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Title: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Alex201 on July 20, 2011, 09:38:41 PM
Post by: Alex201 on July 20, 2011, 09:38:41 PM
I just saw that movie and believe me I cried
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on July 20, 2011, 09:51:57 PM
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on July 20, 2011, 09:51:57 PM
I don't want to see that movie, I'm still not over the one about Gwen Araujo. :'(
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Post by: Lee on July 20, 2011, 10:21:39 PM
Post by: Lee on July 20, 2011, 10:21:39 PM
Yeah, I don't think I could ever watch it.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: spenceroar on July 20, 2011, 11:06:15 PM
Post by: spenceroar on July 20, 2011, 11:06:15 PM
I've watched it many, many times.
There's also a good documentary called "The Brandon Teena Story" - highly reccomended. Although that too will make you cry, as they actually interview Lana and Brandon's Mother, as well as the ->-bleeped-<-s that killed him.
Boys Don't Cry is a very important film, I made my parents watch it. My partner couldn't handle it.
There's also a good documentary called "The Brandon Teena Story" - highly reccomended. Although that too will make you cry, as they actually interview Lana and Brandon's Mother, as well as the ->-bleeped-<-s that killed him.
Boys Don't Cry is a very important film, I made my parents watch it. My partner couldn't handle it.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Josh on July 20, 2011, 11:27:44 PM
Post by: Josh on July 20, 2011, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: spenceroar on July 20, 2011, 11:06:15 PM
I've watched it many, many times.
There's also a good documentary called "The Brandon Teena Story" - highly reccomended. Although that too will make you cry, as they actually interview Lana and Brandon's Mother, as well as the ->-bleeped-<-s that killed him.
Boys Don't Cry is a very important film, I made my parents watch it. My partner couldn't handle it.
Are your parents supportive or?
Really good movie. True life tragedy but of great importance.
Great acting too - Winona Ryder, I think?
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on July 20, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on July 20, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
Hilary Swank.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Josh on July 20, 2011, 11:46:46 PM
Post by: Josh on July 20, 2011, 11:46:46 PM
Goddammit I knew that!! Was too lazy to look it up bc i jus couldnt remember.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: spenceroar on July 21, 2011, 12:36:01 AM
Post by: spenceroar on July 21, 2011, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: Kal(eb) on July 20, 2011, 11:27:44 PM
Are your parents supportive or?
They are now, 6 years down the line. Exceptionally so, after they had a rough adjustment period.
I made them watch it shortly after I had come out to them. Thier response at the time was "Yes, it's sad - but people of all genders and sexualities get murdered. Do you see them making movies about those people?"
I guess they didn't really get it...
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Michael Joseph on July 21, 2011, 01:10:14 AM
Post by: Michael Joseph on July 21, 2011, 01:10:14 AM
ive seen boys dont cry, great movie. i have to make time to see the brandon teena story sometime.
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Post by: Dante on July 21, 2011, 02:24:18 AM
Post by: Dante on July 21, 2011, 02:24:18 AM
I haven't seen it yet, but in my history class next year there's going to be a transgender unit (I signed up to be with my same history teacher next year because I loved him so much, and I was shocked and amazed to find out he does that as a unit), and we'll watch that movie then. My friend who was in that class told me about it, and told me that the movie was quite depressing and sad, but good. I'm a little afraid to see it; I don't want to have horrible memories of it floating around in my brain to mull over, and I'd rather not cry in front of my class.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Devyn on July 21, 2011, 02:39:14 AM
Post by: Devyn on July 21, 2011, 02:39:14 AM
I couldn't finish watching it the first time I attempted to. It took me a few times before I could watch through the entire movie. It scared the ->-bleeped-<- out of me.
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Post by: Silas on July 21, 2011, 06:58:10 AM
Post by: Silas on July 21, 2011, 06:58:10 AM
Haven't seen it -- I did see the one about Gwen Araujo, I'm still not over it, either. I first saw it back when I was 5. Prayers for Bobby was upsetting, too. I really wanted to hug him the entire movie.
I did see this other one about this kid named Sam, he raced cars. He got sent to this hospital with a bunch of other FTMs where they were force-fed stereotypical women's roles... I can't remember what it was called. Ringing a bell to anyone?
