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This Is Why TG Must Be Removed From The DSM

Started by Julie Marie, June 04, 2011, 01:44:50 PM

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tekla

make use of the rights with this bill if not diagnosed

Actually, that fits many people in here.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Just Kate

Quote from: tekla on June 05, 2011, 06:17:23 PM
make use of the rights with this bill if not diagnosed

Actually, that fits many people in here.

Yup.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

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kate durcal

It would help if us and the medical community could reach a consensus on the labels and categories.

So here is list for you to add and/or modify

BRAIN GENDER IDENTITY - the self perception of male, female, male and female (binary or androgynous), male and female to none (gender fluid), and agender (non-gender) 

TRANSGENDER - an individual whose brain gender identity does not match his/her body. May or may not dress congruent with his/her brain gender identity 

TRANSSEXUAL an transgender individual born with the wrong genitalia; driven to change his body to match his/her brain gender identity

->-bleeped-<- - a transgender individual who cross-dress in a part time or permanent basis  without deriving any sexual reward

FETISHISTIC ->-bleeped-<- a transgender individual who cross dresses to derive a sexual reward

I hope I do not come as petulant with this list, but we have to start soem where. Inputs ladies and Gents

Kate D
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Just Kate

Quote from: kate durcal on June 05, 2011, 06:22:01 PM
It would help if us and the medical community could reach a consensus on the labels and categories.

So here is list for you to add and/or modify

BRAIN GENDER IDENTITY - the self perception of male, female, male and female (binary or androgynous), male and female to none (gender fluid), and agender (non-gender) 

TRANSGENDER - an individual whose brain gender identity does not match his/her body. May or may not dress congruent with his/her brain gender identity 

TRANSSEXUAL an transgender individual born with the wrong genitalia; driven to change his body to match his/her brain gender identity

->-bleeped-<- - a transgender individual who cross-dress in a part time or permanent basis  without deriving any sexual reward

FETISHISTIC ->-bleeped-<- a transgender individual who cross dresses to derive a sexual reward

I hope I do not come as petulant with this list, but we have to start soem where. Inputs ladies and Gents

Kate D

Is this list supposed to constitute a medically supported diagnosis?  I don't know that any of the above conditions can be identified medically.  They can be identified psychologically and the criteria already exist for several of them.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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tekla

There already is a list of words and definitions here.  But if you want to reinvent the wheel, go ahead, but remember - it's round.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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kate durcal

Quote from: interalia on June 05, 2011, 06:26:58 PM
Is this list supposed to constitute a medically supported diagnosis?  I don't know that any of the above conditions can be identified medically.  They can be identified psychologically and the criteria already exist for several of them.

If all this definitions are already in the medical tool box then why the media conundrum about the lack of definitions. I yet have to see anything about "gender fluidity" "androgyny" etc in the DSM book?

Certain forms of TG can be ascribe to mutations in the following genes: alpha fetal protein 1, aromatase, sex reversal Y, estrogen receptor, testosterone receptor, that I can think right now.

We cannnot image the stria terminalis in ivo yet, but it is coming.

I am answering your points  and providing you information out of bing nice.


If my list and the idea of helping the medical community work with us in making conceptual definitions that make sense and that can be of much value in generating laws to protect the all TG individuals is a bad idea, then let me hear your superior and constructive idea, I am all ears!

Kate D



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Nygeel

I'm a man and I use the women's bathroom...however I'm a trans man. So watch out women.
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kate durcal

Quote from: tekla on June 05, 2011, 06:29:21 PM
There already is a list of words and definitions here.  But if you want to reinvent the wheel, go ahead, but remember - it's round.

If the list exist then by all means do provide.

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cynthialee

Quote from: Nygeel on June 05, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
I'm a man and I use the women's bathroom...however I'm a trans man. So watch out women.
Just keep your eyes to yourself Mr Man........

:P
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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tekla

I yet have to see anything about "gender fluidity" "androgyny" etc in the DSM book

Maybe because the DSM only deals with mental illness, and those things are just natural variations not neededing, or deserving of treatment.

And those terms have been defined here, on this site.  Do your own research, you'll be so happy and overcome with a feeling of accomplishment when you find it yourself.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Nygeel

Quote from: cynthialee on June 05, 2011, 06:50:36 PM
Just keep your eyes to yourself Mr Man........

