There is a program on ABC about someone who transitioned to female.
Although they had Klinefelter Syndrome, the event that "reset their endocrine system" was a bee sting.
QuoteChloe says the doctors told them that the severity of the sting had essentially reset Ted's endocrine system, according to Chloe.
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/MindMoodNews/story?id=7994521&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/MindMoodNews/story?id=7994521&page=1)
Um, does this sound like fantasy or what?
Most people have to take thousands of pills to get the desired results.
Is this simply denying personal responsibility?
Was the bee personally responsible for the subsequent SRS?
Enquiring minds want to know!
That does sound like fantasy, grasping at straws or just plain pulling something out of their .....
Really, any doctor who would proclaim something like that without any evidence to back them up seems rather insane. Wouldn't want that person to be my doctor.
Hoping not to get killed by some.
That you are intersex (like the person in this story XXY) doesnt mean you WILL had gender issues. Can happens but its not a rule.
An XXY can have a female or male gender, just like many of the persons in this forum. Its NOT a justification.
Of course most people with Klinefelter Syndrome don't have gender identity issues.
Moreover, we only have this person's word for it that they have this.
What ER does chromosome tests anyway?
Still, let's not go overboard on this.
Remember, Peter Parker turned into Spider-Man just from the bite of one spider.
If I remember correctly back from taking and teaching Genetics as a grad assistant Klinefelter's syndrome is characterized by certain body parts not growing correctly. Now that could lead to low testosterone levels which I guess could realistically affect ones gender identity. It can also cause breast enlargement and a lack of muscle tone. Probably would have more cells express female characteristics as well. Might effect number of sweat glands, etc. This leads me to believe the ER doctor was a kook.
KS in some strong cases can made the body to develop in a female form when going trough puberty. Then if that person's gender its male... well you can guess he will feel and face a tiny bit of what FTM have to deal with.
I saw that. The only thing I can think of is that because she is allergic to bees, her system took a huge shock and began to feminize, which, from what she said, was a welcome change and she took advantage of the situation to physically become who she was on the inside.
But we aren't her, so who are we to question, right? ;)
I was very skeptical of this too. We didn't see an actual doctor on the show, we just had Chloe and Renee's word for it.
I see several other possibilities:
Chloe was self medicating and lied about it. Renee admitted that she didn't know Chloe had spent $70,000 on her transition, because "Chloe is in charge of the finances." Chloe said that, when she was in her teens, she had a PO Box to get clothing in secret. It's not such a stretch to think that maybe Chloe had a PO Box to recieve hormones through the internet, and took them without Renee's knowledge.
2) The treatment for the bee sting is what reset Chloe's immune system, not the sting itself. Maybe the doctors gave her big doses of steroids. If you think about it in terms of a potential malpractice case - a man gets stung by a bee, has an allergic reaction and grows boobs. What is the doctor going to say, it was the treatment that caused it, or it was the patient's reaction to the bee sting?
She must have found the hive.....
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Quote from: Lori on July 23, 2009, 07:20:39 AM
She must have found the hive.....
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WOAH :o
She must have to wear a backpack filled with rocks all the time to even be able to stand up! :laugh: That must wreck your balance no end...
Yeah, that story sounds a bit dodgy to me too. I reckon he lied about having Klinefelter's (no idea if I spelt that correctly) and took hormones he got off the internet in secret. :(
As someone with Klinefelter Syndrome I'm amused by some of the responses to this post. To say that people with Klinefelter's don't have gender issues is naive at best. Having belonged to various Klinefelter or XXY support groups, gender or lack of a clear one is of great concern. You must understand we're not "females trapped in male bodies" we can see the feminine attributes just by looking in the mirror. Enlarged breasts and hips, lack of muscle tone or body hair and low testosterone has made our lives difficult and sometimes impossible. I still have gender issues and straddling the fence between male & female is my choice for now. The Klinefelter diagnosis in many ways was a godsend for it explained a lot about who I am and who I still might be. Knowledge is power.
