Mom won't call me "daughter"

[kate durcal]

Jesus said nothing about sexuality apart from referencing adultry, which is more a betrayal of trust.

Actually, Jesus did say something about sexualit

Mather 19:12

for there are eunuchs who from the mother's womb were so born; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who kept themselves eunuchs because of the reign of the heavens: he who is able to receive it -- let him receive

Note that in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus there was no word for transgender, bisexual, transsexual, homosexual, or celibate. So every male who did not conform or could not perform the roles of a man was dumped into the eunuch camp.

[Ann Onymous]

with rare exception, we have had years to grapple with the various issues.  For those of us who transitioned at a relatively young age, there were likely elements of our youth that we look back at and wonder how in the hell our parents missed the signals.  But for whatever reason, they DID miss the signals.  It IS NOT reaosnable to expect them to process everything in less time than it took for us to process ourselves...and yes, they ARE entitled to time for a grieving process.  Even though the vessel remains somewhat similar, the reality is that they HAVE lost an important part of their life. 

I don't really remember how long it was for my parents to make all of the appropriate pronounce and name changes without fumbling a few times...I do remember that it was longer for my father than for my mother.  We actually had bigger issues over their unwillingness to use the word 'grandchild' when talking about my ex G/F's kid (whose picture still hangs on my grandmother's refrigerator even though my ex and I split up more than a decade ago). 

[xxUltraModLadyxx]

none of us really want to here about how transsexuality is biblically immoral. i know i don't, because those evangelical people are the ones that won't listen to a word we say. basically, if the bible says it's immoral, that's all they are going to go back to. it's better to just not go there, period.

[spacial]

Actually, Jesus did say something about sexualit

Mather 19.12 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Note that in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus there was no word for transgender, bisexual, transsexual, homosexual, or celibate. So every male who did not conform or could not perform the roles of a man was dumped into the eunuch camp.

I do apologise as I didn't make myself clear.

I was seeking to refer to those references which could be seen as commandments. The only reference involving any sexual conduct was an affirmation of the 7th commandment.

I appreciate the reference to Jesus citing eunuchs. He certainly wasn't commanding anyone to become a eunuch.

However, I'm pretty sure that most who read that reference will say that Jesus is discussing those that are born to one life or another. The diciples ask, in reference to Jesus affirmation of the 7th commandment, relating to divorce, if it is better not to marry. Jesus tells them that some will, some won't. That some are born eunuchs some are made, some feel a necessity to make themselves so.

My own personal perspective is that this is not a commandment and Jesus didn't make any new ones at all. But it does overturn any previous injunctions of a necessity to marry. It also is a clear indication, from Jesus that being eunuch is not some problem, as claimed in Deuteronomy 23.1. Elsewhere, Jesus makes it clear that what matters is what is in our hearts, even more than our deeds.

But I am extremely grateful to you Kate, for pointing this out and reminding me, at least, to be careful with my contexts.

Incidently, I am very grateful to you for the Gospel reference. It would have taken me ages to look that up.

The reason I deleted the quote in your quote is a personal piece of fanaticism. I have no scriptural justification for this and would never seek to impose it onto anyone, but I don't make quotations form the Gospels.

The reason is that, too many seek to take references out of context. The Gospels, like much of the Bible, are a narritive. There are some points, made by Jesus at one time, which he later adjusts. The reasons are obvious to those who have read the entire text. But I've had people taking things out of context, seeking to claim Jesus said one thing.

[kate durcal]

Thank you Spacial for the wonderful clarification.


With all due respect to the believers, we really do not know what Jesus said' it is an at of faith believing that the narratives in the new testaments are indeed the teachings of Jesus. The contradictions of the new testaments are many, the first three gospels have some agreement, but the fourth (John) seem  written by a fanatic. The quote from Mathew do not appear in the other gospels, why?  not that important?

To the evangelical who quote me the old testament to call me an"abomination." I see this quote from Mathew  as an affirmation of my nature. Jesus seems devoted to the defense of the marginalized people, I do not  see how he could have not come to the defense of the transsexual, specially when he clearly understood, and asserted, that "we were made that way in the womb of our mothers."

Love

Kate D

[spacial]

What really goads me about the fanatics and many evangelicals is that they claim to be Christian, yet hold the words of others in higher regard.

I do appreciate the faith required in accepting the teachings of Jesus, as described in the Gospels, but if we take those teachings in isolation, they make such perfect sense. (Mostly!!). Confusion only starts when we try to incorporate everything else. There are the contradictions.

Even if it could be demonstrated that you or anyone else is an abomination, the teachngs of Jesus are quite clear, We cannot judge, only God can do that.

But where's the cashe and the cash in that? (Sorry, utter cynical mode there).

Another thing occurs to me. Murdereds and thieves. They are clearly an abomination. War is clearly an abomination. Yet these people prefer to run around after the likes of you and I.

[kayla.kk]

lol well yeaa note to self 'dont come out to mom' i been trying to figure out how to tell her im a girl all week. i wait til she gets drunk and she will say something where i cant possibly tell her... she isnt into the church or jesus but still comes up with words for my step dad (he was bi and probably a girl too) all of u have a lot more courage then i do! hope 1 day ill have that courage

[SkylerKts]

Basically I was just making a statement from what I thought the reason so many people are against trans people- albeit from the Bible was all my point. Most people who follow religion are the biggest advocates of hate really. It is a hypocritical lifestyle and I spent 2 hours writing my response and you checked that one paragraph to comment on. I strongly believe in God and I believe anyone is entitled to their own belief and practices, but when they come against me then that is when I do have a problem. One thing they need to do is 1. Mind their own business. 2. Keep their opinions to themselves. 3. Try to at least practice what they preach. If God is to hate me then me and God can clear that up not some "holy" follower. And the reason I bring all of this up is because it in fact does mention plenty in the translated Bible that same sex marriage is a sin. That being so they find us guilty. It doesn't make sense because girls like guys so if I like guys then whats the big deal, I like wearing female gender clothes, and having pretty hair too, if me doing it is a sin then any of them doing it is a sin. And secondly not all trans people like the sex of that "sinful" nature. Of course if you are to become a woman and date woman then you are a lesbian therefore going to burn in hell regardless of not having their technical "same sex" tendencies. It is all hypocritical because it is all based on hate. God wants people to be happy not full of hate and misery.

[Maga Girl]

I think i gonna have the same problem...
My mother is very religious...