I did see this other one about this kid named Sam, he raced cars. He got sent to this hospital with a bunch of other FTMs where they were force-fed stereotypical women's roles... I can't remember what it was called. Ringing a bell to anyone?
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Post by: MaxAloysius on July 21, 2011, 07:12:43 AM
Post by: MaxAloysius on July 21, 2011, 07:12:43 AM
I know what it's about, and I really don't want to see it. I don't like to think about all of the scary stuff that could happen to us, I've been actively avoiding it. T.T
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Post by: Natkat on July 21, 2011, 08:15:41 AM
Post by: Natkat on July 21, 2011, 08:15:41 AM
I watched it exept from the end.
I didnt cry but I had a very bad felling, I stoped in the raping scene and readed that he died,
and it where the second time I had seen a transgender people die, in something based on a real story.
so I felt like someone where pointing out "this what could happent to you"
brrrr :embarrassed:
I didnt cry but I had a very bad felling, I stoped in the raping scene and readed that he died,
and it where the second time I had seen a transgender people die, in something based on a real story.
so I felt like someone where pointing out "this what could happent to you"
brrrr :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Nygeel on July 21, 2011, 08:19:02 AM
Post by: Nygeel on July 21, 2011, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: Silas on July 21, 2011, 06:58:10 AMThis kind of sounds like "The Last Time I Wrore A Dress" which is a book.
Haven't seen it -- I did see the one about Gwen Araujo, I'm still not over it, either. I first saw it back when I was 5. Prayers for Bobby was upsetting, too. I really wanted to hug him the entire movie.
I did see this other one about this kid named Sam, he raced cars. He got sent to this hospital with a bunch of other FTMs where they were force-fed stereotypical women's roles... I can't remember what it was called. Ringing a bell to anyone?
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Wolf on July 21, 2011, 10:38:48 AM
Post by: Wolf on July 21, 2011, 10:38:48 AM
I watched it a few days ago too. j _ j for me I think the saddest film I have ever watched because obviously I connected more with Brandon than any other character in a movie so far. It really affected me.
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Post by: Kerberos on July 21, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
Post by: Kerberos on July 21, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
Watched it way back when it was in the theaters, can't bear to watch it again. Very difficult true story to watch and experience, very sad.
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Post by: bojangles on July 21, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
Post by: bojangles on July 21, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
I made myself watch it, but kinda wish I hadn't. Even though I knew what happened, a couple of the scenes were haunting.
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Post by: yarblockos on July 21, 2011, 12:06:26 PM
Post by: yarblockos on July 21, 2011, 12:06:26 PM
Never watched it. I kind of can't bring myself to, as dumb as that probably sounds.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Adio on July 21, 2011, 12:14:56 PM
Post by: Adio on July 21, 2011, 12:14:56 PM
Never watched it. Probably will never watch it.
I already know what happened and I can't subject myself to seeing it voluntarily. I think it would probably be damaging to my mental health.
I already know what happened and I can't subject myself to seeing it voluntarily. I think it would probably be damaging to my mental health.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: tekla on July 21, 2011, 12:26:28 PM
Post by: tekla on July 21, 2011, 12:26:28 PM
Just remember, Hollywood never let the facts get in the way of the movie they were making.
"The Brandon Teena Story" is a much closer and more authentic telling of the story.
"The Brandon Teena Story" is a much closer and more authentic telling of the story.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Silas on July 21, 2011, 12:50:54 PM
Post by: Silas on July 21, 2011, 12:50:54 PM
Quote from: Nygeel on July 21, 2011, 08:19:02 AM
This kind of sounds like "The Last Time I Wrore A Dress" which is a book.
Nah, that's not it. Looking it up, it sounds like a frightening experience, though.
Makes me wonder why people were ever committed to hospitals like that for GID or simple butchness/effeminacy. So weird and sexist.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Squirrel698 on July 21, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
Post by: Squirrel698 on July 21, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
I did see it once all the way through. That was before I decided to transition and it had a major affect on me.
I've seen it a few times since than about halfway through. Right before it goes south for Brandon I stop watching.
