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Just Stop, OUT!Wear
Posted by helenboyd – July 13, 2011

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Ugh. An LGBT clothing retailer is selling WBW t-shirts, which stands for "women born women" which is a policy used by spaces that exclude trans women, such as Michigan Women's Festival.

Ugh. How awful. How insensitive, and sh---y, and irresponsible, and yes, I'm going to say it, how TRANSPHOBIC.

don't see the issue...and yes, I *DO* frequent a fair number of 'womyn born womyn' spaces without incident.

I guess this is another case of my not looking to make mountains out of every molehill that might exist out there on the interwebz... 

I didn't see anything in the catalog that appealed to me on the Trans issue, so I would not have even caught the objectionable merchandise.  It does seem a bit like one of those medicine wagon things that will camp near a conflict will sell to any side at a price.  It sells stuff I am not going to buy anyway.

for anyone interested, there is now a petition site, info posted here https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,101892.new.html#new (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,101892.new.html#new)

WBW could mean anything though - indeed, considering the amount of nonsense on clothes, it probably does mean anything. I've decided it is a tshirt for a fat person and says 'Wobbly Bellies Wobble'.

Quote from: Ann Onymous on July 13, 2011, 02:02:29 PM
don't see the issue...and yes, I *DO* frequent a fair number of 'womyn born womyn' spaces without incident.

I guess this is another case of my not looking to make mountains out of every molehill that might exist out there on the interwebz...

There is an old term from the time of blatant racial discrimination: "passing privilege." It meant black people who could "pass" was white people and enter white-only spaces. People who used passing privilege in that way were viewed as traitors to their race by other black people. It was out of that anger over passing privilege that the slogan "black is beautiful" came.

I don't see any difference, in principal, with trans-women who use passing privilege to enter womyn-born-womyn spaces.

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 13, 2011, 03:25:21 PM
WBW could mean anything though - indeed, considering the amount of nonsense on clothes, it probably does mean anything. I've decided it is a tshirt for a fat person and says 'Wobbly Bellies Wobble'.

It is your privilege to choose to not see discrimination.

I can't even find the shirts on their site or Facebook, otherwise I'd criticise them for probably being hideous.

They've taken the shirts off their site now and are deleting threads discussing them on their FB page. PFLAG has already requested they cease selling any PFLAG merchandise, as they refuse to be associated with a store that promotes transphobia.

Press release from PFLAG: https://community.pflag.org/document.doc?id=456

Quote from: Lepidoptera on July 13, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
They've taken the shirts off their site now and are deleting threads discussing them on their FB page. PFLAG has already requested they cease selling any PFLAG merchandise, as they refuse to be associated with a store that promotes transphobia.

This puts the matter in a little different light.  Seems that the PFLAG merchandise was not even properly licensed.  Now which other copyrighted logos are they pirating?? 

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 13, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
It is your privilege to choose to not see discrimination.

Nothing to do with a privilege- just to me, they are three letters with no meaning put next to each other - rather like the letters PFLAG (which bring me to mind of some beach safety system)- if I saw someone walking down the street in that shirt, the letters WBW would tell me absolutely nothing about them.

Pica, it's just that having solved all other problems we've moved on to t-shirts.

What I don't get is, that having looked into more WBW stuff, their crime seems to be saying to TS women the same things that the 'I'm not Ts, I'm a woman' people have been saying to andros and cds and is's.

Quote from: Sarah7 on July 14, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
There is a long and glorious history of each human rights movement stepping on the fingers of the next person down the ladder.

Yes.