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Just wondering how many T-guys actually get SRS...

Sorry should've worded that better. What I mean is do you plan to get bottom surgery with todays technology.

Yes. In both removing female parts, and creating and/or using what I have to make a more male appearance. I rather have something that, while not as good as the real thing, is not what I have right now. Who knows where the surgries will be in 5+ years, too, so, I'm hoping for the best.

No. I'm sure I'll be happy with whatever growth I get.

I'd love to but I don't see being able to afford it since I really can't afford even top surgery.

As long as bottom surgery keeps looking as horrible as it does, I have no plans for it.  I don't care for the fake stuff either, but at least it works for what I want it to and I can still have full feeling down there without nerve damage or any other complications that can result from surgery.  My g/f is not unhappy and very supportive, so I figure why bother?  By the time they get something that works and looks right, I doubt I will be young enough to care or want to waste the money.   As it stands now, I got lucky with top surgery so I know I won't be able to afford bottom unless things change in my life.

I don't think the options for bottom surgery are too bad. I'm just comfortable with what I've got.

Quote from: Jigsaw on August 21, 2011, 06:29:40 PM
As long as bottom surgery keeps looking as horrible as it does

Can you just not?  There are guys here who have had bottom surgery and you are basically criticizing and shaming their surgery choices.  You are entitled to you opinion but can you keep such negative things to yourself?  You could just as easily have said something neutral and non-inflammatory as "The results aren't up to my standards for myself."

and FWIW I've seen some amazing surgery results.  I don't really want it for myself (at this point) but more power to guys who do want it and go for it. 

Quote from: Andy8715 on August 21, 2011, 06:38:00 PM
Can you just not?  There are guys here who have had bottom surgery and you are basically criticizing and shaming their surgery choices.  You are entitled to you opinion but can you keep such negative things to yourself?  You could just as easily have said something neutral and non-inflammatory as "The results aren't up to my standards for myself."

and FWIW I've seen some amazing surgery results.  I don't really want it for myself (at this point) but more power to guys who do want it and go for it.

This.

Answering the OP's question, if I had the money, I would get bottom surgery. However, seeing as I'm 16 and haven't done HRT or top surgery, I don't see me getting it done for a long, long time.

Quote from: Jigsaw on August 21, 2011, 06:29:40 PM
As long as bottom surgery keeps looking as horrible as it does, I have no plans for it.  I don't care for the fake stuff either, but at least it works for what I want it to and I can still have full feeling down there without nerve damage or any other complications that can result from surgery.  My g/f is not unhappy and very supportive, so I figure why bother?  By the time they get something that works and looks right, I doubt I will be young enough to care or want to waste the money.   As it stands now, I got lucky with top surgery so I know I won't be able to afford bottom unless things change in my life.

Hi Jigsaw,

I hear what you're saying but got to agree with Andy. We do have guys here who have undergone meta and phallo and are happy with their results. And there are good results out there.
Remember that there are guys for whom bottom surgery is not optional regardless of what they end up with. When speaking of surgical results, these are peoples' genitals we're talking about, so a little sensitivity goes a long way. And I'm not speaking just or specifically to you, Jigsaw, but we have guys here hesitant to share info about their surgeries and outcomes because of these types of comments. Again, this has been going on way before this, so not speaking specifically to you but to everybody.

I'm planning not to. At least, not for several decades. Although FtM bottom surgery has improved a lot, it's still just not the same for me. I'm thinking that over the next 50 years or so, as transsexuality is better known and more time has been spent improving various methods, it may become something I'll want to save up for. If that happens, I'll want to do it before I die, but for now, I know I wouldn't be happy with the results, and I can't afford it anyway. I'll just have to settle for whatever growth I get from T.  :)

Quote from: Forum Admin on August 21, 2011, 07:13:21 PM
Hi Jigsaw,

I hear what you're saying but got to agree with Andy. We do have guys here who have undergone meta and phallo and are happy with their results. And there are good results out there.
Remember that there are guys for whom bottom surgery is not optional regardless of what they end up with. When speaking of surgical results, these are peoples' genitals we're talking about, so a little sensitivity goes a long way. And I'm not speaking just or specifically to you, Jigsaw, but we have guys here hesitant to share info about their surgeries and outcomes because of these types of comments. Again, this has been going on way before this, so not speaking specifically to you but to everybody.