:'(
I've seen it a few times since than about halfway through. Right before it goes south for Brandon I stop watching.
:'(
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Darrin Scott on July 21, 2011, 06:55:15 PM
Post by: Darrin Scott on July 21, 2011, 06:55:15 PM
I have not seen this movie, but have read about it. It's stories like these that make me terrified to transition.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: tekla on July 21, 2011, 08:30:04 PM
Post by: tekla on July 21, 2011, 08:30:04 PM
And how many stories like that are there? Exactly one. Avoid tying to pull that off in rural Nebraska in the early 90's with a bunch of two-time felons as running buddies and meth everywhere and you should be OK.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Darrin Scott on July 21, 2011, 08:32:59 PM
Post by: Darrin Scott on July 21, 2011, 08:32:59 PM
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2011, 08:30:04 PM
And how many stories like that are there? Exactly one. Avoid tying to pull that off in rural Nebraska in the early 90's with a bunch of two-time felons as running buddies and meth everywhere and you should be OK.
Thanks......
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: tekla on July 21, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
Post by: tekla on July 21, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
It's the only FtM murder on the books anyone can find. I would not make too much of it. It's not likely to be repeated.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Darrin Scott on July 21, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
Post by: Darrin Scott on July 21, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
Oh I see. Ok.
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Post by: hwytoaster on July 21, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: hwytoaster on July 21, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
I saw that movie long before I had a clue what it was really about. I thought it was awesome in that that's what I wanted to do was be seen as a guy. Weird how I didn't think I had that choice or option though.
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Post by: Darth_Taco on July 22, 2011, 02:26:25 AM
Post by: Darth_Taco on July 22, 2011, 02:26:25 AM
I watched it on Netflix a few months ago. Pissed me off that they listed it under "Lesbian Romance" I haven't bothered to check to see if they changed it. Lemme check...Oh holy crap. I can't even find it on "Gay & Lesbian" anymore. Nice to see they changed it around. By the way, it's on instant stream. Anyway, bawled my eyes out. I'm gonna see if my boyfriend wants to watch it. He's really scared to because it immediately makes him think of me and whatever possible murder I'm facing. The poor bastard, he'd need cuddles before, during, and after.
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Post by: rexyrex on July 22, 2011, 07:45:27 AM
Post by: rexyrex on July 22, 2011, 07:45:27 AM
I seen it and cryed too :( but it sad about the grave they put on she instead of he on the gravestone not sure if u know about that.
Also i think the reason he got killed as he was hanging around the wrong crowed and should have been more careful, it is a sad story and is happy that his gf accepted him.
Also i think the reason he got killed as he was hanging around the wrong crowed and should have been more careful, it is a sad story and is happy that his gf accepted him.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: bojangles on July 22, 2011, 12:53:17 PM
Post by: bojangles on July 22, 2011, 12:53:17 PM
QuoteIt's the only FtM murder on the books anyone can find.
What about Emmon Bodfish?
http://gender-org.armadillodesigngroup.com/remember/people/emmonbodfish.html (http://gender-org.armadillodesigngroup.com/remember/people/emmonbodfish.html)
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Post by: Jav on July 22, 2011, 12:58:13 PM
Post by: Jav on July 22, 2011, 12:58:13 PM
watched the two thirds of the movie in manila, philippines back in early 2000, cried my eyes out... then again tried to watch it in 2001 or 2002, i think, again, cried my eyes out. but of course, that was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before T. am finding that i'm less easier to shed tears these days, post-T. i did cry this week to my therapist though, about something that's going on with my personal life that was really painful.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: LordKAT on July 22, 2011, 01:13:29 PM
Post by: LordKAT on July 22, 2011, 01:13:29 PM
Crying makes no sense. Anger I could understand. I felt neither.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Jav on July 22, 2011, 01:15:56 PM
Post by: Jav on July 22, 2011, 01:15:56 PM
crying because one may have experienced a much similar incident that brandon did, @LordKAT, with the only difference that one was left alive.