Thanks for listening,
Did you see the documentary? Did Chloe as a male look like somebody who had Klinefelter?
The bee thought so.
I know someone who was on high doses of HRT meds and was barely in femme range. Then something tragic happened and she was lucky to be alive. Her "equipment" remained in tact but 6 mos after being discharged from the hospital her estrogen counts were in femme range and she no longer needed the estradiol since her body was naturally producing estrogen.
There's more about this in this thread:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,62627.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,62627.0.html)
This program means a lot to me personally, as a transwoman. I'm slightly older than she was when she began transition, but it warms the heart to see her looking so good, and so happy, post transition. Very cool! I, too, have my doubts about her Klinefelter's story. There are things that do not ring true about it. First, she had kids, which is highly unlikely with Klinefelters. Second, I don't think your entire hormonal system can be "reset". Your gonads make the majority of your sex hormones, and even if her testes stopped producing testosterone all together, her body would not be producing enough estrogen on its own to allow her to feminize to this degree. Third, its not common for a hospital to check your genome following a blood test/bee sting treatment. Now, someone can have XXY without having full Klinefelter's Syndrome, and it may be the case that she had a late-onset, but even then, many boys who grow up with the syndrome do not look THAT feminine. They have less facial hair, slightly wider hips, and some breast development, but they still look relatively male. I personally understand how the pressure that society places on you to NOT transition, to be "normal" and attempt to accept your body and circumstances can entice you to tell "white lies". If one can concoct a scientifically plausible story to justify transition and take the responsibility off their shoulders, it'd be fairly seductive to do so. I just hate to think that her story is worrying little boys with KF (or their parents), who might think they're going to have womanhood forced on them in adulthood if they get in an accident. Lies have a way of doing collateral damage...
WOW, that was it, I had a huge wasp nest in my loft about 17 years ago and I decided to get rid of it by getting a long broom handle and standing in the loft opening on the ladder smash the nest. You can guess what happened, the wasps went crazy they were even spitting venom out their stings dancing on the rafters, they were mad, I also got stung several times around the neck and arms even though I had put plenty of layers of clothing on.
Was a silly thing to do but I couldn't afford to get someone in to deal with it. They didn't come back though but it did give me gender dysphoria and boobs, lol, na, only joking.
WOW now I have an excuse. It was the wasps way back then.
Stardust
QuoteI just hate to think that her story is worrying little boys with KF (or their parents), who might think they're going to have womanhood forced on them in adulthood if they get in an accident. Lies have a way of doing collateral damage...
I agree.
A friend's sister is living with a guy who has Klinefelter syndrome and he does not have any intentions of transitioning or feel he is really a woman.
People making up stories.... again. Urgh!
I don't really know what to make of this story. I know bee stings and spider bites can sometimes trigger someone's nervous system to kick back into gear--there was an article about a man who was paralyzed and was bitten by a spider and the venom triggered everything to react and he's now walking again and I'm fairly certain the story wasn't a hoax (and my dad would tell me, because of my nerve damage, that I should go get bitten by a spider to see if it would work for me, too...as if I would do that, spiders scare the hell out of me). Anyway, enough with the rant. I don't really think this is possible, but it would be kind of neat if it was.
I saw this a while back and from my recollection she got stung by a bee then went to the doctor where they then tested her and found she had xxy chromosomes. Personally I am a bit skeptical of that diagnosis. How on earth could getting stung by a bee cause you to get your chromosomes tested? Of course we will never know because we won't see medical records but who knows. If in fact she isn't xxy and using that as an excuse to justify her transsexuality then that is a problem. It is a cop out (if it isn't true). We may never know.
Quote from: Julie Marie on July 25, 2009, 07:33:46 PM
There's more about this in this thread:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,62627.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,62627.0.html)
Tried that link and it didn't work. Is this the one? https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=62707.0 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=62707.0)
Quote from: Dana Lane on October 03, 2010, 09:09:39 PMHow on earth could getting stung by a bee cause you to get your chromosomes tested?
