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Title: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Sevan on September 12, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Post by: Sevan on September 12, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
*deep breath*
I am an androgyn when I'm dressed in "women's clothes"
I am an androgyn when I'm dressed in "men's clothes"
I am an androgyn when I'm naked.
I don't properly fit in the women's rest room, or the men's rest room.
Part of me fits in a gaggle of women.....but part of me never will.
Part of me fits in a group of men....but part of me doesn't get them at all.
I am an androgyn when I knit, and quilt.
I am an androgyn when I work with wood, and improve my homestead.
I am not an androgyn so I can have the "best of both worlds"
I am an androgyn who lives with both the pros, and the cons; of my gender identity and expression.
I am not an androgyn so I can confuse you, or f**k with your head.
I am an androgyn because it is my identity.
I am an androgyn because it is part of my core.
In fact...my identity has nothing to do with you....and everything to do with me.
I am an androgyn and I'm not confused about that. I'm not too scared to say I'm FtM. In fact...I'd rather it. I've TRIED to convince myself I'm fully male and it's just not the case. It's DAMN HARD to own my androgyn identity some days. The lack of understanding even within the trans community isn't easy. I'm not taking an easy road...because this *isn't easy*.
I am an androgyn and I was wired for a penis and a vagina....and it doesn't matter how much money I make, or how much I talk it over with my therapist...I will NEVER properly...have the configuration I was wired for.
I am an androgyn....and this journey to be my most core self...has left scars. But it's been worth it. Every step, every choice, every layer of this onion I've removed...it's been worth it.
I am an androgyn.
I am an androgyn when I'm dressed in "women's clothes"
I am an androgyn when I'm dressed in "men's clothes"
I am an androgyn when I'm naked.
I don't properly fit in the women's rest room, or the men's rest room.
Part of me fits in a gaggle of women.....but part of me never will.
Part of me fits in a group of men....but part of me doesn't get them at all.
I am an androgyn when I knit, and quilt.
I am an androgyn when I work with wood, and improve my homestead.
I am not an androgyn so I can have the "best of both worlds"
I am an androgyn who lives with both the pros, and the cons; of my gender identity and expression.
I am not an androgyn so I can confuse you, or f**k with your head.
I am an androgyn because it is my identity.
I am an androgyn because it is part of my core.
In fact...my identity has nothing to do with you....and everything to do with me.
I am an androgyn and I'm not confused about that. I'm not too scared to say I'm FtM. In fact...I'd rather it. I've TRIED to convince myself I'm fully male and it's just not the case. It's DAMN HARD to own my androgyn identity some days. The lack of understanding even within the trans community isn't easy. I'm not taking an easy road...because this *isn't easy*.
I am an androgyn and I was wired for a penis and a vagina....and it doesn't matter how much money I make, or how much I talk it over with my therapist...I will NEVER properly...have the configuration I was wired for.
I am an androgyn....and this journey to be my most core self...has left scars. But it's been worth it. Every step, every choice, every layer of this onion I've removed...it's been worth it.
I am an androgyn.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: mimpi on September 12, 2011, 10:49:05 AM
Post by: mimpi on September 12, 2011, 10:49:05 AM
Great post, love it :)
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Sevan on September 12, 2011, 11:02:26 AM
Post by: Sevan on September 12, 2011, 11:02:26 AM
Thank you mimpi :)
I also want to add....since there's been so much talk of clothes and "look" recently....While I would love to be *seen* as an androgyn...I can't pull it off. I don't "pass" as androgyn...as it were. When I wear clothes of my birth it can be uncomfortable for me. When I wear clothes of the opposite sex...it can be uncomfortable for me.
Not always...it was actually when I stopped thinking about my clothes in a gendered way...and saw them as *my clothes*...that I became comfortable (most the time) in them. I became comfortable walking around naked again...because even if I look like a female...I'm not. I'm an androgyn. This skin is androgyn skin.
That stuff is hard to remember sometimes...but it's still the truth.
I also want to add....since there's been so much talk of clothes and "look" recently....While I would love to be *seen* as an androgyn...I can't pull it off. I don't "pass" as androgyn...as it were. When I wear clothes of my birth it can be uncomfortable for me. When I wear clothes of the opposite sex...it can be uncomfortable for me.
Not always...it was actually when I stopped thinking about my clothes in a gendered way...and saw them as *my clothes*...that I became comfortable (most the time) in them. I became comfortable walking around naked again...because even if I look like a female...I'm not. I'm an androgyn. This skin is androgyn skin.
That stuff is hard to remember sometimes...but it's still the truth.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: mimpi on September 12, 2011, 11:36:26 AM
Post by: mimpi on September 12, 2011, 11:36:26 AM
Sorry for the "clothes thread" if it upset you, Sevan. It was intended to be light hearted, humorous and self deprecatory.
In all honesty clothes mean very little to me, if I were to wake up tomorrow as the most beautiful man, woman, intersex or androgyne in the world I'd still dress in jeans and t-shirts.
Sincere apologies for any offence caused :)
In all honesty clothes mean very little to me, if I were to wake up tomorrow as the most beautiful man, woman, intersex or androgyne in the world I'd still dress in jeans and t-shirts.