I am sorry if my opinion is offensive to anybody out there.  It was not meant to offend anybody, I was just giving my personal view on it.  I have not seen every surgery out there and I am sure there are some that look good, just as there are some that look bad.  Everybody is different and everybody's views will be different.  I was answering the OP with my opinion that is all, which I thought would be seen as such.   If somebody is happy with their surgery, appearance, or whatever in life that then I am happy for them.  I wish I saw more positive images.  So again, sorry if I offended anybody, just stating how I felt personally based of what I have seen on the internet.

I don't plan on it, it's not something I feel I will ever need. Of course there may be times I wished could have one but i'm really okay with whats there.

I plan on getting a meta with a hook up and implants. Plus getting all the extra junk removed.

Yes but I haven't decided which surgery I want just yet (meta or phallo) and who knows what sort of progress they will have made by the time I have the coin together. But I don't care how many jobs I might need to work in my 'spare time' or what age I am when I eventually have the cash for the surgery - I will have it because for personal reasons, I'm one of the guys that needs to do it.

For me, I will not feel complete or at peace with myself until I have my own, flesh and blood, frank and beans. One just needs to be realistic about the results that are possible. And while I know that having a penis doesn't make me a man, at the same time the thing I have felt missing my entire life is just that - my penis, and while T is making the little fella more into what he should have been all along, he needs to be free - all the extra stuff around him needs to go.. I only hope I have the balls (pun fully intended) to post my story and results to help persons making similar decisions in the future.

You can still get a phallo after getting a meta.

If I can afford it, yes.

I have seen really good results lately from doctors overseas in Siberia? I think? If I hadn't seen those pictures I would still have a really negative opinion of it but I think the surgeries have improved over the years.

If I had the time and the money for it, plus the money to make up for the loss of work for each stage of the surgery I would consider it, perhaps.

I think it's Serbia.

I've heard of people going to Slovakia.

 Where are these Serbia pictures?

I plan to at some point. I got top surgery only because my late uncle paid for it as a birthday present a number of years back. I'm working on trying to save up for it. I'm hoping that a few more years on T will even further increase my growth making results much better. I'm hoping they continue improving techniques for once I can finally afford it.

Sharky - google perovic in serbia, there are also surgeons in Germany and other parts of the UK, even some good results in the US and Canada.. If you want the goods join yahoo groups - ftmmetoidioplasty, ftmphalloplastyinfo, ftmsurgeryinfo, The deciding line, mycenturionsurgery - all a wealth of knowledge, some great discussions on decisions, results and function and some awesome pics of results you wouldn't blink at mate...

I plan on a meta with the urethral hook-up (I believe it's called), but I'm getting top surgery first. I'm debating prosthetic balls, I'm not sure whether I'd want them or not. They'd be for more of a locker room sort of thing/sexual amusement. I don't want the hole sealed or removed or what-have-you, though. It doesn't bother me and it has its benefits (for me.)

I don't think the surgeries look all that bad, really. Small, in a lot of cases, but not terrible. Maybe I'm easy to please.

Quote from: Aussie Jay on August 21, 2011, 10:54:22 PM
Sharky - google perovic in serbia, there are also surgeons in Germany and other parts of the UK, even some good results in the US and Canada.. If you want the goods join yahoo groups - ftmmetoidioplasty, ftmphalloplastyinfo, ftmsurgeryinfo, The deciding line, mycenturionsurgery - all a wealth of knowledge, some great discussions on decisions, results and function and some awesome pics of results you wouldn't blink at mate...

Perfect! Just the info I was looking for in another thread I started.

Quote from: Silas on August 21, 2011, 11:04:14 PM
I plan on a meta with the urethral hook-up (I believe it's called), but I'm getting top surgery first. I'm debating prosthetic balls, I'm not sure whether I'd want them or not. They'd be for more of a locker room sort of thing/sexual amusement. I don't want the hole sealed or removed or what-have-you, though. It doesn't bother me and it has its benefits (for me.)