Depends on the effects the bee sting has...
The scientist in David Cronenberg's "The Fly" also checked his chromosomes after getting genetically mixed up with a fly. ;)
Come to think of it, I think I was stung by a bee once or twice too ;D
Anyway, I too have Klinefelters. I read somewhere that there is a large percent of people with Klinefelters who are transgendered, but I can't find where I read it and I don't think it was an official survey. Would be interesting to see one. It would make sense since the brain still develops many years after birth and people with Klinefelters usually have very low or next to no T, but I think its pretty treatable with T, unless the person is transgendered and then that just messes up things!
I got two bee stings at start of puberty, right where my nipples are. It just grew a lot and then never healed. :( ;D
People can have strange allergies sometimes. I don't suppose it's outside the realm of possibility that someone's endrocrine system could become completely disrupted by even a small amount of toxin. But on a scale of likely to unlikely, such an event would fall into the "ridiculously unlikely to happen" range.
All in all, I would hazard to guess that Googling "bee sting breast enlargement" is probably not going to help you improve your life in any significant way.
As someone who has just finished 5 years of anti-allergy treatment for bee-sting, I am very sceptical of this story.
The last time I was stung and had an allergic reaction it certainly wasn't anything remotely like this.
I just started to come up in a lumpy rash, felt very ill and got to hospital before anaphylactic shock became a real danger. The treatment was an anti-histamine drip which took 3 days to get over itself as it produced continual muscle spasms.
While I was a bit critical of her when I first read this, ::) I find myself feeling a bit less so today. In fact, I really don't fault her for making this up (if in fact that's what she did - which is highly likely.) The price we pay for being ourselves is often very steep. If she thought she was going to lose her kids, her family, her friends, her job and end up divorced, unemployed and penniless, I can understand "putting a spin" on her transition. People, fueled by a high degree of selfishness, can be very cruel when you stop giving them what they want.
So you make up a harmless story and hope the people around you buy it. And while the skeptical are trying to figure out if you are telling the truth, they stay in your life, hopefully long enough to realize your transition is something you had to do, it has no reflection on them and you are still pretty much the same person, just a lot happier.
Granted, this girl has some big cojones. She went on national TV with it. But nowhere in the program did I see the reporter question her story, which may have made it easier to sell to any skeptical family or friends. That's brilliant.
I have yet to see anyone top this, that is tell a whopper and get away with it. Maybe we should exercise our own brilliance and see if we can tell a better fish story than this. Any takers?
And, to add to what Julie said - perhaps this story started out as just a small fabrication to cover up self medicating, and from there grew and grew to the point that she lost control of it. At that point she would either have to admit that she had not been telling the truth all along, or she could simply just roll with it. After all, who is going to go to the trouble to prove she's wrong?
However she got there - i'm glad that shes apparently happy with her life now.
It wasn't a harmless lie. She was telling the entire world that she is a real woman unlike all of those transsexual freaks.
Well I woke up one morning and I looked like this, don't know what happened, it must have been an allergic reaction to those magic beans I had on toast, lol.
Stardust
I know this is an old thread, but I am posting the following clip anyways, as Chloe, the woman that are topic for the discussion, in the clip describes exactly how it all happened regarding the sting. Family Secrets - (2/6) When Dad Becomes Mom - The Chloe Prince Story - ABC Primetime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiCshrdWj3Y#)
Yes an old story.
I know Chloe, know her well. She was the first "girl" my wife and I knew, she used to live 20 miles away from me. Fact is, I am supposed to have lunch with her Wednesday while I am in Philly. I have heard the criticism of her bee sting claims going back to when the show aired. Plausable, maybe, maybe not. not sure, but is that what the public should take away from the show? HECK NO.
as for us here, isn't there enough cannibalism in our community already? Do we need to seek out reasons to hurt one another?
