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Don't Let Your Kids Watch Chaz Bono On 'Dancing With the Stars'
By Dr. Keith Ablow

"Chaz Bono, the "transsexual" woman who underwent plastic surgery and takes male hormones in an effort to appear to be a man, and who asserts she is a man, will appear on the upcoming season of "Dancing with the Stars", according to ABC, the network which airs the show. He will be partnered with a woman.

Casting Chaz Bono on "Dancing with the Stars" is part of Chaz's victory tour, which has included appearances on talk shows and the release of a book called "Transition."

I advise parents to not allow their children to watch the episodes in which Chaz appears.

Here's why: Many of the children who might be watching will be establishing a sense of self which includes, of course, a sexual/gender identity. Some will be girls becoming comfortable with dramatic changes in their bodies. Some will be boys coming to terms with integrating the dawn of manhood with exquisite feelings of vulnerability. Young viewers will include tomboyish girls and sensitive, less stereotypically "masculine" boys. They will also include children who have sustained the losses of loved ones and are wrestling with depression, perhaps wondering who they are absent their deceased mothers or fathers.
The last thing vulnerable children and adolescents need, as they wrestle with the normal process of establishing their identities, is to watch a captive crowd in a studio audience applaud on cue for someone whose search for an identity culminated with the removal of her breasts, the injection of steroids and, perhaps one day soon, the fashioning of a make-shift phallus to replace her vagina..."


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/02/dont-let-your-kids-watch-chaz-bono-on-dancing-with-stars/ (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/02/dont-let-your-kids-watch-chaz-bono-on-dancing-with-stars/)


My personal favorite: "But Chaz Bono should not be applauded for asserting she is a man (and goes about trying to look like one) any more than a woman who believes she will be happier without arms, has them removed and then continues to assert that she was right all along—her self-concept was that of a double amputee. Now, all is well."

I actually am fond of my arms.

Haters gonna hate.

And this "doctor" could be anyone. Could be a chiropractor or a librarian with a Ph. D in some off-shoot sociology doctorate. Could even be a guy who found a labcoat in a dumpster and called himself a Doctor.

Edit:

Just Googled him. Forensic psychiatrist. Still. Just another hater. His research is clouded with bias just like any other individual researcher.

I don't think he is a fake doctor. I think he is a doctor and these are actually his beliefs.

He may be a real doctor but he most certainly is a bigoted one. Chaz Bono is all man. Always has been and always will be. Sadly, there will be many who will listen to this doctors misguided message.

MaryEllen

That's why I avoid watching Fox news. >:(

MaryEllen

Haters gonna hate.

He is a forensics psychologist. His head also reminds me of a penis. I blame his being bald. He would blame penis envy.

  There are a lot of shrinks like him, they are in the majority.  This is why we must find the ones that do transgender issues and has recommended patients to go through surgery.  A Tijuana transgender therapist version of Dr. Feelgood, of the type that took out Messrs Presley and Jackson are just as bad.
  I am not a fan of FOX nor CNN, I don't watch TV anymore so I am not really familiar with "Dancing with the Stars" either.  I hope that DwtS doesn't use Chaz as a 'shock factor' to bring in a larger audience.  I believe shows like this with a TG celeb may cause more misunderstanding of this condition.    I saw this in the past with Dr. Renee Richards in the 80's.
  When I first saw Christine Jorgenson in an interview as a preteen, I was already questioning myself.  Why did I want to be a girl?  I haven't heard of anybody else with this condition, except for the gays.  I sure didn't believe that I was a queer, so I had to suppress these feelings until a lot longer.   While we were watching this, I asked my mother if she was a queer.  She said that Christine was not one but was a boy at one time.  I came out to mom 14 years later. 
  Yes, there are teens and preteens that are very impressionable to their sex or sexuality out there, but suppressing this will cause problems to crop up later in these kids.  These kids will find another route to find this info, or worse, do awful experiments with their apparatus. 
  Joelene.

I would enjoy punching him in the mouth.

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on September 02, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
I would enjoy punching him in the mouth.

Take a number.

"Officer, I did not strike him, he fell repeatedly on my closed hand."

Quote from: Adele on September 02, 2011, 08:08:22 PM
Wait a second... A reactionary "expert" invited by Fox News to boost their audience's ungrounded fears with statements that any real expert in the field would immediately identify as the exact opposite of reality? Color me surprised.  ::)

Exactly.

There have been female impersonators and females playing the lead male parts in pantomime for ever. I really don't think there is any evidence of such people causing GID in the developing youth.

