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Title: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: Anatta on July 08, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
Post by: Anatta on July 08, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
Kia Ora,
::) I had to smile when I watched this...
http://www.good.is/post/intermission-richard-dawkins-reads-his-hate-mail/ (http://www.good.is/post/intermission-richard-dawkins-reads-his-hate-mail/)
WARNING... IT CONTAINS FOUL LANGUAGE
"Hypocrisy it would seem is the homage that vice >:-) pays to virtue :angel:!"
Metta Zenda :)
::) I had to smile when I watched this...
http://www.good.is/post/intermission-richard-dawkins-reads-his-hate-mail/ (http://www.good.is/post/intermission-richard-dawkins-reads-his-hate-mail/)
WARNING... IT CONTAINS FOUL LANGUAGE
"Hypocrisy it would seem is the homage that vice >:-) pays to virtue :angel:!"
Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: justmeinoz on July 09, 2011, 04:28:02 AM
Post by: justmeinoz on July 09, 2011, 04:28:02 AM
Personally I think he would get a better hearing if he wasn't so sanctimoniously rude about any opinion other than his own. He comes across as just downright rude.
Karen.
Karen.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: VeryGnawty on July 09, 2011, 05:44:55 AM
Post by: VeryGnawty on July 09, 2011, 05:44:55 AM
Quote from: justmeinoz on July 09, 2011, 04:28:02 AM
Personally I think he would get a better hearing if he wasn't so sanctimoniously rude about any opinion other than his own. He comes across as just downright rude.
Dawkins is quite mild compared to many atheists I've seen. It is actually a very wise tactic. Since believers almost always reject logical arguments in favor of appeals to emotion, it is strategic for atheists to play on people's emotions when discussing religion.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: Anatta on July 09, 2011, 05:03:43 PM
Post by: Anatta on July 09, 2011, 05:03:43 PM
Kia Ora,
::) What I find interesting is the similarities between the "hatred" many religious people feel towards atheists[and towards those of different religions or spiritual beliefs to their own] and how it coincides with their feelings towards trans-people...
Hatred and bigotry is based upon "ignorance" which leads to a very narrow view of the world and it would seem Richard Dawkins was/is just pointing this out...
When it comes to the comments just substitute the word "transgender/transsexual" for "atheist" it's not hard to imagine...
::) I personally find the hate mailers comments absolutely "Religulous" ;) ...
Metta Zenda :)
::) What I find interesting is the similarities between the "hatred" many religious people feel towards atheists[and towards those of different religions or spiritual beliefs to their own] and how it coincides with their feelings towards trans-people...
Hatred and bigotry is based upon "ignorance" which leads to a very narrow view of the world and it would seem Richard Dawkins was/is just pointing this out...
When it comes to the comments just substitute the word "transgender/transsexual" for "atheist" it's not hard to imagine...
::) I personally find the hate mailers comments absolutely "Religulous" ;) ...
Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: Amaranth on September 14, 2011, 01:48:11 AM
Post by: Amaranth on September 14, 2011, 01:48:11 AM
Quote from: VeryGnawty on July 09, 2011, 05:44:55 AM
Dawkins is quite mild compared to many atheists I've seen. It is actually a very wise tactic. Since believers almost always reject logical arguments in favor of appeals to emotion, it is strategic for atheists to play on people's emotions when discussing religion.
True, but isn't the point of arguing with logic fueled by the idea of it being more reliable than appeals to emotion? I personally wouldn't use the same tactic against believers that, when used by them, I call a fallacy.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: VeryGnawty on September 14, 2011, 08:06:02 AM
Post by: VeryGnawty on September 14, 2011, 08:06:02 AM
Quote from: Amaranth on September 14, 2011, 01:48:11 AM
True, but isn't the point of arguing with logic fueled by the idea of it being more reliable than appeals to emotion?
Many believers have an impenetrable shield against logic. If you are going to reach them, you are going to have to pull out some of the dirty weapons.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: Padma on September 14, 2011, 08:17:43 AM
Post by: Padma on September 14, 2011, 08:17:43 AM
People get their sense of security out of a rigid sense of identity - and collectively, out of a sense of in- or out-of-the-tribe. It takes a lot of guts to be uncertain. And a lot of love.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: tekla on September 14, 2011, 01:33:26 PM
Post by: tekla on September 14, 2011, 01:33:26 PM
You can't use logic or reason to change beliefs that were not entered into via logic or reason.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: BunnyBee on September 14, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
Post by: BunnyBee on September 14, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
Set beliefs, like opinions, can't be changed anyway, whether logic got them there or not.
Title: Re: Richard Dawkins and his "hate mail"..
Post by: Amaranth on September 14, 2011, 05:56:19 PM
Post by: Amaranth on September 14, 2011, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: VeryGnawty on September 14, 2011, 08:06:02 AM
Many believers have an impenetrable shield against logic. If you are going to reach them, you are going to have to pull out some of the dirty weapons.
When I argue about atheism and belief, I only present logic. If reaching people with a "logic shield" is what I'm going for, your strategy would be better...but generally, when I realize I'm talking to someone like that, I stop arguing with a "this isn't worth my time" attitude.