Reading thru some of these comments and knowing Chloe I was a bit offended by the tone of some here. Those familiar with her know she built Pink Essence from a tiny NE Ohio TG yahoo group into a NING site with 3500 members with a global reach. She has been there for many girls, traveling to Thailand several times to aid with recoveries. She was recently recalled to her job with the telecommunication company but turned them down to work with Dr Rumer in Philly.
Sure you could say all sorts of things if you want to be jealous or negative... maybe she is a bit too self promoting, maybe she was wrong to put her kids on that show, maybe she was wrong to include an old flame in the production while she was still with her wife, maybe you can say she was selfish for putting her GCS ahead of her family, maybe the bee sting story is a stretch, but you have to admit Chloe is an advocate for all of us, she quietly helps girls ever day without fan fair, she tries to project a positive image for our community to counter all the negative stereotypes. She could have gone stealth years ago and lived her life as a beautiful lady but she has purposely lived her life under a public microscope.
of course, you don't have klinesfelters. I believe the story goes like this. She was riding on her MC, was stung by a bee and had a very strange reaction to the sting. During medical testing on what was going on with Ted, at the time, they discovered that he had klinefelters. That offered Chloe confirmation that what she had always felt was true, she was really an intersexed female. If Chloe related her own understanding of what happened to her, in a very unscientific manner, on the show and it sounded imperfect or unlikely it is probably more a matter of her not fully understanding what the doctors had told her.
I know exactly two people with klinesfelters and they are both transgendered. for the record the second gal, Michelle, was not stung by the same bee.
Quote from: justmeinoz on October 05, 2010, 06:21:17 AM
As someone who has just finished 5 years of anti-allergy treatment for bee-sting, I am very sceptical of this story.
The last time I was stung and had an allergic reaction it certainly wasn't anything remotely like this.
I just started to come up in a lumpy rash, felt very ill and got to hospital before anaphylactic shock became a real danger. The treatment was an anti-histamine drip which took 3 days to get over itself as it produced continual muscle spasms.
Um, aren't the vast majority of people with non-mosaic Klinefelter's functionally infertile, and only sometimes ameliorated through IVF? It strikes me as very surprising that this isn't even mentioned.
I do not appear to have Klinefelter's and I've been stung several times by wasps, fire ants and bees. Albeit that there still are mysteries around the venom of these creatures, I don't think so in this case. Chloe did not seem to have the external symptoms of Klinefelter's in the before shots. She was also fertile. But there are some cases of Klinefelter's and even one with Turner's syndrome (female with only one X chromosome) that are fertile.
Resetting of the endocrine system? I don't think so. In my case the change in my endocrine system from the HRT seems to be doing a set-reset of other things in my body. There are certain things that were turned on in my head that was never there before. A lot of those things are too personal to mention in this forum. These things coming out have over this past year spurred a certain kind of rage inside with these questions: Why weren't these things turned on about age 18 when these were supposed to? Why did I had to wait until I was 58? 40 years gone?
Joelene
it reads like a perfectly acceptable TS account to me.
regarding the extreme effects of the medications we have to remember that some people have bodies that die from just the tiniest speck or drop of peanut so if some constitutuent in half a peanut can shock the body to make it stop working then there is every likelyhood that the bee sting shots could do the same.
most medication carries all sorts of warnings of side effects too.
Quote from: Renate on July 20, 2009, 08:58:22 PM
There is a program on ABC about someone who transitioned to female.
Although they had Klinefelter Syndrome, the event that "reset their endocrine system" was a bee sting.
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/MindMoodNews/story?id=7994521&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/MindMoodNews/story?id=7994521&page=1)
Um, does this sound like fantasy or what?
Most people have to take thousands of pills to get the desired results.
Is this simply denying personal responsibility?
Was the bee personally responsible for the subsequent SRS?
Enquiring minds want to know!
It is not a fantasy. I know Chloe personally.
If you watch the entire ABC special, you will know that a bee sting did not change her nor rapidly increased her progress.