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Post by: James42 on July 22, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Post by: James42 on July 22, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
I watched it a couple times, I didn't cry but it left me with a sad feeling for Brandon. But at the same time, the movie (although its based on the Brandon Teena story) doesn't really highlight the fact that he was transgender and not just a girl dressing as a boy to hook up with other girls as the movie kind of makes him look like and what people who don't understand ->-bleeped-<- probably see it as, so I was kinda disappointed at that.
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Post by: Adio on July 22, 2011, 02:57:34 PM
Post by: Adio on July 22, 2011, 02:57:34 PM
Watched it last night out of curiosity. I was prepared to stop the movie and call if a friend if I had to.
But to be honest...I didn't cry or feel much of anything toward the movie. Except for extreme boredom for the first hour. I was a little upset at the end during the murder scene. But the rape scene..nothing. It probably didn't help that the one guy was jumping up and down, yelling excitedly.
I didn't care for the movie itself either. Hilary Swank is great, but I just wasn't that impressed otherwise. I actually didn't find Brandon's character likable at all. No one deserves to be raped or murdered. But Brandon just wasn't genuine and I couldn't relate to the situation.
But to be honest...I didn't cry or feel much of anything toward the movie. Except for extreme boredom for the first hour. I was a little upset at the end during the murder scene. But the rape scene..nothing. It probably didn't help that the one guy was jumping up and down, yelling excitedly.
I didn't care for the movie itself either. Hilary Swank is great, but I just wasn't that impressed otherwise. I actually didn't find Brandon's character likable at all. No one deserves to be raped or murdered. But Brandon just wasn't genuine and I couldn't relate to the situation.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 02:16:45 AM
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 02:16:45 AM
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
It's the only FtM murder on the books anyone can find. I would not make too much of it. It's not likely to be repeated.
I have to call BS on that one, but due to personal experience. I grew up in Nebraska, I have been to both Falls City and Humboldt. I have been chased out of Humboldt by people who wanted to kill me soooooo, I disagree. It is likely to be repeated. And honestly the entire situation was absolutely crazy and made no sense when it happened to me. I flat out knew NOBODY and had done NOTHING.
My two best friends and I were going camping at a lake to the west of Humboldt called Kirkman's Cove right after graduation our senior year of high school. I had been taken there many times in the past by a friend who lived in Auburn, Nebraska (which is about 20 minutes away, and where I spent pretty much every weekend of two years and both summers with my friend and her family) but I had never actually been in Humboldt itself, always just drove by to the lake. It got dark while we were out driving around and we couldn't find the turn back to the lake so we stopped at a bar right off the highway to ask directions since it was about 11 pm and nothing else was open (I ->-bleeped-<- you not there is not so much as a gas station open that late within like 50 freaking miles or more).
I walk in looking like nothing more than either a small lesbian or a 13 year old boy behind my two friends (seriously how they got away with being different and not almost getting killed in comparison to how looked I do not know). One of my friends is a very obviously female girl with a very obviously butch lesbian appearance (we are talking DD cups with a hair cut that looked like one of the lollipop guild ;p) and my gay male friend all gothed out in Hot Topic attire, glitter, and painted nails. I was literally wearing jeans and a white tshirt and was binding at the time... so I may never understand WHY I was picked out of that group lol. I only describe what we looked like because it makes it all so much ->-bleeped-<-ing crazier what happened.
They walked in a few feet ahead of me and went straight up to the bar to ask directions. The second I walked about 4 feet through the door an older woman sitting at a table with a few guys pointed right at me and simple said, "We should take that one out and shoot it." I just walked by, got to my friends and told them we needed to leave. They basically told me to stop acting weird until they turned around and saw the entire freaking bar just staring at me. So we all kind of just shuffled our way to the door and hopped in the car and took off down the high way to the lake.
A bit after closing time for bars they did come to the lake looking for us, shot guns in hand and everything. A whole freaking posse of rednecks came to hunt me. It was ->-bleeped-<-ing great. Thank God for 4 wheel drive, off road driving, creative driving (made our own exit through a pasture since there is only ONE road in and out) and enough gas to not stop till we made it back to Omaha. If all of those things did not exist I would not be alive today.
