VA but for the life of me I can't find an exact address.  They want you to email for it.  http://wiki.white-wolf.com/camwiki/index.php?title=Deliverance_Requiem_VSS

Lexington, Kentucky http://wiki.white-wolf.com/camwiki/index.php?title=Category:Lexington,_KY_Requiem#Game_Schedule

Canton, Ohio http://wiki.white-wolf.com/camwiki/index.php?title=Canton,_oh

One thing you should know is that people take this game extremely seriously and it is extremely complicated.  They don't make it especially easy for new people.  I had to rip the net apart to find those two venues. 

If you do want to play, let me know and I'll try to help.  It is fantastic time but there is a very large learning curve at first.

"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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420NEKO

Thanks for looking. I plan to move out of state and I have family in Virginia, so that might be an option.

Hm... Sounds like it would be a little scary at first, but I'd love to get into something like this.

Again, thank you for finding these links for me! I really appreciate it.


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quinn

Quote from: Squirrel698 on June 05, 2011, 01:24:14 PM
I want to get more into the whole male friendship experience but I need to get over this hump first.  Anyone have any advice on feeling more confident.  I feel like I'm on a crash course learning about social cues and unwritten rules.  Guys together can be surprisingly affectionate at times and in your face challenging at others.  I'm just on the edge, not quite in there yet.  They haven't given up hope for me yet, but I doubt that will last forever. 

So any tips?  Or advice on how to get myself better established?  How to start believing in myself a bit more?

I am also... not the best at social things, there's always been all these unwritten rules, like you said, that everyone else seems to instinctively know, that take me longer to pick up on. I got a new job recently (been there a month or two now), in customer service, and a lot of the calls we get are the customers b*tching about this, that, and the other, and often they threaten things like going to the press about our company or filing a BBB complaint (and the company has already had a lot of bad press recently so we really have to take those threats seriously). Anyway, when I first started the job I was awful at it, the main reason being that I had practically zero confidence in what I was saying, so instead of calming the customers down and persuading them not to take further action, the call would get escalated and a supervisor would have to step in. After I while I got more confident, I didn't feel intimidated by them or their threats, and now I can deal with about 98% of all calls on my own without having to get a supervisor to step in.

My point is, new social situations are scary (for me anyway), but after you get used to it, and you figure out how to deal with certain people and/or certain circumstances, it gets a lot easier. Part of being confident is acting sure of yourself even when you're unsure or in unfamiliar territory. At first, when you're acting more confident, it feels like you're just faking it and like you're being an egotistical jerk, but eventually that wears off and one day you realize, oh, hey, I'm not faking it at all, I actually am totally confident! It's a great feeling once you've mastered that. One thing a supervisor told me is that I should always be confident, even when I'm unsure of what I'm saying. Like if the customer asks about a certain policy, or if they can get a discount on whatever, instead of being like "uh... well... I don't know..." I say "that's a great question! Give me just a moment so I can find that out for you," so instead of emphasizing what I don't know, I'm emphasizing what I can do to find out. If that makes any sense.

So what I'm saying is, for whatever it is that you're not confident about because you're not sure how to act, or what to say, etc, be confident anyway and just go for it. If you're confident, even if you end up saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, or doing the wrong thing (socially, I mean, not morally), it won't matter much because the guys will see your confidence and be less likely to tease you about it or whatev because you're sure of yourself. It's like if a guy is giving a speech, and he's stuttering the whole time, if he isn't confident then everyone will be thinking about how much he's stuttering, but if he is confident and concentrates on what he's saying instead of the fact that he's stuttering, then most people won't even notice that he's stuttering, because of that confidence.

God that was a long post. Hope it helps.
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Squirrel698

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Yes it is scary at first, however it was a good decision overall for me. 

I have two characters, one for Requiem and one for Sabbat.  Both of their stories have been very involved.   I'm keeping a blog for my requiem character, if you want to check it out.  It will give you an idea what happens in the game.
"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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Arch

One nice thing about my interactions with cis guys: when I think they're behaving like jerks, I can call them out on it. I get different reactions, depending on the guy and the circumstances. Sometimes they take it as a compliment, sometimes they turn it around on me (but I can give as good as I get), and sometimes they reconsider their behavior. Sometimes I get a combination response.

Unfortunately, I learned a lot of this over the years, while I was living as a female but participating in male-dominated pursuits. It takes time, I guess.

But I think it's constructive to think ahead. You've been playing the game for a while now, right? Before a game, try to anticipate some likely events/interactions, and when you are alone, role play different responses you can make. You're basically role playing for a role playing game, I guess--which seems absurd on the face of it--but the practice can really help.

It's also useful to break things down and think incrementally. Don't try to psych yourself into thinking, "I have to be more assertive." That's a good way to put unneeded pressure on yourself and ensure that you won't be more assertive. Think more in terms of being more assertive once, in one particular type of situation that you have practiced for. If it's not too much to keep track of, you can keep your eyes open for specific opportunities to be assertive.

The other thing is humor. It can be a valuable tool in all sorts of human interactions. I guess that's why so many class clowns use it. I don't know if it would work in such a charged environment, especially when everyone takes the game so seriously. But dark humor (or biting humor, if you'll pardon the pun) is in its own category.

In any event, you can learn a lot fast in such an environment if you keep your eyes and ears open.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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420NEKO

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Squirrel698

Thanks Quinn, I appreciate that advice.  You are right, I'm afraid I'm going to come off like an egomaniac ass-hole and that's not how I am.  On the other hand I can respect it when others have confidence.  I spent most of my life hiding from the world because I felt so wrong.  Now that I am feeling more together I want to go out and meet people.  It's a really exciting time but there are hurdles.

Overall I think I'm doing well.  I just need to have more of a backbone.  It will be difficult for me to be confident in something I'm not really sure about.  I'm afraid of being called on it and looking like a fool.  Yet just sitting there and not defending myself isn't that good either.   

Thanks Arch.  Surprisingly I think they might actually enjoy being put down by me if I could manage it.   Haha biting humour, I see what you did there.  Yes that is always noticed in a good way.  Just my mind freezes up and I think still goes into survival mood.  These guys intend me no real harm but due to bad experiences I still get nervous. 

I have been role playing for my role playing a bit.  Most especially for the more aggressive game.  It is very unpredictable,  so usually the situations I planned for and the things I planned to say never come up.  At least it gets me in the right frame of mind.

"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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tekla

One of those unwritten rules is: The lower the stakes, the more aggressively competitive guys get.  Nothing gets more vicious than a fight about nothing.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Sharky

I don't know anything about role playing, but being indecisive on a course of action is worse than being wrong. It's more important how you act then what you actually do.  If you're acting overly cautious and worrying about potentially doing the wrong thing you won't be able to take advantage of the opportunities. Trust you judgment. If you make a mistake just correct the situation and learn from it. Don't let yourself be held back by indecision.
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Mr.Rainey

Just play to have fun. I don't know what LARP is but I do play some TGC's. I try to win with the best of my abilites and if people get owned by me they get owned. It is better to play your hardest than look like someone who does not look like what they are doing. If you lose you at least fought hard and if you win then you are respected.
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