She is allergic to bees. She was sent to the hospital where her doctors noticed that she has Klinefelter syndrome as a result of viewing her lab results.
This confirmed in her heart that over 20 years of constant confliction that she was not of the correct gender. It was the lab results that gave her the turning point to go forward with her transition.
From this point, she consulted a gender therapist, went through the WPATH process, sought out HRT through an endocrinologist and then received SRS and FFS two years later at Dr. Supporn's office.
Watch the ABC special. It will answer your questions.
EDIT:
I did not know this was a thread resurrection. And after reading this entire thread, I am shocked and offended that so many of you quickly became so judgmental over a girl you do not know without looking into the story for yourselves.
I discovered I was intersex when I was twelve years old when my parents confided in me over some puberty issues I was experiencing. Will you all scorn me because it was through a medical encounter where I thought I had appendicitis that confirmed my beliefs that I am actually a girl?
The backstabbing here can be legendary.
Quote from: Wonderdyke on December 06, 2011, 09:38:48 PM
Um, aren't the vast majority of people with non-mosaic Klinefelter's functionally infertile, and only sometimes ameliorated through IVF? It strikes me as very surprising that this isn't even mentioned.
I have three children. I have klinefelters and some other intersex related issues that I will never disclose here. Am I to be doubted?
You all should really look into the story before casting judgement on her. Transgender people can be the most vocal people when people cast judgement on them and or feel when they have been unfairly treated and yet the transgender community can be the most venomous against their own kind.
Chloe had nothing to gain putting out her story. I spoke with her long before it aired and her intentions were good. I would rather look at the overall "Chloe picture", give her the enormous credit she earned and give her the benefit of doubt.
We are all different, just because something effects you a certain way doesn't mean it will affect ANYONE else the same. My second wife had Turner's and was infertilite, she was also 4'7 and had several deformaties. Knowing her intimately, I suspect she was one of a kind. Turners and klinesfelters manafest themselves differently in most cases.
Kewl, annah. I should be seeing Chloe soon, she is working in Dr Rumer's offices in philly and I an helping with an GCS recovery with Dr leis ( same offices). We may do lunch if our schedules mesh.
Quote from: Annah on December 07, 2011, 02:33:25 AM
It is not a fantasy. I know Chloe personally.
If you watch the entire ABC special, you will know that a bee sting did not change her nor rapidly increased her progress.
She is allergic to bees. She was sent to the hospital where her doctors noticed that she has Klinefelter syndrome as a result of viewing her lab results.
This confirmed in her heart that over 20 years of constant confliction that she was not of the correct gender. It was the lab results that gave her the turning point to go forward with her transition.
From this point, she consulted a gender therapist, went through the WPATH process, sought out HRT through an endocrinologist and then received SRS and FFS two years later at Dr. Supporn's office.
Watch the ABC special. It will answer your questions.
EDIT:
I did not know this was a thread resurrection. And after reading this entire thread, I am shocked and offended that so many of you quickly became so judgmental over a girl you do not know without looking into the story for yourselves.
I discovered I was intersex when I was twelve years old when my parents confided in me over some puberty issues I was experiencing. Will you all scorn me because it was through a medical encounter where I thought I had appendicitis that confirmed my beliefs that I am actually a girl?
The backstabbing here can be legendary.
Quote from: Annah on December 07, 2011, 02:43:05 AM
I have three children. I have klinefelters and some other intersex related issues that I will never disclose here. Am I to be doubted?
You all should really look into the story before casting judgement on her. Transgender people can be the most vocal people when people cast judgement on them and or feel when they have been unfairly treated and yet the transgender community can be the most venomous against their own kind.
Cool.
I wasn't doubting her story or casting any judgment on the lady. She seems pretty cool. I'm just saying that it's surprising, and uncommon.
Quote from: Wonderdyke on December 08, 2011, 12:49:56 PM
Cool.
I wasn't doubting her story or casting any judgment on the lady. She seems pretty cool. I'm just saying that it's surprising, and uncommon.
Same here.
Joelene