Rock bans in the 70-90s were often androgynous, I don't they triggered GID in the vulnerable youth.

Renee Richards did not lead a generation of 'boy' tennis players to become 'female' tennis players, as far as I am aware.

I'm pretty sure no one has 'caught' homosexuality from Gay and Lesbian people with high profiles (or even low profiles :laugh:) in the entertainment industry.

I have not noticed a rash of young vulnerable girls going out as males following Lady Gaga's MTV performance.

I have not noticed vulnerable young boys dressing as Ru Paul in his drag show.

Why would anyone even suggest this c**p.


It is an insult to people. I have to admit that I'm as keen to watch the program as I am getting my teeth pulled. I loath those sort of shows, but to suggest that a TG person is going to influence life styles is bizarre. 

Are we going to suggest that Michael Jackson's 'change' in pigmentation influenced people with dark colouration to change their skin colour?

Stupid, comments just pushed out to cause controversy and seek more viewers and at the same time insult people.

Cindy 

Quote from: Epi on September 02, 2011, 09:07:45 PM
Take a number.

"Officer, I did not strike him, he fell repeatedly on my closed hand."

LOL

Should we really have to spend energy to the opinions of this "doctor"
For someone who has spend half his life in the studybooks, his opinion doesn't sound very smart to me.

But, it's a good thing doctors like him are around, so we have something to laugh about once in a while



Annette

He's an idiot, and out of alignment with the established and credible psychological professional community. I dare say that he is now an entertainer and not a reliable professional.

Umm, read the whole Google page, you got the wrong doctor.  This guy is a real doctor, plus.  Top shelf pedigree.  He received his Doctor of Medicine degree from Johns Hopkins Medical School in 1987, and completed his psychiatry residency at the Tufts-New England Medical Center.

That being said, of course he's a douche, he's working for Fox.  I don't understand how you need to go any further than that.  And if you think their medical opinions are whack, check out their economic philosophy and foreign policy.

And I don't have any idea of what he means by exquisite feelings of vulnerability but it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I read it.

Oh my! * exquisite feelings of vulnerability *

I got those plenty of times with my idjet shrink, most exquisitely, and ending in crying like a baby. He also has most exquisite credentials...

Scary, all I need say,
Axelle

Hey, it's not only possible that one can get the best education and come to the wrong conclusions, but it's highly likely on a simple statistical basis.  We tend to confine those people to law, politics, and entertainment, so it's kinda weird to find people who've been trained on America's scientific side, but leave it to Fox to find him.

This is the same guy who tried to diagnose Bill Maher as "unhinged" and "sexist" for Maher's comments on Sarah Palin. I remember Maher did a bit on Ablow on Real Time, but I couldn't find it online. I do remember that it made me laugh.

"Would you not prefer that they try every available medication to impact mood, thought and perception  .......?"

O.o

Following that line of thought, let's just go back a few centuries and give everyone a lobotomy! If all questioning people lose half their brains and become a vegetable, then the children won't be corrupted. Hurray.

God, just quotations make my skin crawl. I would NOT want to meet this guy in person. No, actually, that's not true. I do want to meet him, and then give him a lobotomy. He seems confused.

[Also, 'impact' is not a verb. Technically, it's a noun, just a noun that is frequently used incorrectly.]

Quote from: Vincent  E.S. on September 04, 2011, 12:10:35 AM[Also, 'impact' is not a verb. Technically, it's a noun, just a noun that is frequently used incorrectly.]

Not any more. It has come into common usage. Resistance is futile...but I do still draw the line at "ice tea" and "irregardless." Wonder how long I'll be able to hold out.

I'd like to sneak into Ablow's house and paint his toenails pink. Tainted for life! He'll turn into a drag queen and adopt the stage name Olive A->-bleeped-<-b.

Quote from: Arch on September 04, 2011, 03:08:31 AM
Not any more. It has come into common usage. Resistance is futile...but I do still draw the line at "ice tea" and "irregardless." Wonder how long I'll be able to hold out.

I'd like to sneak into Ablow's house and paint his toenails pink. Tainted for life! He'll turn into a drag queen and adopt the stage name Olive A->-bleeped-<-b.

Is that your Borg Cube outside?  I also was not aware pink nail polish turned people into drag queens, I will try this later and report back on the results.

If "impact" isn't a word then someone better notify everyone engaging in impact play that there's no such thing.

Quote from: Arch on September 04, 2011, 03:08:31 AM
Not any more. It has come into common usage. Resistance is futile...but I do still draw the line at "ice tea" and "irregardless." Wonder how long I'll be able to hold out.