:P
Eh, if it helps I wish I could use the men's room and not get in any trouble lol

Anyways...let's say everything trans related were removed from the DSM...how would we get treatment? I think that if people are going to work on removing anything/everything trans related from the DSM then they should set up a way so those who want/need some form of physical transition can obtain it.
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kate durcal

Quote from: tekla on June 05, 2011, 06:53:23 PM
I yet have to see anything about "gender fluidity" "androgyny" etc in the DSM book

Maybe because the DSM only deals with mental illness, and those things are just natural variations not neededing, or deserving of treatment.

And those terms have been defined here, on this site.  Do your own research, you'll be so happy and overcome with a feeling of accomplishment when you find it yourself.


You should re red your post:

I yet have to see anything about "gender fluidity" "androgyny" etc in the DSM book[/i]
"Maybe because the DSM only deals with mental illness, and those things are just natural variations not neededing, or deserving of treatment. " As determined by Dr. Tekla!

"And those terms have been defined here, on this site"J ust list them Dr. Tekla, I do not need to learn to do research, I have being making a living doing research for the last 30 years!

You did not respond, your response is lame as usual; tell me after 15,000 post what have you produced? Where is your list, your hypothesis,your book, your anything, other than a collection of sarcastic and unhelpful post.

Kate D.

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Sephirah

Keep it on the thread subject and not personal attacks please. That goes for everyone.

Thank you.
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tekla

It's not determined by me at all, it's determined by the American Psychiatric Association.
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Julie Marie

There are people here and elsewhere in the TG community who, when they hear someone say gender identity is not a mental disorder, will tell you you're wrong.  And some will fight you tooth and nail insisting they absolutely suffer from a mental disorder and that GID must remain in the DSM.

Going back to about the time homosexuality was still in the DSM, I recall what the general self perception of homosexuals was.  And I think it's safe to say that back then you could have easily found many gays and lesbians who would insist they had a mental disorder and that homosexuality belonged in the DSM.

Go out in the G&L communities today and see how many gays & lesbians will say that now.  I certainly don't know any myself.  But I do know a lot who will tell you about the prejudice, bigotry, hatred and discrimination the G&L community faces.  They recognize the disorder isn't theirs but rather, belongs to society.

Exactly what spurred their drive to come out, I don't know.  But I'll bet once homosexuality was removed from the DSM and therapists and psychiatrists were no longer telling their clients, or anyone else for that matter, that gay is a mental disorder, it gave a lot of people a lot more courage to be themselves.

And once GID is out of the DSM, people like Mr. O'Brien will have to really dig hard to find a palatable spin to keep trans people out of society.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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cynthialee

Without a medical/pschiatric code to point too insurance companies are not likely to pay for transition related services.

I don't like it being a mental disorder in the DSM at all but I see no way around it at this time.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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kate durcal

Quote from: cynthialee on June 05, 2011, 08:15:04 PM
Without a medical/pschiatric code to point too insurance companies are not likely to pay for transition related services.

I don't like it being a mental disorder in the DSM at all but I see no way around it at this time.

This is a fallacy, GID can be label as a medical condition, specifically a birth defect, and thus be fully cover by health insurances, while removing the psychiatric stigma

Kate D
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cynthialee

Quote from: kate durcal on June 05, 2011, 08:48:40 PM
This is a fallacy, GID can be label as a medical condition, specifically a birth defect, and thus be fully cover by health insurances, while removing the psychiatric stigma

Kate D
True but that would require the cooperation of the PTB that run the psych world and the PTB that run the medical world working together. You are talking about moving 2 bureaucracy's simultaneously.
good luck
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Nygeel

If it's labeled as a birth defect then what would happen to those who "aren't trans enough?" By that I mean those who figure out they're trans later, or are maybe feminine trans men/masculine trans women.
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Just Kate

Quote from: kate durcal on June 05, 2011, 08:48:40 PM
This is a fallacy, GID can be label as a medical condition, specifically a birth defect, and thus be fully cover by health insurances, while removing the psychiatric stigma

Kate D

I'd love to know how GID can be labeled as a medical condition, specifically a birth defect.  We have no medically testable criteria.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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