Sincere apologies for any offence caused :)
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 12, 2011, 11:38:19 AM
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 12, 2011, 11:38:19 AM
Thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: foosnark on September 12, 2011, 11:52:55 AM
Post by: foosnark on September 12, 2011, 11:52:55 AM
::applause::
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: ativan on September 12, 2011, 01:26:35 PM
Post by: ativan on September 12, 2011, 01:26:35 PM
Indeed! Very much so.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Pica Pica on September 12, 2011, 02:26:17 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on September 12, 2011, 02:26:17 PM
Missed a few 'e's off ;) but cool post.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Sevan on September 12, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Post by: Sevan on September 12, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
No offense taken in your thread about clothes...or anyone elses clothing thread. It just feels like...many see androgyne identity as no more than clothes.
On another site I'm part of someone got heated with me (because ya know...I don't exists. Clearly I should realize that...) and asked where the androgyn section of the clothing store was. (among many other thoughts she threw my way....) and I just...well I've got kinda thin skin and it stuck with me.
Pica: I know. I knew someone would see that...but I've always spelled it that way and it looks wrong to me to spell it with the extra 'e" on the end. Especially as I don't pronounce it that way either. :)
On another site I'm part of someone got heated with me (because ya know...I don't exists. Clearly I should realize that...) and asked where the androgyn section of the clothing store was. (among many other thoughts she threw my way....) and I just...well I've got kinda thin skin and it stuck with me.
Pica: I know. I knew someone would see that...but I've always spelled it that way and it looks wrong to me to spell it with the extra 'e" on the end. Especially as I don't pronounce it that way either. :)
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Pica Pica on September 12, 2011, 02:48:06 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on September 12, 2011, 02:48:06 PM
Of course the androgyne part of the clothing store is any part beyond the front door.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Jaden.D on September 12, 2011, 03:05:07 PM
Post by: Jaden.D on September 12, 2011, 03:05:07 PM
I love this so much, Sevan. Thank you for sharing. It is very timely, for me.
Awesome.
QuoteOf course the androgyne part of the clothing store is any part beyond the front door.
Awesome.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: ativan on September 12, 2011, 04:23:04 PM
Post by: ativan on September 12, 2011, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: Sevan on September 12, 2011, 02:44:24 PMAndrogyn/Androgyne
I know. I knew someone would see that...but I've always spelled it that way and it looks wrong to me to spell it with the extra 'e" on the end. Especially as I don't pronounce it that way either. :)
Androgyn
Ativan
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 13, 2011, 07:27:09 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 13, 2011, 07:27:09 PM
Uh oh. How would Batman have to dress if his manliness was less manly? I think the cape works, but the boots and belt need changing. I guess he can't help that his muscles are overtly masculine, though.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: foosnark on September 14, 2011, 07:12:22 AM
Post by: foosnark on September 14, 2011, 07:12:22 AM
Maybe they should call themselves Batperson then.
I wonder if a nice fabric sash would still have the same... utility? Spidersilk maybe, with little pockets in the front and back to store equipment.
I wonder if a nice fabric sash would still have the same... utility? Spidersilk maybe, with little pockets in the front and back to store equipment.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Julian on September 14, 2011, 10:55:35 AM
Post by: Julian on September 14, 2011, 10:55:35 AM
Thank you for this thread. It comes at a very good time for me. I've been having a lot of body anxiety lately and just reading this has made me feel more at peace. I'm me, through and through, and nothing will change that.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 27, 2011, 02:04:17 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 27, 2011, 02:04:17 PM
All we need is love.
and understanding
and food
and understanding
and food
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Pica Pica on September 27, 2011, 02:05:23 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on September 27, 2011, 02:05:23 PM
Quote from: Rebis on September 27, 2011, 02:04:17 PM
All we need is love.
and understanding
and food
And the greatest of these is food.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 27, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on September 27, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
The greatest price of these is for the food too
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: sparticl3 on September 27, 2011, 04:39:31 PM
Post by: sparticl3 on September 27, 2011, 04:39:31 PM
"I am not an androgyn so I can have the "best of both worlds"
Love this!
that is always what I get no matter if it has to do with sexuality or gender identity
people in the gay community call me greedy or say i should "make up my mind"
my mind is made up! I am not a boy I am not girl and I do not love people for their
skin but for what is in their core
Love this!
that is always what I get no matter if it has to do with sexuality or gender identity
people in the gay community call me greedy or say i should "make up my mind"
my mind is made up! I am not a boy I am not girl and I do not love people for their
skin but for what is in their core
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Eva Marie on September 27, 2011, 05:40:47 PM
Post by: Eva Marie on September 27, 2011, 05:40:47 PM
Quote from: Rebis on September 27, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
The greatest price of these is for the food too
Buying love is more expensive than food, especially if you buy it by the hour.
Title: Re: I am an Androgyne
Post by: Shana A on September 27, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
Post by: Shana A on September 27, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: riven1 on September 27, 2011, 05:40:47 PM
Buying love is more expensive than food, especially if you buy it by the hour.
One can spend a lot on food in an hour :laugh:
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