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Some people it seems just don't get it!

Started by Miss_Anthropic, June 02, 2011, 01:08:56 AM

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Miss_Anthropic

I was recently talking with a friend about my voice and she said something to me that I found kind of hilarious! I came out to this girl 7 years ago, I've tried to educate her the best I can, but for some reason she just can't get it thru her skull that merely looking kind of female isn't enough to get by in society. Anywho, just a short funny vid about my frustration, I thought others might enjoy.


Warning, I do drop an F-bomb, sorry... I have a potty mouth sometimes lol :p

~Sara

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Muffins

Yeah the whole voice thing is something that confuses me because I consider it be one of the most important factors when it comes to passing, people notice it straight away.. second to the physical. I do accept those that choose to not work on their voices and just say "this is who I am and people can like it or not", if that makes them happy then great! But for me I much prefer a voice that matches the look ..it's just makes me feel more whole.
I kind of consider the voice to be an extension of the voice that we use in our heads, even though when we talk it's passing through our vocal chords which is of the body/physical I still consider the voice we use in our head to be the voice we general speak with from a young age. The fact that we can control and manipulate our voices to sound like more or less anything suggests we'd match it to something and I consider that to be usually the voice in our heads.
Of course when growing up it's easy to let it drop when trying to fit in with others expectations of us.. I hated that idea and I consider it one thing I refused to do.. it did result in people thinking I was soft or gay etc but meh that was just something that made it that much easier to come out "I'm not gay I'm ....", "what?....", "I'm.... not a boy".
Nothing should be considered compulsory in transition as we all have unique goals that make us as individuals feel happy and content within our own selves before anyone else. There have been people who I've met that have voices that don't always match their looks and I can say that when I first met them I noticed it a lot but the more time I spent around them I forget about it and just considered it as part of who they are. Yet I still know that for people that are only meeting them for the first time and don't know much of the topic it could be noticeable to them similar to how it was for me. Some may not be able to get over it and feel awkward about it and I can understand that.

The voice is one of those tricky parts as it's to me right between being physical and beyond physical, like the voice in our head is not physical and could be considered closer to our self-identity and/or gender-identity. We may not have much control over secondary sex characteristics but the voice is something though physical can be reshaped, it's just something that the individual has to decide for themselves.
When friends accept that you may look female but sound closer to a male it could be a way of them saying "I consider you transgendered more than I consider you female". Or if they suggest for you to just use your old voice it could be a way of them holding on to that pervious you.
Personally I wouldn't like that so for me it's something I consider important.
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Miss_Anthropic

Quote from: Muffin on June 02, 2011, 01:39:30 AM......When friends accept that you may look female but sound closer to a male it could be a way of them saying "I consider you transgendered more than I consider you female". Or if they suggest for you to just use your old voice it could be a way of them holding on to that previous you.
Personally I wouldn't like that so for me it's something I consider important.

I think you really struck something there with my particular situation with this friend. I don't believe she considers female and I'm honestly starting to wonder if she ever will; she's not been super willing to use my female name and has outed me as trans to a few people. I almost feel like it's not that she wants to hold onto the old me, but prevent me from joining the "girls club" by doing or saying things that seem to be intended to hold me back..... I dunno, I love her dearly, but it's times like these where I feel like it's really a lost cause with her.

At any rate, I found it quite ignorant and humorous on her part, so I had to make the video to show just how silly her suggestion actually is.

~Sara
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spacial

Thank you for the video. It's the first time I've seen you animated or heard you. You're just as interesting.

I can't really comment too much on the issue, to be honest. But your voice, it sounds fine to me.

It might be nice if, sometime in the future, you could have a consult with a voice coach, possibly one who works with actors. Mainly to get a professional opinion about the mechanics.

I have to say, anyone who says you look in any way male is playing tricks with you. The only one who could ever say that would be your mom.
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Muffins

Quote from: Rabbit on June 02, 2011, 03:23:26 AM
I have mixed feelings on developing / using a female voice.

It kind of seems like an act? Doing a voice in order to "play a part"?

Everything else that is happening with the body, is just the result of replacing a hormone. An easy fix...my body is naturally taking over and doing what it wants to do. So, it is me (when I cough, I'm not worried about my "male body" popping out :P).

I see it as a case of when born we're born with the wrong hormones and they have a negative effect on the development of the body, that can include the vocal chords. When one reaches the point of beginning transition they're beginning the undoing of the negative effects to become who they should of been or could of been if they were born with the correct hormones.
So if one feels the need to "correct" their voice it's not being fake or covering up a true self but undoing the damage that came about as a result of being exposed to the wrong hormones. Much like the effect of all other physical changes whether it's laser/plucking eyebrows or surgery. The inner self comes first and it's just a case of trying to match the outer to a level that the individual feels comfortable.
There is nothing wrong with deciding to not change the voice but to consider it "fake" to do so per se to me is :P And yeah for a lot of people once they adjust the voice to sit higher they lose the ability to move it back down or when they try it just sounds wrong. But that can take years!!!1
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AbraCadabra

Hi honey-bunch,
I'm all the way with you on your voice essay. Funny thing talking just for myself, it first stared with my natural femme laughter, it just really happened and more and more my range went up. It's just almost the natural thing for me, it WANTS to go up because that's the way I feel! Being me.
When stressed or (male like) concentrated I would still be clocked mostly on the phone like male. But then so is my ex-wife still 2 1/2 years younger then I. Mostly I sound the more younger these days.