I don't think the surgeries look all that bad, really. Small, in a lot of cases, but not terrible. Maybe I'm easy to please.

Small, but sensetive.

Size doesn't really matter to me anyway.

Quote from: xAndrewx on August 21, 2011, 06:20:20 PM
I'd love to but I don't see being able to afford it since I really can't afford even top surgery.

That's how I feel right now, but most likely, once I have the money, I'll have a meta with urethral rerouting. No prosthetic testes, no vaginectomy. I don't care if I end up essentially making myself genitally intersexed--- I'm with a beautiful woman who kinda digs that anyway, and I never had any desire to have anything but my breasts removed. I'd like to have an oophorectomy, but that's because I figure I might as well get rid of what I can that might become cancerous. Can't stand the thought of a hysterectomy, particularly given the risk of prolapse.

I respect guys' decisions to do what they will with that area, but for me, I can't imagine going through all the pain of a phalloplasty, especially considering the scarring involved. If they figure out something better in future, I may reconsider.

Right now I'm thinking no. There are some great results I've seen but they don't happen with just one surgery and it takes a lot more time and healing than top surgery... not sure if I can go through all of that.

Plus, if I were to find the money and do it in the next 5 or 10 years, and ten years after that someone comes up with an even better method that saves nerve damage, I'd be really, really pissed.

Hahaha, like finally buying some fancy new technology and then they come out with something in the 5th dimension.


I do, however, plan on having my female organs removed to reduce risk of certain medical problems.... I might feel differently about further surgery once that's done.

If money weren't an issue, I would still be on the fence. I would not get phalloplasty because there's not really any point in having it if you can't feel what you're doing. I would consider a metoidplasty, but I would only do it if there was some guarantee of sensation. So, unless technology in this area advances significantly, I would probably lean towards no.

As for the inside bits, I definitely plan on getting them removed since it's covered by provincial health insurance (when I finally get to the front of the line)

Yes, as soon as possible.

Even if there will possibly be better/more options down the road, i can't wait that long.
I'd get srs tomorrow if i could.

Unless I can get something that looks like a regular biomales dick no. So technology must improve.

I'm pretty sure I'd like a meta one day. I'm ambivalent about the details because due to $$$ this would be so far off in the future that my opinion may change and surgery may advance a lot in that time. Who knows.

Surgery definitely seems super important to me, however with the options as they are I'm not sure I would ever go through with it. For me, I won't be able to be intimate with a person (wheee, no pants!) until what's down there is gone. Phallo isn't an option for me, but I can see myself going for a meta with hookup and implants later on in life. However, like many on here have said, I really really hope there are some better options by the time I have the money saved to actually do something about it.

I am one who had a full meta with vaginectomy, urethral hookup, and implants.  It looks like a small penis because it is a small penis.  I can pee through my fly, and I also have a bf (cis) who is fine with my junk.  Yes, it is small, but for me it beats having an oozing hole (which was a big part of my dysphoria).

I found that the further in transition I got, the more I needed things to be right.  And I have seen pics of some guys' phallos and they are amazing.  Phallo is not for me (timewise and moneywise; too many procedures over too long a period for me personally) but I can see the size appeal.

http://www.metoidioplasty.com/cases-followup/index.php (http://www.metoidioplasty.com/cases-followup/index.php) NSFW

There are more pics on Transbucket as well.


Jay

Quote from: Aussie Jay on August 21, 2011, 10:54:22 PM
Sharky - google perovic in serbia, there are also surgeons in Germany and other parts of the UK, even some good results in the US and Canada.. If you want the goods join yahoo groups - ftmmetoidioplasty, ftmphalloplastyinfo, ftmsurgeryinfo, The deciding line, mycenturionsurgery - all a wealth of knowledge, some great discussions on decisions, results and function and some awesome pics of results you wouldn't blink at mate...