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Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 02:19:16 AM
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 02:19:16 AM
Welcome to Nebraska lol.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Lee on July 23, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
Post by: Lee on July 23, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
Quote from: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 02:19:16 AMHoly cow... Yeah, I'm going to stay in my 25 square miles surrounded by reality. Here's hoping you don't have to deal with people like that in Omaha.
Welcome to Nebraska lol.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 06:36:50 AM
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 06:36:50 AM
The cities like Lincoln and Omaha are pretty cool. For the most part people are open minded but often only to an extent in Omaha. Lincoln is like college town hippie liberal kids lol. Omaha is like, "Wow I have gay friends, wow I have trans friends, I am SO open minded. Oh you want rights? But that's against my christian republican values.... but you're a great friend."
It's just weird.
For every completely open minded person you DO meet you meet at least one ->-bleeped-<- who is completely closed minded.
I also get a lot of people who are excited to meet me because I'm trans and we are apparently like Santa, mysterious and magical. You'd think candied rainbow unicorns fall out of my ass when I walk or something.
Small towns are hit and miss, some just don't care if you are anything different so long as you don't talk about it. Very much the idea of what you do in your own home is okay, just don't force it on other people. Then some small towns you walk in and get chased out lol.
It's just weird.
For every completely open minded person you DO meet you meet at least one ->-bleeped-<- who is completely closed minded.
I also get a lot of people who are excited to meet me because I'm trans and we are apparently like Santa, mysterious and magical. You'd think candied rainbow unicorns fall out of my ass when I walk or something.
Small towns are hit and miss, some just don't care if you are anything different so long as you don't talk about it. Very much the idea of what you do in your own home is okay, just don't force it on other people. Then some small towns you walk in and get chased out lol.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 06:44:27 AM
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 06:44:27 AM
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
It's the only FtM murder on the books anyone can find. I would not make too much of it. It's not likely to be repeated.
Also, on a general note, where the heck do you get these facts? It is FAR from the only FTM murder on books. In fact it isn't even considered by many people to be an FTM murder outside of the transsexual community because Brandon never actually voiced to anyone that he was in fact trans. Some people felt that he was merely trying to pose as a boy because he was a lesbian and was hiding from the law. Without Brandon alive we will never really have an answer, we just assume we have one. I've actually met people who grew up with him in Lincoln and they have all said that they DO believe he was trans, but he never once really voiced to them that he actually believed he was a man and not just that he was having fun passing as one.
Regardless of that fact though, this generalization that it's the only one on books is just incorrect anyhow.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Squirrel698 on July 23, 2011, 11:30:48 AM
Post by: Squirrel698 on July 23, 2011, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 02:16:45 AM
A bit after closing time for bars they did come to the lake looking for us, shot guns in hand and everything. A whole freaking posse of rednecks came to hunt me. It was ->-bleeped-<-ing great. Thank God for 4 wheel drive, off road driving, creative driving (made our own exit through a pasture since there is only ONE road in and out) and enough gas to not stop till we made it back to Omaha. If all of those things did not exist I would not be alive today.
Holy ->-bleeped-<-! I'm glad you made it through. That's an amazing story you have there.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Hikari on July 23, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
Post by: Hikari on July 23, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
Yeah, that movie made me cry big time.... It is hard to watch, my feelings on it are a bit ambivalent though; on one hand it is almost a cautionary tale of what happens when you try and change your outside to match your inside, and on the other hand it raises awareness that people like Brandon Teena exist, and they need to be protected by the law. The way law enforcement handled things in his story was terrible.
That and, I know a few people who never even knew FTMs existed before that movie.
That and, I know a few people who never even knew FTMs existed before that movie.
Title: Re: Boys don't cry?
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 10:53:50 PM
Post by: Cowboi on July 23, 2011, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: Hikari on July 23, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
Yeah, that movie made me cry big time.... It is hard to watch, my feelings on it are a bit ambivalent though; on one hand it is almost a cautionary tale of what happens when you try and change your outside to match your inside, and on the other hand it raises awareness that people like Brandon Teena exist, and they need to be protected by the law. The way law enforcement handled things in his story was terrible.
That and, I know a few people who never even knew FTMs existed before that movie.
Sometimes this site just needs a "Like" button.