To me it's a question of FEELING and EXPRESSING who you are and just go with it. Whether giggly girly or a bit more serious it's just fine. Though going into some sort of "baritone" sounds so wrong to me. I don't even know if I can still do it, never mind want to? Scare some naughty children, I done, and wow! did that WORK!
:-)
Axelle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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JaimeJJ

Just thought I'd say... I think you have a beautifully feminine voice :)
I've read some of your other posts about your voice being horribly deep but honestly, you have nothing to worry about!
"everyone thinks that i have it all, but it's so empty living behind these castle walls"
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Miss_Anthropic

Quote from: Rabbit on June 02, 2011, 03:23:26 AM
I have mixed feelings on developing / using a female voice.

It kind of seems like an act? Doing a voice in order to "play a part"? .....

You know that was the biggest hurdle for me starting out, I just felt so incredibly fake working on it, using it, the whole bit....sometimes I still do. I still work as a guy and use both voices but my female one is just *there* now, when I'm in girl mode and start to use it for a while I don't even have to think about it for the most part, it's really odd how it works.

Quote from: spacial on June 02, 2011, 03:51:21 AM
Thank you for the video. It's the first time I've seen you animated or heard you. You're just as interesting.

I can't really comment too much on the issue, to be honest. But your voice, it sounds fine to me.

It might be nice if, sometime in the future, you could have a consult with a voice coach, possibly one who works with actors. Mainly to get a professional opinion about the mechanics.

I have to say, anyone who says you look in any way male is playing tricks with you. The only one who could ever say that would be your mom.

I would love to work with a voice coach at some point, to be honest I'm not very happy with my voice at all for the most part. A big thing I've had to deal with is my prognathism, my lower jaw over developed so the upper part of my mouth is all small and girly but the lower part is big and manish; this lead to my tounge growing a tad too big for my mouth, I'm always getting tounge tied and weird lisps... it's the same way with guy voice for the most part, always has been.

My mom isn't the only one, but she is the most vocal.

QuoteEVERYTHING MUFFIN SAID!

I couldn't agree more! :)

Quote from: Jaime Jennifer on June 02, 2011, 06:56:37 AM
Just thought I'd say... I think you have a beautifully feminine voice :)
I've read some of your other posts about your voice being horribly deep but honestly, you have nothing to worry about!

Thank you! I guess since I'm here I should ask.....what's the verdict on my voice? Female or no? I always feel like it's horrible, but I always see things thru this effed up prisim that is a dysphoric mind.
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caitlin_adams

Hi Miss Anthropic

Just wanted to let you know that I've had a terrible day but you gave me a good laugh, so thank you.

You're voice is really impressive. Before you started expressing how unhappy you are with your voice I though 'if I can end up with a voice like that I'd be happy'.

I'm about to start seeing a speech therapist. I don't know too much about voice coaches but speech pathologised are clinical professionals and I would think would be more appropriate (and better regulated) than voice coaches. Might be worth a try if you're unhappy with your voice.
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cynthialee

I have voice issues. I am a natural rich baritone. There are reasons I have not made any videos for you folks to listen too.....

I can get a female cadence working if I pay attention and I always pass on the phone if I try but I feel like even my best efforts are lame.
I can only get my pitch up a little bit. But Bea Aurthur had a very deep voice and she never sounded like a man.

I tottaly get the feeling phoney by manipulating ones voice. Indeed when it is just me and Sevan at home I still have a hard time ussing my female voice. Hir voice is deep from T and it is just the two of us out here in the forest so I only get limited contact with the outside world. As a result I find myself matching hir tone and cadence. (at least ze talks with the female patern...)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Miss_Anthropic

Quote from: caitlin_adams on June 02, 2011, 08:06:06 AM
Hi Miss Anthropic

Just wanted to let you know that I've had a terrible day but you gave me a good laugh, so thank you.

You're voice is really impressive. Before you started expressing how unhappy you are with your voice I though 'if I can end up with a voice like that I'd be happy'.

I'm about to start seeing a speech therapist. I don't know too much about voice coaches but speech pathologised are clinical professionals and I would think would be more appropriate (and better regulated) than voice coaches. Might be worth a try if you're unhappy with your voice.

Thank you! I got a rather good chuckle out of it, I figured others would also. :) Thanks for the compliment on the voice... there are times I'm satisfied with it and then there are other times I feel like it's utter crap.... hopefully things will improve with use and time.
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juliemac

Its fine. All I saw in the vid was a woman.
But...
The deep voice startled me. Hehehehe

I thought of my own voice (after 20 years) Shudder....

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Eleanor

I burst out laughing when you broke into your male voice. It honestly looked like you had got your boyfriend to dub you over or something. It's not about 'natural' and 'unnatural'. It's about wanting a voice that allows you to live without turning heads every time you open your mouth. If the disparity between your appearance and your male voice is enough to make my jaw hit the floor, it's enough to attract much less welcome attention too. In any case, I think your female voice is fantastic, so no worries there. :D

Also, just thought I'd say that besides your voice, you look amazing for two months of hormone therapy. :D I was really surprised to see in your signature that it had only been that long. I'll be happy if I look half as good after two months!
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