Dr. Perovic passed away last year.  Two of his students are performing metoidioplasty and phalloplasty: Dr. Rados Djinovic and Dr. Miroslav Djordjevic.  I have not heard many stories or seen many result pics from guys who have gone to Dr. Rados for surgery.  There are a number of stories and photos of guys who have had meta with Dr. Miro and his team (myself included, surgery journal is here: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,102885.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,102885.0.html)).  All the resources that Aussie Jay mentioned are good ones, for both discussion and pics.

My reasons for having metoidioplasty are thus: I could no longer stand having the 3rd hole (it just messed with me psychologically, though kudos to the guys who have found a way to enjoy or make peace with it) and I didn't like the fact that my penis was held down by ligaments and obscured by excess skin.  I want to pee standing up without an STP (I'm still healing with a suprapubic catheter and can't use my urethra yet, but here's hoping all goes well).  I also really wanted balls.  I am OK with a small penis; I highly doubt I'll be capable of penetration, but I am OK with that compromise.  There are strap-on harnesses made for male anatomy (they have a pouch and are higher up so they won't 'squish' things), that are intended for men who want to wield a bigger size.

I've seen some nice phallos, aesthetic-wise, but I personally would be bothered by the fact that the penis skin was not originally genital skin; I want my body to be as scar-free as possible.  I also simply don't have the money or the time for multiple procedures.

About the link that Jay posted (metoidioplasty.com): Result 6 looks fantastic, but keep in mind that length is dependent on how much downstairs growth you have on T.  The surgeon's skill doesn't have much to do with how long you end up--he will do his best with what he has to work with.  Also, with meta, if you carry excess weight or have a fat mons, some (or all) of your length can be hidden in the fat (notice how some of those guys are pushing back on the skin around their penis?).  Liposuction and a mons resection can be done as revisions once the initial surgery has healed, but it is probably best to be as close to ideal body weight as possible.

Oh, and Jay: gratz on things working out with your BF :)

Yes.

No - I don't think I'll ever have the money for it

Yes, I am planning on getting meta, but I'm not sure if I would want the urethral hook ups right away. I have read on urethral lengthenings not going so smoothly for some guys so I would like to wait a bit longer to see if the surgery success rate heightens. It has mainly been problems later on like leakage or skin dying, so I would like to know if I would be a good candidate for it before hand but I doubt it's possible. And if I do get the urethral lengthening I would like to get prosthetic testicles and closing. But this will definitely be after top surgery.

Its interesting to look over some of those surgery results on the metoidioplasty.com. Some of the results are impressive and makes me wonder what I would end up with if I start at just marginally smaller than case 6 ended up at. Something to look forward to in the future I guess.

Medically I am going to have to have a hysterectomy within the next 5 years because uterine cancer runs in my family (and I'm already starting to develop cysts), but aside from that, I don't plan to have anything else other than have my vagina sealed up. I don't want any genital reconstruction surgery unless a better option presents itself.

Quote from: hexr on August 22, 2011, 02:39:45 AM
I would not get phalloplasty because there's not really any point in having it if you can't feel what you're doing.

some people don't get phalloplasties just for sexual pleasure you know...

sneakersjay, thanks for the link, this is a very interesting site and they have some great results.  I am thinking meta is for me, the results look so good and being able to stand to pee through your jeans without the need for a stp would be so nice.  I feeling is still there throughout all the parts which is what I want.  Having your frontal hole gone would feel so great, no guy has one of those.  I only use mine to hold tampons now and with a complete hyster everything would be gone. There are definite risks but the final results are so great that I thinkthey are worth the risk.

If nothing better's available by the time I'm ready for it, I'll be going with meto. Size isn't that much of an issue for me (as already mentioned, there's penis extenders for sex); I just want something that functions like the real thing, feels like the real thing and leaves minimum scarring. Plus there's the whole multiple procedures with phallo that just isn't practical for me.