I'd like to sneak into Ablow's house and paint his toenails pink. Tainted for life! He'll turn into a drag queen and adopt the stage name Olive A->-bleeped-<-b.

Don't forget the pink feather boa ;)

I think he changed his name...it used to be Ablowhard.


Dancing with the Stars is on ABC. Fox "news" is on Fox.
IMO, average IQ on this forum far exceeds that of any of the "experts" Fox has fallen for so far.

Fallen so far?  Really?  That's their MO, always has been.  Rupert Murdoch made his name and money in sensationalism and exploitation.

QuoteFallen so far?  Really?  That's their MO, always has been.  Rupert Murdoch made his name and money in sensationalism and exploitation.

My point was more about belittling their experts, but of course they're not really innocent.
Otherwise it would be Goat network, not Fox.

Quote from: Epi on September 04, 2011, 04:11:35 AM
I also was not aware pink nail polish turned people into drag queens, I will try this later and report back on the results.

:P

Use strict laboratory protocol so we can shut this idiot down once and for all. Oh, wait, I forgot--he doesn't operate on logic and evidence. Just scaremongering.

By Ablow's logic, I suppose I'm trans because my mother DIDN'T paint my toenails pink when I was young.

So, we agree, the opinion of this doctor is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike

Quote from: annette on September 05, 2011, 04:52:26 PM
So, we agree, the opinion of this doctor is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike

More like a motorbike on an ashtray, but, yes.

Quote from: Arch on September 04, 2011, 03:08:31 AM
Not any more. It has come into common usage. Resistance is futile...but I do still draw the line at "ice tea" and "irregardless." Wonder how long I'll be able to hold out.

True, but I am determined to follow the ways of old proper grammar with none of that "omg lol" nonsense! ;D

Heh, I live in the south, so "ice tea" is what's served at every restaurant.
"Irregardless" just isn't a word. Even if it and "regardless" become like "inflammable" vs "flammable" I will not use it.

Quote from: Vincent  E.S. on September 05, 2011, 11:42:19 PM
True, but I am determined to follow the ways of old proper grammar with none of that "omg lol" nonsense! ;D

Heh, I live in the south, so "ice tea" is what's served at every restaurant.
"Irregardless" just isn't a word. Even if it and "regardless" become like "inflammable" vs "flammable" I will not use it.

Well, you...you...you SNOB!!!!!

So I guess we have established that that Ablow has real credentials but no expertise in trans affairs and no desire to educate himself. So maybe he's a real doctor but a fake expert.

Quote from: Arch on September 06, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
So I guess we have established that that Ablow has real credentials but no expertise in trans affairs and no desire to educate himself. So maybe he's a real doctor but a fake expert.

Sadly, the granting of an M.D. diploma doesn't come with an ignoramus lobectomy.

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on September 06, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
Sadly, the granting of an M.D. diploma doesn't come with an ignoramus lobectomy.

Any PhD!
  Joelene

I have a PhD. And I don't think I should have an ignoramus lobectomy, cries Cindy and she hides from lobectimising Mods :laugh:

I'll fool you all by being dumb, it seems to have worked so far :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

But seriously, I know and interact with many pathologists, many are very very bright, but they are not, nor do most claim, to be intelligent about everything. I would suggest that a forensic psychiatrists opinion about transgender topics is as relevant as their opinion on the NFL. That news stations trot these people out and present their credentials to influence lay society is misleading and borders on false advertising. Of course they get away with it because they never state that the person is just expressing a personal opinion in an area in that  they have no professional knowledge.

I do deal with news stations as part of my professional work. They want an opinion, they want it directed at the level of a bright 11 year old (yes folks that is the understanding level of the average audience watching the news), and they want it short and snappy. They are not bothered about accuracy, they have in built disclaimers. And of course they are reporting 'my' opinion. Television be it cable or whatever is about selling advertiser space, it is about making money through contracts, it is about  making money.

I'll stop before I rant ;D :o :laugh:

Cindy

 

Quote from: Synkronic on September 02, 2011, 07:40:31 PM


Just Googled him. Forensic psychiatrist. Still. Just another hater. His research is clouded with bias just like any other individual researcher.

So does that mean he is only qualified to give council to corpses, crime scenes and the people who do the forensic work? :P

  Sorry, Cindy!  :icon_bunch:  I've got a niece working on her PhD in the UK.  Forensic Psychologist!  :icon_chainsaw:  No Kidding!
  Joelene