Big reasons for me include wanting to lose the front hole (I'm better with it than I was, it's just a useless piece of flesh to me now :P ), and feeling more secure in certain situations where I currently pack. I just get the whole "that isn't right down there" vibe about it, so I definitely need something :-\

i am not planning on getting lower surgery (i think i'd be more than happy with a reelmagik or similar prosthetic) - but i want to disagree with people saying the results don't look right. The only pictures i've found on english sites so far were on transbucket and there weren't many, but i've seen dozens of results from european surgeons and they looked VERY natural. I personally wouldn't do it because my arm (or thigh) is more important to me than a penis. and because i don't want to put my body through such an ordeal. and i would hate to have to get the pump replaced every ten years or so. but i have seen results that were truly amazing, lookwise, and did look like regular bio men's dicks.

Quote from: mm on August 23, 2011, 12:11:14 PM
Having your frontal hole gone would feel so great, no guy has one of those.

So, you're not a guy then? 

Quote from: Andy8715 on August 23, 2011, 11:54:34 PM
So, you're not a guy then?

+1

I definitely want bottom surgery.  even if it's just with today's technology.  I just want a real penis badly.  Of course, since I'm not on T yet either, idk if my view will change once my body starts changing. 

I would, though, be really, really picky about who does my bottom surgery.  I would not settle for second best.  I have seen some bad results, and I think that would upset me as much as not having one at all does.

It is a huge decision to choose lower surgery.  You need to be able to balance what you want and need with available surgeries and surgeons.  And remember that there can be complications; for you the risks of that have to be worth the potential benefits.  This isn't for the feint of heart.

I consider myself lucky to have great results (for me; others might not like what I have), with minimal complications.  But it took a huge toll on my body for months afterwards.  It is a huge deal not to be taken lightly, that's for sure.

For me, a 2" penis is better than none, no hole is better than a hole.  At my age technology isn't going to change fast enough any way.

You really need to think long and hard about what you truly need to be happy, and be prepared for potential complications. They happen even with the best of surgeons.  But yeah, being anatomically correct, even though small, has been a huge boost to my self esteem.


Jay

Pre-T I thought I didn't need bottom surgery now that I am on T that has changed rapidly. I would do a metoidioplasty or centurion if I had the money and was already post top surgery.
While the results of bottom surgery are not the perfect scenario I refuse to say the results aren't "good". Devaluing someone's body because of my personal opinion is something I would never do. If you don't like the surgical options out there don't get surgery. Make sure you have educated yourself on what is available before making blanket statements about results. Trans men stating that bottom surgery results aren't good gives a lot of false impressions to the cis gendered population as well as uninformed trans men.

No. I love the growth I've had so far on T and it has increased my sexual pleasure a lot. I also don't want to risk losing sensitivity and experiencing complications arising from yet another operation (planning to get a hysto + top surgery).

Hell yeah. It is necessary, for me, or my dysphoria will become debilitating.

I'm not quite sure yet. I've seen some excellent results out there, but I'm still underage, so I've got quite a while to contemplate on this and I look forward to watching the technology grow in the years. I think when there are more advancements to be done with bottom surgery, so once them advancements are made, I'll probably take the thinking more seriously.

I am one who would definitely prefer/ benefit from surgery (due to my chosen sexual preference for males) I would have to wait until I can afford any sort of treatments (haven't gotten started on anything yet really, heck, i am still working on coming out..) I believe I'd probably just stick with a high end prosthetic until the technology improves to the point where I'd feel satisfied with what I can get... phallo sounds best to me, due to the size factor and sensations.. but the risks and scarring are sort of a scare for me...but if I went with that I'd get the implants and all my girl parts removed. I plan on working on some sort of savings plan to be able to work towards this all... but it may not happen for many more years sadly (for me)

i plan on getting bottom surgery. i've dreampt of having a penis my whole life. i feel completely out of place for not having one. and i dont care the cost, i'll save for it one way or another. i've had realistic dreams where i had one, and it was the best time of my life. i need a strapon just to even get off. i cant even have sex if i dont mentally block out the vagina between my legs and insert a mental image of a penis. my wife touching me does nothing unless i picture it with me having a penis. bottom surgery i believe will finally complete me. of course my top surgery is going to come first, but i will have a matching male body before i die. :) it's the way i was born to be.

Quote from: dmx on August 26, 2011, 01:04:13 AM
Hell yeah. It is necessary, for me, or my dysphoria will become debilitating.

this 100%